Makes donald trump look like hes still the outsider still battling the swamp inside of washington d. C. And i think after 2 years of the mother report the mother investigation and 30000000. 00 plus i think a lot of americans are just tired at this point its a lot of fatigue and theres been a lot of false alarms you know you can only be kind of the boy who cried wolf so many times and thats the way the democrats i think have been coming across as of late but surely youre not saying that joe biden as it was warren. Is bad is the spectacular catastrophic candidate of clinton last time around. It is hard to imagine a worse candidate than than Hillary Clinton was last time around but you know by the same token trump actually has a record to run on at this point and hes going to have some accomplishments in the. Of recalcitrant house of representatives so you know democrats who are just reading the happy polls would be really repeating the same mistakes is 2016 where the polls for whatever reason i dont think quite reflect Donald Trumps true strength you know when. Trump and his voters are vilified mercilessly it has the effect of silencing in stifling public support for him but a lot of people get their revenge i think on election day and i think thats the danger that still faces the democrats this time around as well well the 2016 d. N. C. Boss was Debbie Wasserman schultz shes running in 2020 of course julian is songe of wiki leaks imprisoned here and in this studio told this program told me about the some pretty pretty bad allegations against her it back when the 26 didnt see the election was going on what do you make of a run in 2020 and could you or someone else be terror in florida we may have beaten her in the past and thats the ironic thing our internal numbers showed us defeating her pretty handily in 2016 we did not. Really believe the Election Results and a lot of experts who studied the data said they were implausible so i requested to inspect the paper ballots i was forced to bring a lawsuit and while the lawsuit was pending the supervisor of elections of Broward County simply destroyed all the ballots these are felonies under state and federal law and were still hoping that theres going to be a real investigation and prosecution into this the evidence was incontrovertibly the supervisor of elections actually admitted to the ballot destruction in sworn videotaped depositions and the Florida Circuit Court granted me Summary Judgment in our in our inspection case granted us attorneys fees. And while a lot of democrats maybe feel happier to blame it all on russia and foreign actors the truth is these electronic Voting Machines are inherently vulnerable and i think thats why theres so much support growing to reform the system setosa gabbert one of the president ial candidates has a good bill. That would require paper ballots at least for backups i believe in open Source Software on the electronic Voting Machines and even President Trump has called for paper ballots as of late Wasserman Schultz is still being propped up here by some very wealthy corporate interests. Excuse me she is raised an awful lot of money from this corporate interests we get folks who want to run against her all the time but really we need to have some transparent and verifiable elections i think before anyone can defeat an incumbent whos as crooked as Debbie Wassermann schultz tell me about the ballot box bunning because far from being on the back foot reports sent in the miami herald saying actually wasnt sure is already trying to lead the House Appropriations committee for 2020. I saw that you know the Corporate Media i think is very much bought off by Wasserman Schultz that got very cozy relations and theyre doing all they can to rehabilitate her its hard to imagine the democrats actually making her the chair of the Appropriations Committee and giving her that kind of a visibly public role but this party is capable of all kinds of mistakes as weve seen in the past. She hasnt shes been on the Appropriations Committee and has not really delivered very much to south florida for all of her time in congress and on the Appropriations Committee but on the ballot box burning to be clear a judge ruled that ballot boxes were destroyed and this is linked to someone called brenda snipes can you just explain a little bit about the use brenda snipes was the supervisor of elections of Broward County and like i said after the 2016 primary i put in a public records request to inspect all of the paper ballots she stonewalled our request for i believe 7 months before i finally filed a lawsuit and it was quite shocking you know im a law professor and very much believe in the rule of law we were 3 months into our public records lawsuit against brenda snipes and we had served her with a discovery request to inspect the paper ballots when she suddenly just destroyed the ballots signed the destruction order and. Did not reveal actually concealed the destruction from the court and for me in my lawyers for more than 2 months she was seen openly campaigning with Debbie Wassermann schultz as well so its a very crooked situation here snipes was permitted to retire and shes on 130000 dollar year pension now so you know when you have this kind of lawbreaking this kind of ballot destruction with impunity covering up a