Transcripts For RT Worlds Apart 20240713

Of all high profile cases that for example involved journalist yvonne we also just got galson real time disguised as a gaggle of this and not ours and Jeffrey Sachs and it breaks if you for this verse you call that what that was just comment that it would mostly. We might have theres actually a lot of. This with a little more of keys we should was talking surprises which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i was talking surprises which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i 1st read the news of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea 1st read the news of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea i was on the council then but i thought well this is these are media i was on the council then but i thought well this is these are media people the. Can defend their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it people they can defend their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it so i wasnt ready for this. One also think this crap and the. Magnitude they cant have it when it was as down the so that when time that survey was a big argument as it is it was this time that society as it is was ready to react to what it sees as fear was ready to react to what it sees as on fear and unjust and thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around the unjust and thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the protests themselves become more broad based its not just processional of them sisters but also have become more broad based its not just professional protesters but kind of lame man who kind of didnt let him take to the streets certainly when you do pete in the people take to the streets before certainly new people keim game to be protest esthers not just ask. People we found tonight we want to you know notice young people more because wes ishi them naturally with a new floor to. Bottom but. With a future with tomorrow but as far as we can judge by its a little bit we need a kind of the. Need of the general composition of people out on the streets is analogous to the demographic picture of people out on the streets is analogous to the demographic picture of society in general the median age is 40 in. Im 40 a society in general the median age is 4940. But we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people but we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people. Going. Through a lot of the truth we have we have new people out and this is a change and the process that you mentioned is called by scientologists the normalisation of protest and this is a wimp you people out this is a change and the process is that you mentioned is called by scientologists in the protest and this is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to give it to him will not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us dictated to him with self is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is rather self is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is read a new thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seem as though they knew a thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as a danger they have been the attitude of authorities. To progress until recently if this was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of recently if this was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such a. You know strong in the middle of 2001000 there has been such a. You know Strong Police of of the of the of public protests not the least by the police of of the of the of public protest nor the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more scooters allow or both or it is themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time since the change in legislation that wars are implemented before the change in legislation that wars are implemented before 2014 the price of unauthorized sanctions socalled protos became great you know 1000 for 2 the price of unauthorized sanctions socalled protos became gradually higher more fines are more days of administrative for arrests and then only higher more fines are more days of administrative for arrests and then been famous criminal code article 2 of 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found some being famous criminal code article 2 of 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found during Public Meetings and really as so the prize was raise during Public Meetings and really is so the prize was raised by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can start by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do that what changed easts possibly what you call politan times do that what changed is possibly what you call politicisation this is pro over this what is the. So. Were. As were still slow as local. Bases on some some concrete greve grievance i. Love about demolition of a building building. Far more of the more severe morning of superman that a specific model brought us that so brought us off this summer war believe this i have a more recent wars are of the elite of the. News on the politics of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist go read sacro it is evident as a pro the supposedly Political Action because theyll be taken toward sales that its a demand. For push dissipation for political participation but authority is. The gulf between what we can but authorities differentiate between well kind of social or economic forces for protest well kind of social or economic forces for protests and political there is nothing more political than elections and these were badly tical there is nothing more political than elections. Were about elections so oh when we weve seen this our own goal of keys the elections so oh when we weve seen this our own goal of case the participants were not punished off towards the course according to our to the participants were not punished afterwards be course according to our tradition the worst thing that happens is not during the really itself not during the session the worst thing that happens is not during the really itself not during the march or something but what comes afterwards the russian institutions or the march or something but what comes afterwards the russian institutions are often criticised for their rather immature nature and from. Often criticised for their rather image of nature and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for it and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for a selfimprovement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have starved selfimprovement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have starved faking or at least of faking authentically the notion that faking or at least of faking authentically the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political or antigovernment you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political or antigovernment protest in russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not us and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to keep those appearances anymore why is that do you think well their parents are to keep those appearances any more why is that do you think well their parents are kept in the sense that whatever happens even if we dislike it then we dislike kept it in the sense that whatever happens even if we dislike it then we dislike about what happens with the little limits of the law as it is we the law is weak about what happens with the little limits of the law as it is we the law is written in such a way that it allows greek lexa t. To Law Enforcement such a way that it allows greek lexa t. To Law Enforcement so we didnt have any well this was a specific. Reso we didnt have any well this was a specific early goal regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs are off written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs are off the allowable participation in political life has been seated and at the same to the allowable participation in political life has been seeded and at the same time their Human Rights Council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also via their Human Rights Council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also been one of those decorated with but not wanted of those used just the corridors but it is not used instance to used. Elegant too much to quote my best question to ask to come to that that ive been asking the myself on the events with whether we ask eating my lips a Council Member is whether we the Council Members who have been so active during those hacked sick summer months how weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming v r vers who have been so active during those hacked sick summer months how weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the institution that we belong to and tarring on its to me its a situation that we belong to and tarring on the. Should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council intact should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council intact or should we have done what we have done in order to show our position public or should we have done what we have done in order to show our position publicly even given the reste of of what actually happened. Even given the weeks of. What actually happened now the speaker to be a board. Member of the other members whove been very critical about how their members approach us who have been there and build a critic not about only by. The moscow protests have been handled not only by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as mad but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its society jerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that are dismayed they have of the county just for Council Members that were dismayed they have of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement age so you can write it off as something that could have happened but you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for a time in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the. Kicked out because supposedly out of the rich in the south city thats hard to believe well this has been the way all the explanation in this city thats hard to believe well this has been the way all the explanation and i must say that there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and i must. Event there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and fair because its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me and fair because its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary warning warning that theyve been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it was at the preliminary warning warning that theyve been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it was at the same time kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position have they having time kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council been changed on the composition of the council remain the same of the council being changed on the composition of the council remain the same because working with the chairman you dont either logically side because working with the chairman whom you dont either logically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institutions with is difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institution decisions are made by though doing by the majority and we have the will the active part we did are made by though doing by the majority and we have the will the active part we did have the majority we could pass decisions we could pass the corporations have the majority we could pass decisions we could pass the corporations but at the same time are the powers of the chair is are made but at the same time are the powers of the chair is our main in our hands for example he alone of all the members of the council has been. For example he alone of all the members of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux signed letters to proper jobs. An advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux sign a letter to the authorities declaring the councils position not a fosse could do therefore it is declaring the councils position none of us could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme a sloman said those that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created after very good a great impression fair russia would if im fresh political roughly as a version of this fire brand politically Diverse Society where people can voice different peace audience i mean if i had made for me what about where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression than just this someone ceremony is. Just this someone ceremony is kicking you out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the or departure or do you think. Hes own decision because he had to sign on the or departure or do you think. Somebody in his close circle who perhaps thought somebody in his close circle who perhaps thought that the your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i will travel services or your opinion. Not the most suited well i would rather surmise that it may be connected to the on coming meeting of the council with the present mind that it may be connected to the on coming meeting of the council with the president the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous rim of ation of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th previous room of asians of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no one asked us what are we going to talk about and i spoke when asked what are we going to talk about and i spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way theyre a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meet i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meeting you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty safe and you dont know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty safe. Because scientists you know social commentator i mean you have a big political scientist you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre seeing something that viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on people havent heard it before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to the you tube channel maybe they. Have up are other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i dont now again i have an idea that the plan was to prevent and yamato now again i have an idea that the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness happening any words being spoken during the next pleasantness happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or would it be course he doesnt like it was one because the president cannot handle it or would be course he doesnt like kids maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the summary from around here if youre going to be plenty of big fat head the big bad had a bland cause after war ended i didnt have bad have bad had lens afterwords i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am. I meant me to explain somebody elses decision i am. I am in a difficult position because i am in a sort of have been officially from it to relieve me from a difficult position because i am in a sort of have been officially from it to relieve me from making my own difficult choice so i can be only thankful to kill all that you can and making my own difficult choice so i can be only thankful to kill all that you can have to relieve you of for another minute or so because we have to take a short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. Have to give you a few more and the other minute because we have to take a short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. During the dot. During the dot com bubble there was a lot of problems with c. E. O. s an insider dot com bubble there was a lot of problems with c. E. O. s an insider dumping stock right after the i. P. O. There should be a lock up period developing stock right after the i. P. O. 