Disentangling from the European Union and the reality of the matter is that even if we proceed on a linear path without any problems the detail of the negotiation is likely to hang over britain for the next 10 years so we see that a broad implication ways of our constitutional crisis i dont agree with the speaker was blocking anything its conventional parliamentary. Custom in practice that you cannot simply reintroduce bills that youve already lost in the house of commons unless theres some way substantively well and i mean less and less sure everybodys cosin lesser to resume ok i mean come on all right i mean that happened in that case here david let me go to you here i mean i can i can i can i do i take leaves point very well ok and it is very complicated but these people are in power its their job to do this ok you dont have to have sympathy or cry on their shoulder or you know all the drama no thats their job do it do what theyre the people voted they have to do it with the the that the mandate was passed in the they have to move forward im sorry its complicated thats get out of office and let somebody else do it go ahead david yeah but its actually really not complicated at all we were given to given a choice to you or me or leave the European Union in this country to leave europe in union unless. Thinking that the last 3 and a half years plus has exposed is the fact that our heart and is essentially opposed to the will of british people in 26. 00 think. That the original question you pose the whole gregson negotiate experience lets call it the bricks of experience issue and a complete dismal failure of democracy in the u. K. And so many people have started to wonder well look if we vote on ok the elites dont like what we fought for d but we win the vote and they then and then they spend 3 plus years. Doing Everything Possible to avoid it then what message does that send to the state of democracy in this in this country i believe what it shows is weve got a Rotten Parliament weve got a rotten media weve got a rotten corporate capitalist class out there and all of these people are inspired to deny the will of the people but guess what were not going to be tonight and we will leave the European Union well and so we wont take your. Lead but we actually with you know i dont even know if id come over to her but if i was some sort all up ok now when i say i met here its because the people voted weve gone through this entire process here we watched all lot of it on television and i can tell you as an american i actually enjoy watching the debate in the house of commons its its the entertainment and entertaining in its own way all right but on the ladder after all of this debate they still cant get to the end to get past the goalpost ok because leave to set it but they wont why alexander let me go ahead. Well i think when people say that this is all too complicated and is bizarre and so on and we go all these complicated rules the truth is that there are lots of people in britain particularly within the police equal clause who never actually accepted the decision to leave there was a referendum leave one but a lot of people who belong to remain have never really accepted it and i think that what we see happening in parliament increasingly is not so much a desire to sort out the many complicated problems that involve leaving the European Union which to be very clear on resolvable it is rather an attempt to prevent the hope process happening at all and that is what is causing the quinces that is why you have got to ation where there is as i said growing anger and a impasse and the constitution is now in facie extraordinary stresses ok we didnt want to jump in dont know that they had liefer here are dick look you know the country voted to self harm itself politicians are politicians have come to the challenge of how do we facilitate a democratic mandate that these injuries to our constituents is right everybody agrees that short term mid term long term its going to have an Economic Impact on the country so they struggle with those issues try to well let me finish to try and make sense where you dont find somebody who says im about to commit suicide and ive done it by democratic vote youre talking about him by saying you know can we just let you get on with it please so ive got all this for me to get proud im going to do this during the british usage of or not just ring. For your suicide. Ok. All right look i think it is economic suicide a big economic suicide i think the country voted to cut its own Economic Growth i think it was just like in the banks it was like to we were all like so we came to a wrong conclusion space all misinformation and the reality is that employees who lost struggling with the decision that its against the National Interest on a contract thats right its not going to be an easy decision lets go to date without again lets go to garbage out fast go ahead do it what we just hit her really is the hysteria that comes from being a sore d loser leak things he knows better than 17400000 people listen late i dont think i know better youre right i do think i know better because 17400000 people got up 3 calmly believing it ok to talk me to im all right you think if you think you know thats a show where we interrupt so i think i can talk you down go ahead of it david go at it oh like if this is the way its going to be proceeded usually shot across me then im not going to continue david. What are you so the point is the defeat of your ultimate the laysan of 5 this hosa parliament is a roumanian heise of parliament but the uniting just known this uncertainty that now that is just ridiculous youve got people even a tall matola rees who are very supportive go ahead well david keep going keep going to. Get of talking over well not working me late so this is like you know the economy is a really Enter Parliament leave u. K. A lot of mid late people likely just cant get over the fact that they lost and he will keep losing and so what im also not a very pragmatic what i want actually is to execute it so if youre going to operate and in a way that you doesnt harm people. I dont think. I dont think thats treachery of the last campaign but weve got to get the best possible job we can do is it started to be to talk what would be you know do you understand something simple the sound of debian is listening to each other sorry. Its called crossover the show is called its an interventionist debate homestead youre welcome to interventions i mean to meaning it over me in not allowing me to extend an argument to understandably that you know that you know im a little echo chamber of your own anymore but im here knowing the way to sell this. How a general election he did it i agree lets talk about people all im saying is right let people speak both bomb of books what do you disagree all right on that point gentlemen were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on the brags that saga stay with r. T. During the Great Depression which almost remember there was most of the family were working class there wasnt it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation of the things were going to get better. 