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Be here with you next hour with a roundup of the biggest news from the week and stay with us for going underground next here on our international. Center of town so were going underground as saudi arabia takes the podium to conclude the u. N. General Assembly Just ahead of the one Year Anniversary of the killing of the Washington Post Jamal Khashoggi a crime over which the u. N. One saudi arabia investigated coming up on the show as the United States Senate Debates a trade war with hong kong that could drag the Global Economy down and its president trumps existing sanctions against china we speak to a member of ongoings executive council preparing for tomorrows 70th anniversary celebration of the peoples republic and all the days out here. Concludes the u. N. General assembly we go to the country with the largest number of u. S. Troops in Europe Germany to hear its left Party Dealing slam any possible angle or merkel plan to join Donald Trumps and Boris Johnsons soldiers against iran plus brechts at the berlin wall and microwave meals with suede supporting artists more funny how all this of all can we have a days going underground a festival remarks the 70th anniversary of the peoples republic of china or an event covered in nato nations not so much for the lifting of 850000000. 00 out of poverty as the triumph of a brutal state that today abuses human rights in on kong the chief villain appears to be hong kong chief executive kerry lamb joining me now from the new Peoples Party at what is known gong is one of our cabinet ministers regina thanks so much for coming on the show before we get to whats going on in on kong how is it how is the special Administrative Region going to be celebrating 70 years of china that will be flecked waiting ceremonies and celebrations as usual and the Hong Kong Government will be sending a large delegation to beijing to attend the parade and various celebrations in the capital but no no fireworks because some people think that having no fireworks in on kong is a capitulation to the enemies of own goals really its a great pity but i think there are Strong Security considerations considering that in the past 100 days there have been a lot of. Outbreaks of violence attacks on in those than bystanders if you if you find somebody who would disagree with you you bashed that person so in the or all the potential for fights and the breakdown of law and order i think the they all thought that these were rights to a can so deep if i worked this year well as you know media. Here in britain is covering the protests we have pictures in this studio of the american flags and british flags being flown by the protesters media here says they are Peaceful Protesters and in fact british media sense thora g. s are investigating c. G. M. The Chinese International channel for bias the western Media Coverage on the hong kong events have certainly been highly biased in our view you know there have been a lot description of the events in hong kong as Police Brutality whereas actually although the poachers have taken place for over 100 days they have not really been serious injuries and no fatalities compare with the way western police hendo the los angeles riots in the 1970s occupy wall street in 2011 and the london riots in 2011 also in 5 days there were 5 deaths several 1000 arrested whereas at home call we have over 200 policemen injured maybe a similar number of members of public also injured but really no serious injuries and no fatalities yes but arguably in london when there were riots the authorities here doubled down and they greeted austerity whereas in on kong it seems to be one cave in after another to protest as you called off the legislation for legal unity with china back in 2012 you called of education curriculum changes because of protests why is it the hong kong authorities do everything the demonstrators appear to want them to do although some western media would like to portray our government as suppressor of the masses actually as you said our government has come pick children had several times to mass demonstrations because we are strong protect our rights and freedoms. And we got jealously is our reputation you know and there is a lot of external pressure on us if there are any accusations against us so the whole call believes theyre actually much more sinned against than sinning well presumably not going to be delayed by giving on going to the back to the british would it make you feel when you see the British Union jack being flown by the bridges does and the people wanting british rule well i think they should go to the pit consul a and ask them for british passports for all those who are flight british flights or want to exchange their British Special no overseas possible for british citizen passports they look at it as solid a resounding no because the pritish have been amending then nationality and immigration legislation in the past decades so as to de bar hong kong people so these people are very naive if they think they cant get help when protection from the pictish or the americans by flying their flags you probably remember when britain ruled on going in a defacto dictatorship is that a failure of hong kong authorities as regards education that the young in hong kong some of the young you know growing dont remember the british defector dictatorship our young people i think they have been you know very set victims up our new School Curriculum which has crowded out the study of chinese history and Chinese