Joining you in an hours time to bring you the latest. Hello and welcome to cross talk were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle those who consume Corporate Media will believe the Bolivian Army rightfully overthrew the democratically elected president of bolivia the word coup is not mentioned but this is exactly what happened the tried and tested Color Revolution playbook was on display for anyone paying attention democracy is in retreat. Joined by my guest bubble no doubt the in london he is a jerk. Alyson documentary filmmaker as well as coeditor of dot net an independent voice on latin american politics culture and media in washington we have what. She is an associate professor at the shar school of policy and government at George Mason University and in santiago we crossed to Francisco Cohen he is a political analyst as well as a former u. N. Officer in asia and africa or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it but i will let me go to you 1st in london i peruse the American Media landscape about the events that happened in bolivia the coup i will use the word but they wont a. B. C. News morales resigned simply c. B. S. News because of weist widespread protests the New York Times said because of an infuriated pop population fox news said people were angry over Election Fraud none has been shown to date and the miami herald well said that it was what was overthrown was a full blown dictatorship whats the Media Coverage in the u. K. I bet its similar. Very much so i mean i think the british media and this this includes from the riots the socalled Progressive Left have been very much on the playing the fact that its the coup that was taken place in bolivia they talk of a power vacuum they talk of resignation but they dont really use the word coup and i think this is not surprising for anyone thats been looking at the media the british medias reporting on thats in america and especially on the left and lots of america very much echoes the u. S. Media which again very much caus there seems to be a correlation between the degree to which a country is an official enemy of the u. S. And the degree to which they were saved hostile reporting from the u. S. And u. K. Media what a low pay this is remarkably similar to what we saw in you goes in serbia yugoslavia what we saw in ukraine in 2014 and now were seeing it in bolivia this is this. Color revolution playbook its remarkably similar in each one of these cases here you have these fake n. G. O. S fake social. Social groups that are supported by foreign money training and of course we have the military that all of latin americas military is trained in the United States so theres so many different avenues to go after a government and bolivias was open to it i want to talk about maybe why im where i was didnt have more fire walls because theyve been doing it to venezuela for a while now theyve been able to push back he wasnt go ahead but a look. Absolutely i mean that the democratic car the war or the or fights for them ocracy its just like its faking with really its really happening. The Mexican Government recognized these. In this event i mean this event is a coup and theyre financially we could see how the elites prepare the thing to happen but in reality this is i mean this was not this was not arrested nation from the press and when the military for us this is a president they mean retire i mean takes out its support if you know it doesnt leave any space and mexico was very i mean the mexican president the mexican minister of Foreign Affairs was very straightforward this is a coup and thats why we are we are assigning political asylum to the believe in president ever more dallas definitely this is the result of socalled Color Revolution or a revolution for the most of that turning into a quit at that and theres no question about that and of course the media is covering it correctly you know france is going to talk about some of the opposition leaders here i think if the truth were known about their ideology and their own world view people would be and should be shocked but nobodys ever told about neo fascist ideas and times to these types of groups in the past i mean its all out there if you want to know but the media wont report it francisco talk about. Well fascism its a word that explodes very much use you know the american political some and i mean the people are afraid i mean even the left is pretty sure hes afraid of the use of the word fascism because you know it to no 10 tribes would be a very aggressive definition of the political moment but basically what the u. S. Sees doing going to. Germany and premises in that region is to apply to use force in the region. Structurally speaking to fix it fascist Country Coach i mean this is. A loss for the singers i mean. Its a very very. Recent example and you believe the same thing i mean. Was there. You know there was a kind of a. Cover up of sort of say very shoe humane. What are you trying to say or what country has made a very strong progress in eradicating races but it wasnt the case i mean racism expression. Is person in disco again when i was you know pablo it lets go back to london i mean if you look at the stats of the time that this was in power i mean any politician would be very gratified about that a legacy dealing with poverty dealing with the literacy its really quite extraordinary some of the things that he did now my viewers know very well i am a conservative and i am not a supporter of socialism however i am a supporter of success and im a supporter of democracy and this is what people voted for and given given the logic that the last election was unfair then why dont you just let him finish his term ok and where is the evidence there was fraud theres none been presented to the public that im aware of go ahead in london. I think the most robust exploration of the publicly available electoral figures by the c. E. The think tank in washington a show thats absolutely no evidence of fraud no i think what i just made a mistake inviting the amp to bolivia the oas has completely discredited any any type little legitimacy it had on the loose ive become an open supporter of the far right and the regime change operations in that most notably in venezuela and really this is not about whether a government does well in terms of Socio Economic indicators macroeconomic indicators believe it did very well but its not really about that its about any government that tries to reassert a degree of sovereignty over its Economic Policy over its political Decision Making that tries to incorporate previously marginalized sectors into the political process will come up against the u. S. Governments interest and its local allies this is happened remember francisco is in chile the birthplace of neo liberal capitalism where supposedly they came through by force and we talk about fascism the pinochet dictatorship the degree to which theyve policies torture huge gross Human Rights Violations this is the model which is hedge of money it was born in chile in 1973 its what people in chile today are trying to change and have theres a mass uprising which is being brutally repressed of course the oas and the u. S. Government dont have any qualms with going along with the right wing pineta government in bolivia they