very likely rigged electronic software. And it happens without any consequences it just obviously that creates a moral hazard and it encourages this kind of rigging in the future were calling on governor runs a sentence to have his department of Law Enforcement to investigate and to prosecute and were also calling on the Justice Department to do the same these are serious. Violations of federal and state statutes and we should have no patience for it well despite the judges ruling obviously brenda snipes to learn whats been chills denies any wrongdoing whatsoever is the reason that youll not running in Broward County in 2020 because you understand how powerful was the minstrels is with the media julian isnt just told me that she was able to just cold stop more the morning joe t. V. Program and tell them to stop being too pro Bernie Sanders in the democrat primaries last time around and call up chuck todd on meet the press and i mean what is the power of the media power of Debbie Wasserman schultz when it comes to the democratic primaries let alone anything else in your democracy when well id hesitate to even call it a democracy at this point and im a patriotic american and im very troubled by what we see there are 6 giant media conglomerates that now control 90 percent of the broadcast t. V. Radio and. And media in this country so a corporate dominated media like that its not surprising they would be supportive of Wasserman Schultz and while she has all of this media power i still believe she cannot cannot win an honest election on the ground people in her district are very tired of her and they want change weve got good reason to believe we defeated her once and maybe a 2nd time in 2018 its just such a very rigged system and yes. Its a turf folks like me from jumping in and running again so right now im chairing a group called progress for all will be holding a major. Hearing on Election Security on december 5th and were flying in election commissioners from around the country and computer programmers and Software Experts its a kind of hearing that congress should be holding right now quite frankly instead of you know more of the impeachment doubling down on on trying to drive donald trump from office and its very much a pipe dream i believe i know if you had to run you said youd run as an independent but if the d. N. C. Doesnt noble the primaries this time around for the candidate that will face chomp in 2020 do you think trump would be frightened of a discount it is a do you think hed be frightened much more frightened of a tools the gabby would candidacy i do think chelsea gabbert is the one candidate in the democratic field who could defeat donald trump. You know shes a young woman a veteran very articulate offers. Real change in her orientation towards Foreign Policy for instance and while she has opposed donald trump and sometimes quite harshly she hasnt done it in a way that i think would turn oh turn off a lot of trump voters independent voters. And even democrats who may have strayed to trump in the past where is Bernie Sanders has run a somewhat more negative campaign i believe than he did in 2016. By calling donald trump incessantly a racist and a massage an ist and the most corrupt politician ever it has a way of. Vilifying him of deterring any kind of real discussion open discussion about trumps actual policies and i think it is its kind of akin to Hillary Clinton calling his voters deplorable i think hes much stronger when he hes more positive and tries to be a unifying figure and i do think towsley gabbert has done a good job of that although within the Democratic Party obviously theyre very powerful forces that are stacked against her jim get over thank you. Thank you after the break peace talks on the noble humanitarian crisis in the worlds newest nation but how come south sudan as most of the oil of what was once a united said and we also the u. N. About the country create jobs through the lobbying of london and George Clooney all the small coming up but to have going underground. To. Join me every thursday on the alex simon short and ill be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Young elephants have come to us soft. Especially brutal bulging incidence because sadly the baby elephants often do see their mother as the need be killed but also be cut off and. I do believe the elephant smiled i see its a nice little once the home patient expression changes. The. Little. Welcome back today marks the Un International day for the elimination of violence against women one country in the un sites in south sudan its the worlds youngest country and coincidentally an oil rich creation once threatened with u. S. Sanctions by democratic president Barack Obama Joining me now via skype from south sudans capital juba is the u. N. Special representative to south sudan david chair david welcome to going underground today is the u. N. International day for the elimination of violence against women what particular challenges do you face of u. N. Special representative for south sudan well obviously theres been an ongoing civil conflict here for a long time and unfortunately the people who are bearing a lot of the brunt of that conflict are civilians and most particularly women so one of the big problems and one of the challenges that we face is obviously