Culture and a lot of them have been brainwashed into believing that only western values are the universal core values and they have forgotten the need for respect and tolerance for views which are different of their own thats why in the past 100 days or more they had been fights between different groups of citizens would is the class dimension to the. Yes because i understand that though 1300000 people are trapped in poverty in hong kong and we seldom hear about that of course in the western major nation Mainstream Media what is the relation between poverty demonstrators perhaps for china and demonstrators prowest what i have doubts once so about the 1300000 thyca are People Living below poverty line but it is true that we have an acute land then housing crisis in hong kong you know about 200000 families have to live in a very small abject subdivided queue because at their high red posts and i think a lot of the anger has 22 or 3 at kiltartan problems and also the widening wealth gap and it is a fact that government has not done anything to cure these problems in the past 22 years i think that is really what lies at the root of the anger do other members of the cabinet share say policy concerns over privatization in hong kong i know you are active as regards the link real estate. Investment trust and the poor market trade is rents went up by so much but i have no problem with the free market economy but if you look at the hunk of stock markets tour high flyers the 2 stocks which have done well they are the link reads and the n. P. R. See theyve done better than our Property Developers because basically they and one not police they enjoy and monopolies and kept it markets handed over by them by our government. Because of poor policies. You did the u. S. Congress theres a law currently being examined that gong like Mainland China as regards Donald Trumps trade war what impact do you think that will have will it actually help the homegrown Authorities Authority over the people you will go what youre talking about the hong kong human rights and democracy act to all 19 which are pledges to amend the 99000 to us Hong Kong Policy acts which gives public all different treatment for Mainland China under u. S. Law this time to new york though they have tightened up the scrutiny they are requiring the secretary of states to make any or certificate that there is no violation of human rights freedom should all that sort of thing in hong kong and it is more intimidating because it affects ones sanctions against persons identified by by the administration as undermining whites and freedoms and this is sending very negative signals about hong kong in fact holocaust has a very Good Standing of its rule up law so this all top allegations are really unfounded and the bill is intimidating and sending very negative signals about hong kong are you prepared to be assigned National Chicken unhappy are you prepared to be sanctioned person and not worry about censure. I dont see any ground for sentient being but im not worried about sentient you know what time on happy about is when the u. S. Congress how to hearings recently the Congressional Executive Commission on china as well as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee they chose to hear only form rhetoric coves rather than hear form a wider range szabo pinions from hong kong so they have formed very negative bias picture of the state of freedoms and human rights in hong kong. I would do the your colleagues in beijing say about how the hong kong authorities have have handled these protests because usually move the long history of u. K. U. S. Destabilization of jonah whether it be the drugging of its population and all sorts of attempts to destroy it want to be in china its not be the well has it or the common accusation of the west is china would intervene in hong kong would intervene in the heavy metal heavy handed way they would be a repeat of the solid can run events you know. They take has actually been exceedingly restrained in in their approach to walk the events in hong kong they are leaving it to us to resolve our own problems and i think we are resolved to use our own legislative and Law Enforcement resources to bring the current quizes to a close i think we will disappoint critics who are looking to beijing to intervene in the heavy hand that men are so that they can accuse spading of breaking their promises in the sign up addiction declaration and in the basic law i dont think we were for into that chat but when it comes to bringing people out of poverty when it comes to growth rates why do you think china does so much better than the special Administrative Region of ongoing we used to be far more efficient and effective before 997. 