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Welcome back to all the party base and you can see the short among the political scientist and a former member of freshest counsel on the human rights and Civil Society you can find this down to a former member of precious council on the human rights and Civil Society if you continue to as you were shown. A few new members were added to the council today and as you were shown. A few new members were added to the council including my colleague carol vicious q who spends more than a year in the ukraine including my colleague carol vicious q who spends more than a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and in the case of korea like in the case of any in prison on charges of treason and in the case of korea like in the case of former u. S. Prison there. The russian liberal or even former u. S. Prison there. The russian liberal or even Human Rights Community it was. More or less subdued and even the council of Human Rights Community it was. More or less subdued and even the council of the tahrir you serve than it did and raised a case all to allow the tahrir you serve then it didnt. Raised a case all too loudly dont you think that this could be seen as a minister station of politically dont you think. This could be seen as a minister station of political bias you know people who are speaking against their thirties die right protected their causes it will buy you know people who are speaking against their thirtys die right protected their cause as a defendant but people who are more or less in line with the state policy is it defended but people who are more or less in line with the state policy is that a case is ignored. Well i must say the protection case is ignored. Well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the prominent topics for the or france of russian citizens abroad has been one of the prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was ignored by the council actually if you look around so it is not true that the topic of self was ignored by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are Council Members youll see that most of them unlike me the police the people who are Council Members youll see that most of them unlike me ahead of their own n. G. O. S they are public activists who have their own heads of their own n. G. O. S they are public activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years so the key is war preserve spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years so the key war prisoners are all lost and displaced persons family is. Lost and displaced persons families of military personnel are sold they all have their own well their own themes military personnel are so they all have their own well their own themes to to pursue and some of this people quite a few of the Council Members are on to to pursue and some of this people. And a few of the Council Members are on the topic of the rights of russian citizens abroad and the but the topic of the rights of russian citizens abroad and the but. I havent met him personally but i must say that journalist i havent met him personally but i must say that journalists have been so bitter all members of the council during the years of the Council Activity have been so bitter all members of the council during the years of the Council Activity are a lot of quite well known russian journalists media people a lot of quite well known russian journalists and media people who are on the council you pops on there was a member once i think it was on the side or kin the were on the council you pops on there was a member once i think it was on the side or kin there was also a member so. Is currently a member and was also a member so. Is currently a member of head of the commission on informational rights so its not something out of the commission or informational right so its not something new but i guess what im trying to ask is whether because i knew but i guess what im trying to ask is whether because if youre a very active position on the street protests and youre different if youre very active position on the street protests and your defense of of the people who would argue have been a lot of of the people who would argue have been unlawfully detained or to strictly prosecuted or fully detained or. To strictly prosecuted. Yes yeah absolutely i mean. Yes yeah absolutely i mean. You know trying to defend what i believe to be the farcical thing he chair of the city you know trying to defend what i believe to be the farcical thing he chair of the Russian Court system and. Sometimes even the pharisee nature of Russian Court system and. Sometimes even the pharisee nature is quite contrary to the proclaimed goals but having said quite contrary to the proclaimed goals but having said that i mean putting that aside dont you think that too much attention to one topic and the other i mean putting that aside dont you think that too much attention to one topic in this case the street products and the the the rides given by the case the street product the the the rides given by the constitution on Public Assembly has skewed the councils attention constitution on Public Assembly has skewed the councils attention. From other not less worth the topics the topics where. From other not less worth the topics the topics where perhaps the state in vast far more resources it also wants to perhaps the state invest far more resources it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect is the other way around we werent doing a lot of to be seen as doing something i rather suspect is the other way around we werent doing a lot of things and what most of my time and resources during my feelings and what most of my time and resources during my short stay on the council was not defending protestors these were these few with or staying on the council wars not. Protesters these were these few weeks where we could not ignore it paying attention to these people new weeks where we could not ignore it paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months what i most pride myself on as a help immediately but during this months are what i most pride myself on as a former Council Member are 2 things 2 directions of activity 1st a former Council Member are 2 things 2 directions of activity 1st its legislation against Domestic Violence i was one of the core cheers all of the working groups its legislation against Domestic Violence i was one of the core cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and i do think that we made the main thing they catered to develop in this legislation and i do think that we made him a pro whereas we came in time we were like you with a timing like hes not the right word by the 2nd term so whereas we came in time we were like you with the timing like hes not the right word but the servant constellation of fact helped us a lot with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd frankly from the fact helped us a lot with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing a special meeting of the council devoting 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to your efforts to try to reform that hold it to the rights of people you mandolins to tell your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to to also to promote legislate system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does leave me