Transcripts For RT Worlds Apart 20240713

Been writing about that starting is unfair and unjust and thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes to from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the protests themselves have become more broad based its not just professional provides public protest i think the protests themselves have become more broad based its not just professional protesters but kind of a man. Late. It is did it really and certainly the street you mean you pull people to key. Starters no mr is not just just people but what we tend to know now deceased young young people move more because were. At them and they change for literally with the fusion issue with with tomorrow but at. As far as we can judge by bias its a little logical called the data of the generator all composition of people out on the streets is. Also a variable out on the street than a group is analogous to the demographic picture of a society in general the median age is 494050 sure of society in general the median age is 4940. But we do have people who are not as you see professional protests are but we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who have been committed to really going out since the middle of 2000 does not people have been committed to really going out since the middle of 2000 we have a new people out and this is a change and the process is that we have new people out and this is a change and the process that you mentioned is called by scientologists the normalisation of protest and these are human and is called by scientologists the normalization of protest and this is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose the cross is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to connected to it in the human self. Is normal and should and should not be surprised by the states they meet this is revving thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly this is revving thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as as a danger that the attitude of it of authority is. To to progress until recently if this was also pretty busy. Mild mild that in Moscow School i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of street violence was very very low why then the overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such or. All of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such a. Strong police of of the of the of public protests no Strong Police and of of the of the public protests not the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school told the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street that this is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time seems the change in legislation that wars implemented same time if im. Just. One more of a compliment right a. 1000 to the price of. Coal produce became gradually higher more fines became go regularly higher more fines more dawn before more days of a mystery 3 to further arrests and then being famous criminal code article 2 theorists and then being famous criminal code article 2 of 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found during Public Meetings and really as. 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During Public Meetings and religious so the prize was raised by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that was raised by the forward just at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do that what changed easts possibly people can sometimes do that what changed is possibly what you call politicisation of protest so far as protests were seen what you call politicisation of protest so far as protests were seen as local and based on some concrete grievances like as local and based on some concrete grievances like demolition of a building cutting down of far they were seen as permissible ma the demolition of a building cutting down of park they were seen as permissible but the protests of this summer war political in the every sense of the world of the world well the protests of this summer war believe it go in there every sense of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist every pro this is a Political Action because it entails a demand for me as a political scientist every pro this is a Political Action because it entails a demand for bush dissipation for political participation but authorities differentiate for bush dissipation for political participation but authorities differentiate between well kind of social or economic forces for pretty well kind of social or economic forces for protests and political there is nothing more political than elections. Oldest political there is nothing more political than elections and these were about elections so i know when we weve seen this around were about the elections so oh when we weve seen this our own goal of case the participants were not punished off towards the course according to all of the. Participants were not punished off towards the course according to our tradition the worst thing that happens is in the during the really its set to 0 its really the worst thing that happens is not during the really itself not during the march or something but what comes off towards the russian elf not during the march or something but what comes up towards the russian institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best chair and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for a selfimprovement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing strategy for a self improvement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have still faking or at least still faking authentically the still faking or at least still faking authentically the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political or antigovernment protest and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden antigovernment protest and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to keep those parents anymore why is that do you think well that they decided not to keep those appearances any more why is that do you think well their parents are kept in the sense that whatever happens even if we do the parents are clear. Optima sounds that whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about what happens with. The law as it is written like it and we dislike about what happens with. The law as it is written the law is written in such a way that it allows greed. To Law Enforcement the law is written in such a way that it allows greed. To Law Enforcement so we didnt have any well. Specific so we didnt have any well this was a specific early goal regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all curly go regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs well according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs are off the allowable participation in political life has been see that and are all for the allowable participation in political life has been seated and at the same time their Human Rights Council whose feet we are supposed to discount at the same time their Human Rights Council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions ellis has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions elad to that question to ask and the one that they have been asking myself is whether we dont have a question to ask and the one that ive been asking myself is whether we the Council Members who have been so active during those hacked sick summer months