ending the violence but more importantly ending the violence against women. Its a its an unfortunate and really tragic aspect of what happens here were making some progress at the moment theres a cease fire in place which shares brought the conflict levels down so theres a lot less than they were say a year ago and the and the Peace Process ongoing as well although at the moment thats running to a little bit of problems and where were concerned that if the Peace Process doesnt remain on track there could well be you know a breakdown in the in the Peace Process altogether well lets get on to those talks in a 2nd but just to get the scale of the problems facing south sudan i mean from your experience the un m a s s human rights report claimed 56000 civilians feed their homes 20000 cars and uganda and see that through april 29th team the food negra Culture Organization are claiming a 700000 ton food deficit gap and these reports credible for what you are seeing on the ground 00. Absolutely i mean that at the moment theres more than 2000000 people who have fled the country itself self self to neighboring countries as refugees and theres about 1400000 people inside a cell sudan that have fled their homes and displaced thats about a 3rd of the 12000000 population of done so that has come about as a direct result of the fighting some in houses have been burnt women have been raped people are seeing killed and so people have just packed up and left but the question is whether that peace Peace Process will so we appear to be talking about a scale of i dont know the Syrian Civil War what exactly is south sudan because critics are claiming its a political creation of britain the usa and norway they handed over power to unrepresentative a k 47. 00 toting militias i mean this is what you are seem to be talking about it seems to be worse than it was when omar bashir was in in khartoum and it was the united through her well i wouldnt you know i wouldnt go so far as that but i do i would but i will say is that the south sudan is the youngest country in the United Nations and it only came into existence officially in 2011 it broke away its 4th for a 40 year pretty much a 40 year fight for selfdetermination and ultimately independence during that time and then and finally got its independence with a National Referendum reframed of that people voted overwhelmingly for separation and the creation of a of of a new state and. Separate from sudan and south sudan as large the effort. As opposed to the north which is more more muslim air so the south is more predominantly african in christian and and they very much have a feeling of. Of there are one country unfortunately not long after they after their independence they break down with then some of the structural problems with a Society Political but also tribal brought about the civil war and spain its been the civil war that has been predominant since 2011 for the last 8 years and yet this is a Multiethnic Society obviously it has 75 percent of the former united. So Oil Resources do you really believe that 99 percent of the people voted for this independence in south sudan today looking at all the violence the mill nutrition the violence against women and so forth do you believe that figure now looking back i certainly i cant get out of the figures i was i wasnt here but i think. The they did the consensus at the time and certainly people that ive spoken to here saw themselves very much as an independent as people as people who wanted to split away from the old sudan end and create their own country their feeling very much was here that they were discriminated against by the arab north and they were and to the point were after fighting a 40 year civil war they they they have won their independence unfortunately as i say the the the i guess the structure of structural problem within the country that the various tribes that were competing against each other mean that they collapse into one or its a really said and dykeman the oil money of course is important its going to be important in the future but most people dont see very much of that oil money most people are subsistence farmers or cultural as or cattle farmers and they in a sense just get on with their own lives and those. People that many ways were here to serve their the u. N. Claims the traffic gore of the Multinational OilCompany Singapore and switzerland based unregistered the u. N. Claims that they paid 400000000. 00 to president salva kiir between 20172018 how do you get to terms with the corruption the alleged corruption in south sudan visa via your duties as special representative where the oil is in the north and the north of the country it was sort of like the seams fear of the old sudan so the oil of the front line if you like with the boundary the border between south sudan and sudan now runs through the middle of those oil fields south sudan uses a sudanese pipeline which it rinse and pays for each barrel of oil through it pays money to the Sudanese Government in order for that oil to be pumped out and at the red sea in port sudan so it is in a funny way that although they. Have been in conflict with each other the 2 countries they are now face and theyre both reliant on each other for what they are for their. For their economy in terms of the corruption yes theres