Emerging that u. S. Authorities are investigating the wildly popular chinese owned video sharing app for National Security concerns. And let us know what you think about those stories and others at our t. V. Dot com up next so cross talk a look at how the idea of a deep state has now entered the mainstream. Hello and welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle the good news if you like and use the term deep state you are no longer deemed a conspiracy theorist the bad news the deep state is very real and powerful and a danger to the democratic process the deep state as the 4th branch of government is a dangerous concept. Cross talking the deep state im joined by my guest ben swann in atlanta he is an investigative journalist and founder of the truth and media project in Fort Lauderdale we have Christopher Metzler he is a legal scholar and in budapest we cross it george said newly he is author of bombs for peace nato is humanitarian war on yugoslavia right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to george 1st in the beautiful city of budapest you know george you and i have a great sense of relief now because weve been using the term deep state for quite a while here and we were demonized and called conspiracy theorists and up puppets of putin and paid off are just plain stupid ok now it is way its in the mainstream the mainstream is the term and even the deep state its come out of the cold and compliments itself on the liberal media where it has the backing and support and cover so tell me about your deep sea deep seated sense of relief george. Now there is no question there is a great sense of relief. But also as you said in your intro its definitely very chilling. What does happen is that youre in the past 40 years a massive military security has grown up in the United States and its fundamentally a parasitical clause that nobody can really touch and the moment they feel that somebody might interfere in their workings they come out of for roche asli against the elected leaders so what were now having is people who have held the highest office in the United States youve had cia director john brennan you have 4 star general Barry Mccaffrey they openly express their design for the president and they openly advocate. The bly. Ignoring of the president s wishes by a permanent bureaucracy and this is indeed quite frightening because you know the only people who are accountable ultimately in a democracy are elected leaders and the National Security up i wrote exactly ben let me go to you in the beautiful city of atlanta watching how the Mainstream Media and you know who im talking about covering all of this here theyre legitimizing this theyre legitimizing unelected officials determining policy. Policy directions and policy outcomes so i have a simple question for you ben then why do we need a president and why do we need elected officials i mean the media carries water for these people and theyre going to get their way no matter what so whats the point of having democracy then go had been though i think thats a great point look the bottom line is that exactly what you said in the beginning here that. There are folks who have talked about this for years who have claimed that there is this an elected shadow government that is running things and those people have been called conspiracy theorists for decades now and we know that these individuals do in fact exist and as you said whats really stunning about this is how the medias responded to it instead ringback of saying oh well there is a problem here there is a problem with the unelected folks in these positions who are career Law Enforcement or career cia career agencies and they are allowed to run the government and so it does explain doesnt it why nothing ever changes it doesnt matter which party is in control the wars dont stop they only continue to grow the dollar continues to be devalued jobs continue to go away what is what is really happening and it explains that when you step back and say wait a minute the encroachment on our Civil Liberties thats been taking place for decades the complete disregard for the rights of the public does not change no matter who was elected to office well it certainly makes sense when you realize that its not that office thats controlling things but whats really interesting here is how these agencies remember the cia the n. S. A. The f. B. I. These are the agencies that just a few years ago saturday part of Congress Like the cia and john brennan lying about torture to congress you know there was no representation for that absolutely none whatsoever thing with the page same thing you have clapper same thing mind at the end of that those who are an authority you dont ever change anything because theyre not the ones who are actually in power you know christopher one of the things i find most insulting in through all of this here all of us know in that our viewers know that the deep state has in fact been in existence for a long time and has tried to exert and probably often successfully exerted influence here but christopher what insults me is calling them patriots ok and somehow knowing better than we do but theyre somehow morally they have higher moral fiber than we do ok and they also these patriots socalled devalue my vote go ahead christopher. Yeah absolutely patriot ha thats a joke if we look at this man i am equally insulted if we look at someone like susan rice or her who goes out there with the whole benghazi thing if we look at this roving bunch of idiots who continuously undermine democracy and then the media has the nerve to call them patriots look if they believe that they can represent democracy if they believe they can represent us then run for office youre not running for office because you cant win and you prefer instead to stand behind the curtain and manipulate the way the Government Works the deep state has nothing to do with