how the Council Members who have been so active during those 6 summer months how weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the v. A. Weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the institution that we belong to and tarring on the. We are instead. Mission that we belong to and tarring on its demands should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council in the attack or more far should we have how we have done what we have have none in the you know what i wanted to show our position publicly even given the reste of of what actually have positioned publicly even given the respect of. Well what actually happened now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some of the other members whove been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only the other members whove been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that were dismissed they think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that are dismayed they have of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching out of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reading the retirement age so you can write it off as something that the retirement age you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on that have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the rich asian necessity thats hard to believe well this has been the where all the explanation and i must say that there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and fair because its through a no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary warning warning that ive been doing something over the top and explanation and i must say that there have been no private told. With me i must see it open and fair because its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary warning warning that ive been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although i was at the same time kind of expect that we should have been in a more difficult position it was at the same time kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council been changed on the composition of the council remained had they had of the council been changed the composition of the council remain the same because working with the chairman you dont either logical same because working with the chairman whom you dont either logically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a democratically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institution decisions are made by voting by the majority and we have the will the Institution Decisions are made by voting by the majority and we have the will the active party we did have the majority we could pass our decisions we could pass active but we did have the majority we could pass our decisions we could pass the corporations but at the same time are the powers of the chair of the corporations but at the same time are the powers of the chair is our main. And for example he alone off all the members is our main. And for example he alone of all the members of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux source of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux signed letters to therefore it is declaring our the councils position none of us find letters to therefore it is declaring our the counts. Position model fos could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme plus could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them and the only one said those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically diverse could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically Diverse Society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for inverse society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression than just this someone ceremony is better impression than just this someone ceremony is kicking you out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually you can go out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the your departure or do you think you have to take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the your departure or do you think you have somebody in his close circle who perhaps somebody in his close circle who perhaps thought your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i thought your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i would travel sort of mind that it may become to to the on coming meeting of the council will travel sort of mind that it may become to to the own come. Meeting of the council with the president the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just with the president the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous rim of ation of the council and that was actually the 1st time december after the previous room of asian of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no one asked us what are we going to talk about and then no one asked us what are we going to talk about and i spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same talk by spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meeting you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty civil during the next even you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty. Funny because scientists you know social commentator i mean listen you learn because scientists you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone full of something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on on you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it kills me on you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i dont now again i have an idea that the plan was to print a surprise look i dont now again i have an idea that. That the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness happening any words being spoken during the november and the on pleasantness happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or what may be course next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or would it be course he doesnt like kids maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont plan doesnt like kids maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the Summer Events he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lands after want the summer revenge is he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lens afterwords i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am words i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am. 