00 i think its because our Democratic Development you know im not at malls think Democratic Development but the introduction of democratic popular elections thus mean that we have to allow a lot more time for the baits discussions and the filibustering in our legislature which prevents us from getting things done as effectively as before we saw you just saying that its better under the british. Well we were socially more more efficient under the british you know in before 997 although we did not have democracy until we did not have a quick to elections through the legislature until 9091 but we have walked lol so whole call was free even though we do not we did not have western style democratic elections and that system served us well you know whereas we have been going downhill since we changed our political system to a more open mall at the sario and democratic one so will you be the next chief executive of hong kong replacing kerry lam its not i dont think so you know my policy is to help the chief executive to stop the violence and bring to a common crisis to a close ship. Falls free he is and i will support the regime there thank you of the break as merkel backs trump in the persian gulf we speak to senior german dealing here in p 7 document about the tragic contradictions of European Union Foreign Policy. But leading swades a board mark for me how on divided cities all is of all can we have a budget of going to growth. What holds it to you should. You put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or some want to. Actually going to be the person this is like the. 3 of them or 2 people. Im interested in the waters of. This city. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to larry saudi arabia concludes this years u. N. General assembly in new york this after donald trump said he wants to send hundreds of his soldiers to protect the kingdom that beheads and crucifies another country not only hosting u. S. Troops but the u. S. Is Largest Overseas bases germany which agrees with britain and the usa that iran was behind asymmetric attacks on saudi arabia that cause record breaking spikes in oil prices well we went to the use of about just me to a member of the bundestag dealing deputy chair of Foreign Policy in arms exports 7 doug dillon on the site of where the berlin wall once stood i have just start with iran and in your capacity as the left Group Deputy Chair Foreign Policy and arms exports and disarmament do you agree with people in the angular merkel c. D. U. Who say theres a moral duty to be there in the straits of hormuz to protect shipping from iran and i think were there as a moral duty to deescalate in the region at the present persian gulf because at the moment a station as very explosive and we have to. We have to make more pressure that all the military ships will go out of the region why do you think britain was so quick to offer support to the United States and donald trump over iran while its not a secret that Great Britain even in the past is very often. Very unconditionally on the side of the u. S. Regarding war policies in the region and for middle east for example war against iraq and so we have a saying in germany as well that tony blair the former Prime Minister in Great Britain was the portal of george w. Bush in us and it seems that johnson as the new pool of u. S. President donald trump do you think your views are shared obviously by dealing the group of the liquor buddies but is it shared by other the majority of the people in germany is against the war against iran they are totally against it and they are in favor of deescalation and diplomacy rather than to. Send troops or warships to the region we have to prevent and do everything to prevent a war against iran because we. Assume that it will be worse than the war against iraq if it will start against iran she having Prime Minister johnson would say he doesnt want a war either and here we are in Berlin Germany has the Largest Overseas United States army base in the world there are tens of thousands of american soldiers germany is germany you know approval well i never said its not but we had a no decision of the parliament and the Government Regarding the war against iraq we didnt follow the us like a Great Britain did i think after the withdrawal of french troops of Russian Troops and the british troops in germany there is no logical reason why 37000 u. S. Soldiers are on german soil can you understand why people in britain want to leave the European Union if. Not only do they know the germany is filled with tens of thousands of soldiers from the United States the European Union does things like recognize u. S. Backed president s in venezuela congealing because the why the people of britain want to leave this European Union i mean of course there is criticize critics. About the European Union the treaty of the European Union the lisbon treaty and the policy its very. Unsocial its a military state and its near liberal policies but i think the decision on brets it is a decision of the british people and i am really. Preferring to stay back to advise or to say to british people what they should do or what they dont see Jeremy Corbyn the leader of western europes largest socialist movement half a 1000000 members in britain. Hes the favorite to win the next to become the next Prime Minister the link has been wiped out in germany why are the policies of delinquent not popular. Here but certainly the policies are shared with corbin many of them where the policy is doing better maybe in britain well i mean i would be very glad if i recall them would be the next Prime Minister in Great Britain but we will all see when you see all the opinion polls in germany the positions of the party the link is very popular you know we are against military interventions brought against us Nuclear Bombs in germany we want that the us take them back for example we are against. Policies of the medical government for example and so we do have a lot of common with the majority of the people in germany even for taxing the billionaires and the millionaires and but the problem is not only to have you know these popular positions so we have to get voted at the elections and this is a different question. Do you think the media is channeling in the media in germany is channeling opposition to the c. D. U. Straight to the f. T. Is