will they will come up with all manner of excuses to justify these atrocity thats taken place what a little bit can you just briefly tell our viewers what outside forces were involved in this illegal coup overthrowing a democratically elected government go ahead in d. C. If this very interesting because i cood like that one that we cannot take place if you dont have supporters and their finitely the organization of american states show and. Were talking about. Some involvement of the International Community led by possibly the United States. And the recognition of the no self declared president of of bolivia receiving support and the recognition that that that that elections can take place without a levy and electing this person as a president and the problem is that. When you recognize when when the United States recognize a government that was not elected and does not recognize. It you know it justifies the these this takeover of government so there finitely here there are players that are you know very well recognized that are supporting the of. Of a country that has over 40 percent of the total or resource of libya and you know what and Natural Resources that we need to take into account you know francisco can you talk about there i mean you know 1st of all i think its ideological and i think problem sort of really well any government that wants to be do maintain its sovereignty and be able to determine its destiny is always a target to be used tactics here but there is an economic angle to this here and the bolivian government was beginning to work closely with countries like china is this a Tipping Point where you say this is that when they make this move because this has been planned for a long time theyre doing it with venezuela theyre doing it with nicaragua. It is the timing of this a coincidence i dont know what im just asking you go ahead well. Interim. Burner. Cuba of course. America rebounder me. Been through can become one and i mean they the regarding the rebirth of socialists in the region pink time for you and. The rebirth of total me or independence in that sense i mean i meet the American Foreign policy are you starting against the cyclone in a policy towards the region or so for america i mean this. And they feel that they have to take care of the solvent image here. In the. Most irresponsible i mean europe. Japan asia the usa atlantic and the pacific i mean in terms of the cold and go on to so. This is a standard policy in American Foreign policy to control and now theyve lost the tool they lost to the new guy rob ford the last of the cubans well if you go to argentinas never sure its going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on bolivia stay with r. T. China wants to trade russia wants to trade trump wants to trade the enemies of. The war as they love war this seems like the opposition parties in america are the. Time after time called her ration to repeat the same mantra sustainability. Transitions to sustainable transport sustainability remand a more equitable and sustainable. They claim their production is completely hominis. Its a complex number of. Companies want us to feel good about products while the damage is being done far away this is Something Else this must be done to anyone and i mean. This is the move in unison we didnt dream and im stunned seemed on the on disk in the woods who. You know world of big partners to do things. And conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. And shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Welcome back to crossfire where are all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing bolivia. Ok lets go back to london with my question i will date myself unfortunately but i remember very well i was a young man very young i been in been politically active for a long time aware of politics but i remember the military dictatorships ok in south america and how the u. S. Would say give the people the voice bring democracy to the region it will bring. Asperity eccentric cedric well now weve had democracy for for 2 generations and shocks people vote the wrong way its amazing the evolution of the of the democratic idea for the western hemisphere because when people vote the wrong way they get punished go ahead in london absolutely i mean with the famous quote by nixon i believe will kissinger that was when the chilean voted in again the in 1970 was which we wont let the irresponsibility of the chilean people get you know we wont let that get in the way of what we want so its only now as i think youre also said that he would make the economy how all i think it was a term you know scream scream he said and you know and these are kind of recipes that the u. S. Government has for an acting regime change weve seen that with the sanctions in venezuela but just quickly going back to the issue of lithium i mean i think again to make an interesting comparison between chile the number one current world producer in lithium where the pineta government effectively hands over lithium production to western multinationals with no value added in chile in bolivia the the that modellers government was attempting to create an industry where value was added within the country as we know it said the lithium is the fuel of the of the future essential for electric cars and it was a very complicated process because of partly because of the type of scenery there is in bolivia and western companies had been unable to accept that the moms that the more i was government had put on the on coming into partnerships with with the government and the government had turned to Chinese Companies and then also i think also this is a very interesting part of the of this story which is the degree to which this new cold war between china and the u. S. How things are playing out in bolivia that might have affected the decision to sort of up the ante in terms of getting rid of my list by the u. S. Government what a little bit you know we could use the venezuela. Example is that another allowing the venezuelan government the fruits of its own exports i mean you have the u. S. Government taking over Venezuelan Companies and they get the cash not for the government so it looks like this is also a tried and tested pattern not allowing these countries to profit from their own Natural Resources in masing go ahead. Exactly and again this is this is this is enough for us to pair with the elites of a country there for your question who is behind this economic interests that are connected to foreign governments not what eilis was able to provide for its people to get the highest rates of growth in the whole continent and a great distribution of resources for for the people in bolivia and unfortunately now as in the case of venezuela venice what on colombia had a history where the elites were connected to the military and were connected to foreign powers so they can profit from the sun and resources they didnt get to the to the people when leftwing governments were governments and were more connected to the people arrived that generated a lot of unrest from the elites but now the elites are able to i mean to pair with with foreign governments with Foreign Companies this is going to go back to what. They history a country like libya where their resources and go to the people you