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More than a financial. More than a financial. Feel. Love. Love to be having difficulty with. Us it could be having difficulty with. Our. Welcome. Welcome back to all the partys base and you can see the short among the political scientist and a former member all from back to all the partys base and you can see the short term and the political scientist and a former member of precious council on the human rights and Civil Society you can take in as you were shown council on the human rights and Civil Society you continue to as you were shown. A few new members were added to the council including my call a kettle of fish and a few new members were added to the council including my call a kettle of fish and skew who spends more than a year in their. Ukrainian prison on charges of treason who spend more than a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and in the case of korea like in the case of former u. S. Prison there might be a buton and in the case of korea like in the case of former u. S. Prison there. The russian liberal or even Human Rights Community it was. The russian liberal or even Human Rights Community it was. More or less subdued and even the council of the tire you serve than it did and more or less subdued and even the council of the tire you served in and didnt raise that case all too loudly dont you think that. Raised a case all too loudly dont you think that this could be seen as a minister station of political bias you know people who are speaking against this could be seen as a minister of political bias you know people who are speaking against their thirties die right protected their cause as a defender but people who are more or less their thirtys die rights are protected their causes are defended but people who are more or less in line with the state policy is that a case is ignored in line with the state policy is that a case is ignored. Or well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic in one of the prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was ignored by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are counted self was ignored by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are Council Members youll see that most of them unlike me ahead of their own n. G. O. S and sole members youll see that most of them unlike me ahead of their own n. G. O. S their public activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing their public activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years so the key war prisoners are lost on display for years so the key war prisoners are lost and displaced persons families of military personnel. Persons family is all of our military personnel are so they all have their own well their own themes too to pursue and some of all they all have their own well their own themes too to pursue and some of this people quite a few of the Council Members are on the topic of the rights of freshness people. Quite a few of the Council Members are on the topic of the rights of russian citizens abroad and the but. I havent met him citizens abroad and the. I havent met him personally but i must say that journalists have been so bitter all members of the personally but i must say that journalists have been so bitter all members of the council during the years of the Council Activity are a lot of quite well known russian soldier ring the years of the Council Activity a lot of quite well known russian journalists and media people who are on the council you are fond of was a journalist some media people were on the council you powerful enough was a member or once i think she was on the side or kin there was also a member. Once i think she was on the side or kin there was also a member so so no. Member of our entrance had out of the commission or more. Information all right so so its you know its not something new but i guess i guess what ive been trying to ask is whether because if youre a very active trying to ask is whether because if youre a very active position on the streets for your daughters and found your dish. Of the of the bill who will hold a which i would argue how to argue have been have been a lot of bull. Or or. To strictly prosecuted. Yes. To strictly prosecuted. Yes yeah absolutely i mean. You know trying to defend yeah absolutely i mean. You know trying to defend what i believe to be the farcical thing he chair of the Russian Court system and. What i believe to be the farcical thing he chair of the Russian Court system and. Sometimes even the pharisee nature is quite contrary to the sometime even the pharisee nature quite contrary to the proclaimed goals but having said that i mean putting that aside dont you think that. Goals but having said that i mean putting that aside dont you think that too much attention to one topic in this case the street product of too much attention to one topic in this case the street products and the the the rides given by the constitution on Public Assembly the. Rides given by the constitution on Public Assembly has skewed the councils attention. From other has skewed the councils attention. From other not less werent they topics the topics where perhaps the state and vast farm were not pleasant werent they topics the topics where perhaps the state in vast far more resources it also wants to be seen as doing something i write also for resources it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect this is the other way around we werent doing a lot of things and what took most of my practice the other way around we werent doing a lot of things and what most of my time and resources during my short stay on the council was not time and resources during my short stay on the council was not. Defending protesters these were these few weeks where we could not if defending protesters these were these few weeks where we could not if we waited paying attention to these people need help immediately during this way to paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months what i most pride myself on as a former Council Member are 23 months what i most pride myself on as a former Council Member are 2 things. 2 directions are exceptions of activists to 1st 1st its a little just play station against the mystic violence and i was one of the core cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legend was one of the core cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and i do think that we made in mainz in progress we came in time we were allowed solution and i do think that we made in mainz in progress we came in time we were like you with a timing like is not the right word but the 2nd constellation the fact help us a lot to do with the timing like is not the right word but the 2nd constellation effect helped us a lot with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say was with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins are organizing a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to tell your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does raise to me actually and to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does raise to me actually perfectly to my next question because i think on these and other problems we should fact millions of chile perfectly to my next question because i think on these and other problems which affect millions of people. The state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more a many people the state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to change than street politics and i understand its a false dichotomy im not change than street politics and i understand its a false dichotomy im not trying to even joy here but isnt it also true that people who are really in the valley trying to even joy here but isnt it also true that people who are really in the vast that into changing rush are no doing that on the streets you say we pay too much into changing rush hour no doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think attention to politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around people who make decisions paid more attention to the other way around people who make decisions made more attention to the fact of you going to a Police Station to meet with detained people than t. The fact of you going to a Police Station to meet with detained people than to any other sort of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not