actually berger to my next question because i think on these and defending those people and it does raise to me actually berger going to my next question because i think on these and other problems which affect millions of people the state seems to be far more open to other problems which affect millions of people. The state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to change than street politician to criticism and far more amenable to change than street politics and i understand its a false dichotomy im not trying to even joy here but isnt it also true that x. And i understand its a false dichotomy im not trying to even joy here but isnt it also true that people who are really in the vast that into changing rush are not doing that on the people who are really in the vast the into changing rush i know doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to politicize 3 protos to the death retreats you say we pay too much attention to politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around people who make decisions but other more important topics i think is the other way around people who make decisions made more attention to the fact of you going to a Police Station to mean more attention to the fact of you going to a Police Station to meet with detained people than to any other sort of work that you do so they meet with detained people than to any other sort of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not and isnt this is another good either or im just screwing as you say it is not and isnt this is another good either or im just i guess just trying to having to have a broader discussion on the what is what is the most. The bad the best as and. The most efficient ways that of way of reaching russia. And russia im sure you have nothing but respect for people like you to fear that for their master who im sure you have nothing but respect for people like you to fear that for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now scaling this system of penetration shirish speaker almost singlehandedly created and is now scaling this. Shirish speaker a prominent speaking on our special magic salute and she she has her own very interesting way prominent speaking on our special magic salute and she she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach you know i think its almost a gender quite working with russian authorities reach you know i think its almost a gender equality because many of the Russian Politicians and males with this very strong protector image quality because many of the Russian Politicians and males with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators are women who do not try to and a lot of russian social innovators are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appeal to their sort of to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values but rather find their way of working around it im not all nerd culture values but the rather find their way of working around it im not saying isnt that better in moral terms but isnt that more efficient way of saying isnt that better in moral terms but isnt that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty difficult if you ask her for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked for this on the council and actually the best thing ive done in the both ways are pretty difficult if you ask her for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked for this on the council and actually the best thing ive done for myself is creating this network of connection with people on n. G. O. S for myself is creating this network of connection with people on n. G. O. S these are the some of the best people in russia are civic activists on this these are the some of the best people in russia. Our civic activists on this social side i do hope the action most of them are women most of them are women this social side i do hope the actual most of them are women most of them are women and they are amazing and things that they do surpasses the wildest and they are amazing and things that they do surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her shell tell you that were making very slow progress imagination but if you ask her shell tell you that were making very slow progress this Mental Institution thing on the legislation at age 2 it is meeting with tremendous difficulties this Mental Institution thing and the legislation attached to it is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the president ial Director Director even the president because you have objections on the part of the president ial Director Directorate in the president ial administration and surprisingly our allies in this specific ration and surprisingly our allies in this specific case the Russian Orthodox church but still we cant couldnt use the Russian Orthodox church but still we cant couldnt till this point move this bit of legislation on so its. Still this point move this bit of legislation on so its as difficult to define street protesters as to defend no systematically different difficult to define street protesters as to defend no systematically different battle of the position of Mental Institutions inmates so i dont think that there is one of the position of Mental Institutions inmates so i dont think that there is one way or the other way see how for their message across your bones she or the other way see how. For their message across your bones she declined to participate in our most closely to do my elections and i think it was declined to participate in most closely to the. And i think it was one of the best thing because he was also very very critical of one of the best thing because he was also very very critical of the federal authorities and faced absolutely no punishment for the. Federal authorities and faced absolutely no punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think that some or all of her in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think that some or all of her is too high the campaign but then that feeds into these long running after it by the russian a through high the campaign but then that feeds into these long running after it by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize the social and economic sectors from the purges to kind of deep politicize the social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but dont you think there is a basis for political structures you dislike the trend but dont you think there is a basis for the real basis for it given how often the human rights are the real basis for it given how often the human rights ryall has been used politically by russian and do you feel that it. Has been used politically by russian and do you feel it equally by russian adversaries. I would be kind of complication myself in the working russian adversaries. Im a big fan of cup patient myself and of working with the riches when i am to risen to the ranks of civil Rights Council ive heard them with the riches when i am to risen to the ranks of civil rights com so ive heard a lot of things also on social media and generally that im kind of working with a crowd of things also on social media and generally that im kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you get a job in the president ial administration when some people tend to imagine that the you get a job in the prison. Ministration what youre not really a spoiler you dont get paid and that you dont have a proper job youre not really a spoiler you dont get paid and that you dont have a proper job or so i wouldnt call myself a victim of a sort of keeper bulling no never but ive heard a saw i wouldnt call myself a victim of a sort of keeper bulling no never but ive heard his opinions are quite a lot to that since the political regime does opinions are quite a lot of that since the