patriotism it has to do with a naked grab for power and control period end of discussion there not preterists as as a matter of fact it seems to me that that is an insult to patriots everywhere there are more bottom feeders with colleges to bottom feeders. Who are bottom feeders and. Ok let me let me go to let me go to george you know you know george if the deep state actually had a winning road record had something to be proud of and somehow defended our liberties in our freedoms you know maybe could be a debate but their road record is up hauling ok i mean theyre running on a record of failure disaster waste and they destroy a lot of innocent people in the process and were supposed to call them patriots were supposed to say that they know better again this is just another in a series of insults go ahead george. No thats absolutely right but what they deem success is success for their costs for the people like them and the huge number of course she jobs that they and their friends continually circulate among themselves so the the amount of money that is lavished on the military on the f. B. I. On Homeland Security on intelligence on Nuclear Weapons all of this money is in their hands and for them success is measured as to how much of that money they can scoop up for themselves so they dont really care that their policies fail as long as the budget just keeps increasing and more money goes into their hands and so when they leave the military they retire they go to his or an m s n b c o c and then maybe they have a nice little turn in in the next administration or they do some low being so they dont really care whats good for the United States they only really care for whats good for them thats why i say theyre a parasitical clause and only going sun with the self interest of the its close you know ben we seems to me the only failure the only downside for these people is that theyre moved to a Different Air conditioned office in a suburb of washington d. C. Thats the only thing they fear a Different Air conditioned office thats pathetic go ahead bin well look i think its very important that when we we use the term patriot mean this is all p. R. This is nothing to do with even how they actually view themselves because if you really believe that you are patriots why have you been hiding for years why have you hidden that these Clandestine Operations going on for decades now the other important thing here is that well what weve seen happen over the past 2 decades is the increase of authority and power that the deep state has been given through bills like the patriot act through the court. That allowed the secret behavior to take place they have been empowered to become more and more powerful and at the same time have less and less accountability but they dont actually believe that theyre patriots because theyve been hiding for all this time and the truth is that had President Trump not been elected they would continue to be hiding beneath and they ran all of these operations against his campaign the reason they reached out to forget hillary was most their we have was hillary was the winner and clinton was president and no one was going to know about this and it was going to write in you want as business as usual what one thing whether you are a fan of President Trump or not one thing that you cannot argue about his presidency is that the mask has been ripped off of the state and theyre not just the activities they would involved in for many decades but the actual steps they have taken to influence elections all this talk of russia influencing the elections our own cia and f. B. I. And n. S. A. Those agencies were working to serve the election before hand and have been working to overturn the election ever since it took place that is a much bigger threat than facebook ads by a russian troll far richard let me go to you before we go to the break here i mean one of the other things i think is really terrifying is that you have the liberal media a century justifying a 4th branch of government and that is something that i find terrifying 35 seconds to before we go to the break go ahead Christopher Moore the liberal media in fact as you indicated in your opening they are the ones carrying the water and their expectation is that people are so stupid they dont know the difference but the fact is with the president now with office we are starting to see the difference we are starting to understand that the media its not about objectivity its not about facts its about self preservation are you. Liberal media of the mainstream excellent point here chris wragge i have to got to i got to jump in here had to go i think go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on the deep state state with art. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. High salacious little community. Are you going the right way or are you being led. By. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or a maybe in the shallowness. Imagined in the 635 if you have a career and unclear involves using your i phone in your computer and things like that in an office and perhaps you sort of killings in excess or kids t. V. You could have to stop doing all this in this kind of you look at the minutes must be frightening my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up learning it in a box. Or out a very strong Magnetic Field held in my head. Think of it like a real hard shirt my skin burned and then. Wireless access point here just continues on saying with our students in the schools. We are just continuing our citizens in this microwave radiation it is certainly electro small and its getting worse. Welcome back across the uk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing the deep state. Ok lets go back to george in the great city of budapest george what i find really very very interesting is that i know that you have chronicled regime changes for decades. In your