to any other sort of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not is on their side is another her either or im just i guess trying to have a broader and isnt this is another good either or im just i guess trying to have a broader discussion on the war in the ways what the. The better has been the bad and as the most it was the most efficient way of of changing russia im sure you have but at the im sure you have nothing but respect for people like you that fitted for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is not for people like you to fit it for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now a scale. This system of penetration shirish speaker prominent speaking on our special metal scaling the system of television shirish speaker a prominent speaker on our special mass salute and she she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities a little and she she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach you know i think its almost a gender quality because many of the russian apologies speech you know i think its almost a gender quality because many of the Russian Politicians and males with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social titians and males with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who in the vapors are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values do not try to appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values but the rather find their way of working around it im not saying it isnt that bad but rather find their way of working around it im not saying isnt that better in moral terms but isnt that more efficient way of achieving something in russia moral terms but isnt that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty to do for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty difficult if you ask for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked if you ask her for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked for this on the council and actually the best thing ive done for myself is creating this network for us on the council and actually the best thing ive done for myself is creating this network of connection with people on n. G. O. S these are the some of the barack connection with people on n. G. O. S these are the some of the best people in the. Our civic activists on this social side i do hope the people in russia are our civic activists on this social side i do hope the actual most of them are women most of them are women and they are amazing and think that the most of them are women most of them are women and they are amazing and things they do surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her she do surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her shell tell you that were making very slow progress this Mental Institution thing and the legislation will tell you that were making very slow progress this Mental Institution thing and the legislation that they do it is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the page to it is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the president ial director directorate in the president ial administration and our president ial director louis goal directorate in the president ial administration and surprisingly our allies in this specific case the Russian Orthodox church the prize and really our allies in this specific case the Russian Orthodox church but still we cant couldnt till this point move this but still we cant couldnt till this point move this bit of legislation on so its as difficult to define street protesters out of legislation on so its as difficult to define street protesters as to defend no systematically different battle of the position of mantle insisted to found no systematically different battle of the position of Mental Institutions inmates so i dont think that there is one way or the other we see how inmates so i dont think that there is one way or the other we see how for the message it draws your bones she declined to participate in for their message across your bones she declined to participate in moscow. The elections and i think it was one of the best things. To do my life and i think it was one of the best thing because he was also very very critical of the federal authorities and was also very very critical of the federal authorities and faced absolutely no punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mess of face absolutely no punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think thats no moral of her to hide the campaign but thats a feat intended and i think that shermer a lot for authorities to hide the campaign but then that feeds into these long running after it by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicized these long running after it by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize the social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but dont you think there is a basis for the real basis for it give it a trend but dont you think there is a basis for the real basis for it given how the human rights reality has been used and how the human rights ryall has been used politically by russian and do you feel it by russian adversaries. Politically by russian and do you feel it equally by russian adversaries. Im a big fan of cup patient myself and of working with the riches when i am to read into the record i am a big fan of cup patient myself and of working with the riches when i am to risen to the ranks of civil rights com so i heard a lot of things also on social media civil rights com so i heard a lot of things also on social media and generally that im kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that there and generally that im kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you get the joy. In the president ial administration what youre not really spoiler you dont get you get a job in the president ial administration what youre not really a spoiler you dont get paid and that you dont have a proper job or so i wouldnt call myself a victim of a paid and that you dont have a proper job or so i wouldnt call myself a victim of a sort of keeper bulling no never but ive heard his opinions are quite a lot of keeper bulling no never but ive heard his opinions are quite a lot of that since the political regime is really bad then too that seems the political regime is really bad then you should not associate yourself with it in any way so i am rather on the side you should not associate yourself with it in any way so i am rather on the side of those members and heads of n. G. O. S who have 2 of those members and heads of n. G. O. S who have to work with authorities with the minister of health care with the president ial administration with the government of berthas work with authorities with the minister of health care with the president ial administration with the government of berthas because the need to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend has the need to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people home they defend they will continue doing this and those people home they found they will continue doing this i will continue doing what i can i have no i have had i will continue doing what i can am i have no i have had no meetings with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what im doing no meetings with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what