political regime is really bad then you should not associate yourself with it in a new way. Is really bad then you should not associate yourself with it in a new way so i am rather on the side of those members and have so i am rather on the side of those members and heads of engineers who have to work with authorities with the minister of health care with a bit of engineers who have to work with authorities with the minister of health care with a president ial administration with a government that furthers because the need to push their vital questions thats old news rationed with a government that furthers because the need to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people home they defend they will their vital agenda they have to defend those people whom they defend they will continue doing this i will continue doing what i can continue doing this i will continue doing what i can again i have no i have had no meetings with authorities warning me again i have no i have had no meetings with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what im doing so im no longer in the council but to shut up and stop doing what im doing so im no longer in the council but that doesnt change my i would say either logical outlook i still think that the russian state of the doesnt change my i would say either logical outlook. I still think that the russian state apparatus is a big clumsy thing and that it tries to govern everything that apparatus is a big clumsy thing and that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want change we can bypass happens in russia so if we want change we can bypass and live a governmental machine i dont know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is a bit of a governmental machine i dont know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency to control things but indeed an unhealthy tendency to control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurity and rather than it stems from very very very deep insecurity and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures including alexina provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures including alexina are consciously trying to do. I think the russian benefit launch asli trying to do. I think the russian benefit the Russian Society Civil Society would benefit far more from actually the Russian Society Civil Society would benefit far more from actually growing a circuit if way that you just suggest unless you make yourself. A circuit if way that you just suggest unless you make yourself visible you wouldnt be heard how did we manage we visible you wouldnt be heard how did we manage we generally manage to push on the the mystic violence legislation there were some really managed to push on the mystic violence legislation there were some. Im sorry for interrupting you here but you were. Im sorry for interrupting you here but you were provoked defend you were making things a loud but the you were not calling for burning down provoke you defend you were making things now allowed but the youre not calling for burning down the house you know how you are calling for the change in Constitutional Order you were not calling for the house you know how you are calling for the change in Constitutional Order you were not calling for hanging your opponents on the streets. Yeah absolutely hanging your opponents on the streets. Yeah absolutely but i mean there is a difference you would understand why some of the calls like that are but i mean there is a difference you would understand why some of the calls like that would make those people within the on their cultural within the apple that would make those people within the on their cultural within the apple that the culture as we call of these socalled key you know Law Enforcement Intelligence Agency that the culture as we call of these socalled key you know Law Enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would they it would make them feel. Extremely insecure says etc how would they it would make them feel. Extremely insecure well if you are too nice you are not being heard if youre well if you are too nice you are not being heard if you are to grab a cold you scare off not just the floor it is but was if you are to grab a cold you scare off not just the floor it is but was what is more important your own support base because russian Public Opinion in general is at what is more important your own support base because russian Public Opinion in general is at least point a verse to. Violence both point of verse to. Violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting state of things because street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting state of things. Are the street protests in russia are i think the most peaceful on the street protests in russia are i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to have a window broken or a car spread is the face on earth to have a window broken or a car spread is not just doesnt happen its unthinkable. And the same time not just doesnt happen its unthinkable. And the same time when Police Violence happens when states repressions happen we see from the polls from where Police Violence happens when states impressions happen we see from the polls from this its a logical numbers that people more and more does like it sylvanus its a logical numbers that people more and more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be the fruit of russian terrible and here is this distasteful violence which may also be the fruit of russian turbulent history of. Hundreds of years if you like people dont want revolution. Hundreds of years if you like. People dont want revolution nor do they want mass repressions what they do want change they want green nor do they want mass repressions what they do want change they want gradual reform my idea was that this is exactly what we stand for we will reform my idea was that this is exactly what we stand for we are on the council but evidently the Decision Makers have and are on the council but evidently the Decision Makers have a different impression i wouldnt it wouldnt do for me to blame different impression i wouldnt it wouldnt do for me to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he harmed us for some reason. I live for speaking things he speaks so he harmed us for some reason. Or it leads us to the question that they have asked myself from your earlier or. It leaves us with a question that they have asked myself earlier soon and we have been more quiet during the summer so as not to harm the council as a strong suit and we have been more quiet during this summer so as not to harm the council as a structure. My answer at this moment is now we did what weve sold we share. My answer at this moment is now we did what we thought we should be doing and you did it at marring glee and of a lot of passion and with a lot of should and you did it. And of it a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say im a big fan of what youve been doing an intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say im a big fan of what youve been doing all right thank you thats why i am so grateful for your time into our studio once again thank you thank you for sharing thank you thats why i am so grateful for your time into our studio once again thank you for the meeting full conversation its a pleasure to pleasures old mind and that are many in full conversation its a pleasure to pleasures ole mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages culturally yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team hope to syria again same place same time on the worlds apart as for me and the team hope to syria again same place same time on the worlds apart. If there are good tennis and. 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