corruption that i mean Transparency International rights south sudan has been the 2nd most corrupt country and in the world. Our role here is very much and in terms of the conflict some of it domestic saying that its precisely that Oil Infrastructure the alliance with sudan proper as it were and that could mean peace because both have to turn into dont depend on each other but where is the money coming from the guns one swiss n. G. O. Is hedging that money from oil is being put into guns again traffic which denies all of their. They say. This ngo is claiming connections between arms of the us sanction oil trader these kinds of deals theyre all in violation of the un brokered 2015 Peace Agreement how have they been carrying on like this well im obviously there will money flows to the government and the government here has a budget it puts budget figures eery year but a proportion of that is is is for the for its military an obviously the purchase of weapons now there is a the the un has or the Un Security Council as impose an arms embargo so officially it is illegal to bring arms into the into south sudan but there are enough weapons here already. To ensure that this conflict can go on for a long time and even you know ordinary young men who look after cattle cattle keepers as cattle is only source of wealth at the communal level for a large proportion of the population i mean they carry a k 47. You know as a matter of course and bridewell through you know in order to get married you need an x. That you know x. Number of cattle a lot had to be to be able to have that were doing that and that has been in the past sort of for were with spears and then theres a simple its now the Going Forward with machine guns and someone to supplying these guns no doubt would have you make of secretary of state mike pompei o because when it came to south sudan as i said 75 percent of the former united on the oil money is there its creation was lobbied for by britain and George Clooney my compared to either of the usa in terms on reevaluating its relationship with south sudan did did the United States state department consult you before making that statement. Now n n n n n it doesnt mean the United States like any country makes its own decisions. We obviously we speak to all the various Member States both here with through their own besa does but when i go to new york and i brief the Security Council i generally go around and talk to them one by 3 obviously the u. S. The u. K. Russia china france except from you know trying to the rounds of pretty much everybody. So i mean what my role is here is the is there provide them with the best information they possibly can get is also to suggest ways to in which you know the Security Council or bimah states can you know can can move what they ask me i mean what do you think what should what should we should we dont know but ultimately the decision on where countries what countries say what they do was very much up to the countries themselves just finally i know there are quite a few 5 star hotels breaking up in chub or what about the dangers of it becoming a proxy for superpowers president care earlier this month he was applauding the Chinese Communist party at jubas largest hospital having a putins russia signing Geological Survey agreement is this a battle between on the one side the world bank the i. M. F. Britain the u. S. And china on the other because can china save south sudan where might bump in the trump of ministration card when it comes to Food Security and issues of violence against women i dont think its. A real strategic battleground and that regard i mean experts interesting i think over the last few weeks is in the Security Council came out here about 3 weeks ago 4 weeks ago to visit south sudan collectively all 15. Beamers on south sudan they remain relatively unified in wanting to try and push taste some other countries have got Oil Interests india china malaysia others have well interests here i mean its not any different i dont think from from probably any other country and the donor countries that the United States the European Countries except are. Pouring an enormous amount of money in here to support the Health Service id 90 percent of the Health Facilities here are supported by n. G. O. S that are that are funded by by by donors so it wasnt for the food that the agriculture the the education and the Health Services funding from outside and in the in the order of hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars. In the south sudanese population would be in a very very. Tragic state here and special representative thank you thank you very much thats it for the show will be back on wednesday when the Southern African nation from namibia goes to the polls the 1st in 314 when its incumbent president 1007 percent of the vote answered when he takes effectively proposed 2 of his ministers until then he would have to have social media dont forget to subscribe to going underground. And there is only johnson. And i just got out of prison for. 41 years. Im 73 years old now i got arrested for tomorrow for some i. Feel like just everything was taken out of. My work in the hospital but it was. Meant to snow man that looks a little bit like me. About. Homicide want to come. Now. 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