that whats going on because its the far right that is winning here while the far right is winning in some areas of the European Union its not just in germany you can see why the European Parliament elections so thats not new and its not only india really badly sacks of the brandenburg yeah i agree i know when we do have we do have reasons for that so we are still in discussions within the link about this and to have a strategy to form a strategy how should we get the voters back we lost and how we can get more voters in my point of view the left in the past especially in the past 10 years they did a lot of identity policy but not the policy for the majority of the people so class politics exactly. We have a lack of that we began by talking about iran german weapon parts are exported to saudi arabia of course trump says. The situation is about the attack in saudi arabia iran denies it. Well they have no to that moment there is no proof that iran did attack the drone attack on the all fields in saudi arabia ok but there is proof that german weapons have been used on yemen as part of the saudi coalition. As someone who is the left disarmament deputy chair what is going on because britain has now been banned at least until an appeal goes through from exporting weapons to saudi arabia we do have a german stop arms exports to save the arabia but unfortunately not. The arms exports stop to saudi arabia with the common arms with a Great Britain and france for example they unified has all the tornadoes we have to stop them as well of course because the saudis they are still bomb being and making massacre us on the Civil Society are on yemen and i think its a contradiction to the to the Foreign Policy the German Government always always is calling they say we have a Foreign Policy on the. On moral. Values but i think its its not of value to say weapons to saudi arabia and they use it against the society in yemen well we invite the side youre unable ambassador to london on the show to respond to that story in douglas thank you. While in berlin we also caught up with berlin based musician and artist mark foley have always supported suede played with david bowies final lead guitarist gerry limited i started by asking him about his new single divided cities well its its quite a simple song about bricks its. You know thats not all the k. Borders and everything beginning would be basically so keep it simple for myself together with the berlin bit cities everyone knows this was famously divided whats it like living here in moving from england its its a great place to be an artist because its very very affordable compared to london or most Capital Cities do you think it is divided still this is a good question i mean i guess everyone is divided in about 20 different ways these days so where is the brics context in the i mean the song divided cities is about divisions politically and divisions geographically hence the berlin wall and obviously how people are very kind of. Divided ideologically you know to one side of the other side berliners of obviously got used to the divided if hes history do you think its because youre from outside you can still notice that cohen takes much more in a much more alive way than maybe someone who was born here just after the war came to berlins even quite its even really liberal of your opposite it goes from one extreme to the other both and which makes it quite inspiring because its lived through well there is that other the rise of the far right yeah ok where you are supported swayed here in london very here in berlin and youre going to be boarding them again i believe so yeah every time they play berlin ive supported them over the last few tours so thats like 3 tours that they played theyve asked me to support the singer the singer brought under 7 so its very nice what do you like there were brother hes a really good yeah. Yeah just a super nice guy and super inspiring guy as well and again quite international he also escaped from a small town so theres lots of parallels i think you know and similar themes similar influences i guess so i mean stuff like bowie and all these kind of bands from that era kind of sing about being outsiders you know so i think its the same thing growing up at school and getting bullied and stuff and then you kind of find your own identity by moving away became ingin alien somewhere else you know so i think feel more at home here as an outsider in a strange way than i do in living in england you know even if its not so great things about england microbes meals about over in england for example of of my quick meals here a disaster and no one believes in ghosts and believe so thats a very. Grave meals are better in britain so when you touring back in england i guess that depends on bricks it really so if you dont want me back then its probably a good idea to like you know forget that idea about. Funny how theyre speaking to us a ruptly studios in berlin is single divided cities is out now thats over the show will be back on wednesday when you have a day over the brutal assassination of the Washington Post Jamal Khashoggi allegedly by saudi agents assisted by israeli spy where until then people talk about social media dont forget to subscribe to our you tube channel. Backscatter financial Survival Guide book stay single malt to start simply travel all the service. Be sure its not going to get the. Public know what susan repatriations will get the rest in 7 years. Deliver separate large keyser for. 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