know francisco what happens next to the bolivian people i mean what i was was obviously a popular figure i mean even his detractors cannot deny that ok even if they want to call him a dictator he was the people supported him here what is going to happen to these people now because up until the his leaving office for mexico there were there were his party there were officials in his party that were there the houses were being victims of arsonists remember individuals that were tortured publicly i mean this is to some of them information ive gleaned from sources like the gray zone which i encourage our viewers to look at. Which we highlighted in this program before whats going to happen to the people who are going to be a retribution is theres going to be some kind of lustration i mean it was moraless government to me is going to be completely cleaned out go ahead and santiago. Well i think its more of a quick departure or spectacle it because he will threaten to do were going to be killed i particularly are fairly narrow and other going to be very hard i mean to put pressure on the games come when its unplugged their. First one but if they show will grow. The country will get very fermented politically speaking on most couldnt return terms because there will be in the event the indians or the Indigenous People you could marry the u. S. People get married you know lives completely from the benefits i mean its going to be a rats. Against those measures so theyre going to these months will socialist policies whatever socially is where functioning there in terms of distribution of resources so i think would be not cales but the press which is your point the press the western press when. And they believe in pretty good i think we have to do to go for ringback programs at your school board press and to get it and to dig into these iceberg which is not the iceberg to the really good metaphor because well weve seen a very hard country but is it going to be a sick day or of faking you know of law is there going to be you know what i call it project cart against the leftists in bolivia definitely and this is marian policy particularly from those boxes which trying to recall the very quickly aging one in the region is that the basic point in the region stop allowing certain states is fabulous and any regime against you say pretty much c. Or germany. Which is pretty bad because you know if you read stephen wards youre if John Mayer Sharman x. And if you go to scientists i mean. Craig parr no american tennis she is making complimentary yeah well very good i mean you know all 8 all all these regime changes and machinations do cause population movements in the United States will have itself to blame for that is well ok the immigration issue is very complicated but the u. S. Does itself no favors by meddling with its southern neighbors problem let me go back to you in line we started out the program talking about me sickly white washing the events in bolivia and it kind of react to what francisco i did say i mean if there is a dirty war committed against the bolivian people were not going to hear much about it from the mainstream are we absolutely and i think the media need to the western brain stream media have to have a long look at themselves in the mirror i mean they havent learned the lessons of iraq when they essentially went along and if you skated the reasons for the growth you know Human Rights Violations that followed the illegal occupation and invasion of iraq with a 1000000 with a 1000000 that if not more and they continue to systematically to store misrepresent these processes in latin america and then you know we saw it with the coup against Dilma Rousseff in brazil when there was a kind of reporting that made it very nebulous around corruption and that and then they often selves years down the line how did we get to a situation where we have a fascist in power so there seems to be they want to have it both ways where they they kind of play the game go along with it obfuscate misreport and then once you have a far right leader like trump in the u. S. Also not oh in brazil they say oh how did we get to this position we dont know it was terrible you know we the liberal censor. Completely against this so i think the media have. A very very. Big role in the unfolding of events in how they report things and i think they need to take responsibility because what theyre doing now is really contributing to. And human rights abuses youre overly optimistic my friend i mean considering their behavior with all these foreign wars i mean i could spend a lot of dime you know syria comes to mind youre right shameful rule here what a loopy lets tell our viewers how they can find out whats really going on in bolivia i mentioned the gray zone which i encourage people to go to where else can they go to besides r g and cross talk of course but were else can they go to learn about these important events i will tell you something and this is because this is good this gives me hope and that has to do with my country with mexico because the government of mexico has recognized that there is i mean that there with a coup in believe via and its providing support to the government of i mean to the to the elected president of libya to have a moralist well he resigned but he is there and also mexico and the mexican media if they are you know they are covering whats happening so i see i think the thoughtful media overall i see Mexican Government the mexican official communiques but also the social media blogs people there are conscious of whats happening you know. I think twitter every day i check it very frequently and people are conscious so im hopeful many people are not happy with what is happening in bolivia and they are expressing their discontent not in the Mainstream Media but people are seeing that theres something thats not right happening in our hemisphere ok francisco mexico is also well i mean the way they accepted morellos was a very honorable thing to do and openly express what really happened which was actually very positive for me because so many other governments want to francisco im going to give you the last word in the program one minute goes to you in santiago wont just you hold. I mean we can now do what i loop by will show up with the media i mean the western media liberal media have to challenge some people to need to know to go to the truth we truth on the facts because theyre contributing to this will be even confusion i mean western media by not revealing reading whats happening in bolivia its going. To another you know way. They dont shoot some fresh in the region which is the euro which is coming pretty close you know. But what they what i would also maybe the lot maal give myself the last word here is that what is being diminished the most is the very idea of participation in democracy the Indigenous People of bolivia for the 1st time under their expresident former president now had that opportunity and that shouldnt be denied anyone no matter what your skin color is or your views you should fight for democracy thats all the time we have many thanks to my guests in london washington and in santiago and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time and remember. I. 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