scholarly work but what is interesting in this case in this time is that the regime change playbook that has been played out in so many countries around the world has come to washington d. C. That is the playground for this play book ok and theyre using all of the same tricks and shenanigans and were did theyre doing it against the duly elected president and i want to echo something that christopher id just say irrespective of what you think of donald trump ok thats not the point here the point is is there is a constitution and this is being subverted in broad daylight in cheered on ok by the parasitic class i love that line and by the liberal media so the interesting thing is that this coup is come to washington and its being played out right in front of us go ahead george it is indeed its absolutely terrifying and its strange how short american memories. Are remember an excellent film from the 1960. Im sure you see that yourself peter 7 days in may yeah which side. Had a president who was seeking to an improvement in relations with russia and you had an alliance between the cold war hawk generals and the various cold war hawks in congress and theyre kind of a forming media who decide that they know better whats good for the United States and they will remove this ineffectual president who has who thinks about peace and boring things like that and this is exactly what weve experienced since donald trump i mean truth emerged in 2015 i mean god knows trump is no peace candidate but just for the sin of making a few noises about that he might be a good idea to improve relations with russia he has had this for roches attack on him by the government and the media which 1st came up with this russia gate nonsense that somehow putin and trump were in collusion to steal the election and so on and now they switched you know within a matter of hours they switched oh its all over ukraine gate and so and but its the same cast of characters you have the cold war also for. The democrats now in congress in alliance with the media and in alliance with these cold war crazies generals who just love the poor thats coming their way you know chris for the you know george brings up a really interesting point and i think its very paradoxical because if you look at terms Foreign Policy and that was the only reason why i took interest in his candidacy in the 1st place the only reason ok so i mean he makes some sounds about pulling out some troops in in syria and hes for oil to over and over again doesnt it doesnt make him look good to be honest ok doesnt ok but also the troops are coming home from afghanistan the u. S. Is. Still helping saudi arabia with its disastrous in humane war in yemen and i could go on and on and on there was no peace overture towards north koreas gone no no where i mean you know trump really has what is he really done to ruffle their feathers i mean on a policy level very little has actually changed ok but they still want him he still has a target on his head i mean it is a paradox go ahead. Yeah it indeed is a paradox because our agree with you relative to that i mean what what has been so threatening what has been so threatening is not only the exposure of the deeps state but lets look at their attempt to remove a duly elected president so the democrats have started really releasing the transcript im going to ask the question that remember that when these commercial a while ago wheres the beef because in fact the transcripts simply indicate at this point that the former ambassador had her feelings hurt and people were talking about her ok what about it but this is in fact part of the attempt to remove a duly elected president look you want to get rid of him vote him out at the ballot box one year in fact thats not what theyre doing exactly here that i say what is all of this crap i think i think weve lost ben in atlanta maybe well get him back but ill go back to george in budapest george. Trump is not always going to be president ok hes reelected lets say in 20202024 there will be a new president ok are they going to be able to undo what they have done i mean is the presidency forever changed because now we have the media and the Political Class heralding the deep state now this parasitical class are they going to go back into their caves i have to wonder i dont think so. No not in the talk. Because if you remember back in 2016 when john kerry and a lover of signed an agreement that both the United States and russia would go off to isis how did the us military respond they launched a completely unprovoked attack against the Syrian Military and the agreement collapse within a matter of hours yet this was a deliberate attempt by the military to sabotage political answer he didnt like is going to continue because you have this powerful class who who then to say oh yes he was sorry youre absolutely right it was. They think that they know whats better than what should be u. S. Foreign policy they know better than what the elected leaders want and they will pursue it so it doesnt matter whether its democrat or republican you now have a group of people who are of arab league decided that they run Foreign Policy and elected politicians should have no say in the matter. I dont want to give the impression that im being exclusively part of sin on this issue here then we can go to the the established stablish once attack on Tulsi Gabbert using the segregated Hillary Clinton which was. There was that that was simply a shameful thing to do punching down like that is this while whatever happened to any kind of ethics here also the arrest of Max Blumenthal with the gray zone ok ive just given an example of a democrat and a progressive ok everyone knows im a conservative im sticking up for the democrat and im sticking up for the progressive ok because what if they have done they have violated the rule you cannot expand the conversation ok and you will be punished