im doing so im no longer in the council but that doesnt change my i would say either so im no longer in the council but that doesnt change my i would say either logical ah. Outlook i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big clumps a logical outlook i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big and clumsy thing and that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want a thing and that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want change we can bypass the governmental machine arent change we can bypass and live a governmental machine i dont know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy i dont know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency to control things but it stems from very very very tough and then see to control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurity and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many a very deep insecurity and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures including alexina are consciously trying to do the opposition figures including alexina are consciously trying to do. I think the russian ban of the Russian Society Civil Society would. I think the russian benefit the Russian Society Civil Society would benefit far more from actually growing a circuit if way that a benefit far more from actually growing a circuit if the way that you just suggest unless you make yourself visible you would do you just just unless you make yourself visible you wouldnt be heard how did we manage we generally manage to push on the can be heard how do we manage we generally manage to push on the the mystic violence legislation there were some. Sort of Domestic Violence legislation there were some. Sort of more. Do you hear but you were provoking tiffany you were making things more interactive you here meant you were provoking tiffany you were making things a loud but the you were not calling for burning down the house you know how you are calling for the loud but the youre not calling for burning down the house you know how you are calling for the change in Constitutional Order you were not calling for hanging your opponents on the street changing the Constitutional Order you were not calling for hanging your opponents on the streets. Yeah absolutely but i mean there is a different you know that you know there is yeah absolutely but i mean there is a different you would understand why some of the calls like that would make those people you would understand why some of the calls like that would make those people within the on their cultural within the apple that the culture as we call of these socalled slow within the on their culture within the apple that the culture as we call of these socalled syllabi key you know Law Enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would they would mill of a key you know Law Enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would they it would make them feel extremely and secure well if you like them feel. Extremely insecure well if you are too nice you are not being heard if you are too radical you scrutinize your not being heard if you are too radical you scare off not just the floor it is but was what is more important your own support base here all of not just the 4 it is but was what is more important your own support base because russian Public Opinion in general is at least point of verse to you because russian Public Opinion in general is at least point of verse to. Violence both street violence and state violence and this is violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting state of things. Are the street protests in the very interesting state of things. Are the street protests in russia are i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to invite our i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to have a window broken or a car screeched is not just doesnt happen its on have a window broken or a car screeched is not just doesnt happen its unthinkable. And the same time when Police Violence happens one state thinkable. And the same time when Police Violence happens when states repressions happen we see from the polls from this its a logical numbers that people to oppressions happen we see from the polls from this its a logical numbers that people more and more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence we want more and more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be the fruit of russian turbulent history of the. 100 may also be the fruit of russian turbulent history of. Hundreds of years if you like people dont want lucia nor do they want mass repressions of years if you like people. I dont want to lucia nor do they want mass repressions what they do want change they want gradual reform my idea what they do want change they want gradual reform my idea was that this is exactly what we stand for we are on the council but this is exactly what we stand for we are on the council but evidently the Decision Makers have a different impression i would evidently of the Decision Makers have a different impression i wouldnt it wouldnt do for me to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he it wouldnt do for me to blame me for speaking things you speak so he harmed us for some reason. Or it leaves us with us for some reason. Or. It leads us to the question that they have asked myself early shouldnt we have been more quiet during the question that they have asked myself earlier shouldnt we have been more quiet during the summer so as not to harm the consul as a structure. My answer this summer so as not to harm the consul as a structure. My answer at this moment is now we do what we thought we should do and you did it at this moment is now we did what we thought we should do and you did it at marring glee and of a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity admiringly and of a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say im a big fan of what youve been doing that you know as well i am so grateful for you see i have to say im a big fan of what youve been doing thank you thats why i am so grateful for your time into our studio once again thank you for the meeting full conversation its a pleasure im going to our studio once again thank you for the meeting full conversation its a pleasure to pleasures all mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers care to pleasures all mind and hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team hope to syria keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team hope to syria again same place same time on worlds apart. Again same place same time on worlds apart. During the Great Depression which. During the Great Depression which im old enough to remember there was most of my family were unemployed or. Old enough to remember there was and most of my family were unemployed or. Other wasnt it was bed in a much worse objective listen today but there was a other wasnt it was bed you know much worse subjectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. There was a real sent an expectation that things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hopefulness there isnt today todays america was shaped by the ton piece of hopefulness there isnt today todays america was shaped by the turn principles of concentration of wealth and power. Principles of concentration of wealth and power. 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