for it just like the. Being punished for it this is what im worried about its just not the deep state they have their tentacles everywhere and if you get out of line you can be punished ok particularly if youre in public life go ahead ben well as and i think as a as a journalist whats most alarming to me about that is when you see the public face as we said James Clapper john brennan people like this who have taken jobs as analysts with Major Networks in this country see it in and in b. C. Hiring these guys to go on their air and to talk about these issues with a straight face as if theyre speaking about it from some place of authority theyre not theyre literally talking about what i think you could argue cryings they have committed yes were going to find out whether or not crimes were committed against not just against the candidate not just against the candidates see but against the people of this country and yet they are advocating for their position as if they are some kind of 3rd party individual but i want to go back to toll c. For a minute you mentioned tulsa gabbert and whats fascinating about this is that if you look at the polling tolson gabbert is not polling very high she gets no time from the media she barely gets into debates they help her out of one completely because they kept changing the rules for polling so gabbert is not a huge threat and it tells you something about the movement behind her not just her but against people like ron paul when he ran. Behind President Trump right now there is a nasa of swell of people in this country who know that this is a sham and they know that these agencies are not looking out for their interests they are serving the power of the people they are the greatest threat to democracy in this country and that is what needs we push back against whats going to be fascinating is what happens if trump becomes reelected that is their Worst Nightmare do you know remove the cia and f. B. I. Agents who have any contact with the white house or the administration you have to because theyre spying on every single thing he does. And trying to turn it into a crime a high crime or misdemeanor yeah you know christer im going back to clapper and brennan on cable t. V. They still have their security clearances so what do you bet they get it they get a briefing then they then they inform a producer at their cable t. V. And then you have a presenter say well we just heard from a source an unnamed source a confidential source and then they ask the question of the source on the air i mean its a circular loop ok this is a farce this is this is a theater christopher this well you know as well. Yes indeed it is and so in fact what you have here is you have the does honesty of these highly placed sources who then are paid by the Mainstream Media c. N. N. M. S. N. B. C. Whomever they are paid to then give them ratings but more importantly give them classified information that is a scandal and it just seems to me all these people ok if you want to be on c. N. N. Then get rid of your security clearance you shouldnt be on there if you have that clearance and thats the issue because in fact what ends up happening is you have both parties feeding each other thats pretty much what youve got in this particular case and i dont understand why more people are not outraged by the scandal and how in fact this is undermining democracy in this country and the deep state has run amok with and its being done and you didnt abetted by the media dan you want to jump in go ahead last word 25 seconds go ahead. No i was just going to say very quickly that its important to also remember that when the media takes these leaks theyre not actual leaks what these are is specific information being you know reported in the public view of things these same journalist and these same people who are doing the leaking despise individuals like Julian Assange who takes those classified documents and im so glad im so glad we ended on that note Julian Assange and absolutely right a real journalist thats all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in atlanta Fort Lauderdale and in budapest and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. The next time you remember cross talk. Of. The world is driven by a dream shaped by. Thinks. We dare to ask. Today there are good terrorists and bad that is the bad terrorists and those in yemen who the United States deems to be a threat the good of those who work in syria the cia and the u. S. Military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. Where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up the right way military funding an army of death squads theres no end because theres always a small. Cut. Off. Lot of people like to use were to let go small very good analogy but when we have soul towers on every to every big building when we are going to put these 5 g. Generators on every light pole on every street it is certainly electro small and its getting worse. My world became smaller and smaller and smaller and tell i ended up winning it in a box and then in a shielded room wait the same person that was helping us to she found the right material to hold back that particular frequency that was coming in and burning my skin and we dealt a room it looks like a little foil but its not its 3 layers thick and stuff like a very very fine chicken wire in the middle of it there were days that i didnt know it the sun came up the sun went down in a christmas came around we had christmas inside the cellar room as we like to call it. Quits you know telling us how you look at it couldve been really sad but we made the best of it. Having christmas in here meant a lot to all of us it was so many events so many School Events so many things that my wife could not to she even missed her daughters graduation in college it was 34 hours away she couldnt take the drive and she could still overnight. And you know sit