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Ok lets go back to alexander in london well as you saw in the 1st part of the program its very contentious here and it remains to be and nothings really changed since the referendum it kind of reminds me how democrats think about Hillary Clinton in 2016 topic for another program but alex. What about you know im very interested in how institutions are. Being affected by all of this you know and and you know the whole russia gate trump and brags that you know they do have commonalities where you do have. A deep state and im not trying to be used in a per were george have way characters that have a vested interest in the status quo that it works for them ok but what about lets say the Political Parties i mean Jeremy Corbin is suffered tremendously during this entire process basically because he hasnt really taken a very hard stand at least thats my opinion from my perch so far away and the tories they dont pull this off theyre they are in there are going to be in the dustbin of history i mean this is been disastrous for the establishment the who wants to keep the status quo go ahead alex. Well well if i can say i think what we just heard on this program is the point that i made at the beginning people are getting more angry and our political system is at an impasse because some people will not accept the decision of the 2016 referendum and of course that is creating a political crisis of course it is creating instability and if i may make a further point when people talk about economic harm the greatest possible economic so far you can do to a country is to destabilize its political system so that it is impossible any longer either for decisions to be made or for Political Parties to function properly germy called in the labor party have a very Ambitious Program which they wish to implement Going Forward no gritty is discussing that because the labor party has been taken over in effect why those people within it who do not want to see the britain leave the European Union and the result is that the labor Party Instead of discussing its program is constantly involving itself in all sorts of devices to ensure that britain remains within the European Union the result is it is bleeding support and hes not able to push you a coherent message the same is true in some ways of the conservative party it too is fracturing yeah the best way to address these problems is to implement the referendum result store using this melodramatic language about people committing suicide because that is frankly. Exaggerated and you. Same here to walk that has no connection to reality and then to deal with whatever problems arise in the process and move forward britain has only been in the European Union for a comparatively short on in its history it existed as a major power before it can become a successful country all for. Ok well it was a very go ahead jump in david go ahead if i can actually build in the very interesting point so the alexanders mitt i think the reality is that rex it is kind of redefined what has been traditional british politics and so its not a no longer a right left argument its essentially a bracks it argument once again of what our son has just said the toilet is nowhere in the polls its almost melting down thats why as you said peter if the conservatives conservatives do not deliver their goals and thats why in the lead there was a decided to be the new liberal to kemah credit for exodus redefining everything and so its only when we actually get a satisfactory conclusion to bracks but if you like normal politics will resume and i think thats been the the of the thing that has sort of seeped into the political psyche across the United Kingdom and so thats what the resolution of rex it actually will define Everything Else but you dont get away with talking about it being at leavers exciting marxist agenda or being foresters desire to have more teachers and doctors and nurses none of the cuts through you believe until bracks it is resolved you know only if you get in watching the debates and watching all of the drama and everything. On the face of it i can agree with you a good deal but if there is it would ever be good enough deal i mean it seems to me thats the excuse i mean im talking to leave right now it seems to me the the they keep moving the goalpost might be opposed you know this is not a good enough deal not a good enough deal because they dont want to deal i mean if that from the outside looking in thats what it looks like to me its always ok we agree but its always but and then if you get this paralysis am i wrong and seeing it that way we go ahead. Nah i think that the referendum is a fair reflection of the views of people in the country i think that parties are split tory and labor are split on the implications are a total drain on confidence on Democratic Institutions in the United Kingdom i think that the balia to resolve these matters whatever ones d view is one that invites a kind of politics that i think well all come to bitterly regret for a long time i think britain has felt itself inculcated from the sort of european style fascism and racism that weve seen elected in many countries around europe i think that could change i think it is changing and the longer that this matter remains on resolved the more likelihood we are for communities who when daleys made on that we leave without no deal begin to feel the economic consequences of that wont be blaming the houses of parliament not of politicians theyll be looking for an extreme alternative and that invites people like nigel for arjen of the extreme elements within british politics maybe to gain electoral advantage bob just say this by way of the sort of this utterly naive assumption that there is an easy thing to do to leave the euro peon union as if 40 years of economic ties and deep. Regulator e procedure in legislation can be as made as if the Northern Ireland border question can be solved just like the these are deeply difficult questions and the kind of punch and judy politics that we see played out in the referendum just doesnt lend itself to the realities of the modern world and as much as people will say well its hysterical language i think that everybody agrees that the consequences for britain will be some economic harm what some options will be worse than. But everybody agrees were going to take a step back and i we really going to sit as men of my age im 60 now and tell our grandchildren that we we doused britain in an economic an inferno or because we didnt like the polish guy 78 test goals i mean i think its bizarre one its not its not a decision. Intellect yes made on emotion yeah. Let me go down as enemy curious but i mean ok fine people voted for it weve been talking about it for over 3 years ok. Does anybody really know exactly whats going to happen when it happens no but you guys you know you made it this far in history you made it this far news story and i have a lot of faith in the in that and britain and the people of britain i think you can handle it i think you can handle it im ok david youve got a job and go ahead david jump in weve actually managed you know all those years as a as a treat as a free country so i mean a certain years of british history disappears because i wont be nearly a year for example rightly so theyre relatively short a short 40 years but demonstrates to me and said youre a toxic European Union is on high and prudent of british people were to say we want out and you know if some people cant accept that and some people never will its because their loyalties in brussels not to not to or to to the United Kingdom but just to all we need to do a little and not just as bad as saying theyre all bricks its a racist i dont believe it and i dont believe people are in a position about why they are all conspiratorial oppositionists dont believe i think that its an enormous yeah but let me let me go to Alexander Point me go now xander make errors here alex to see this is an interesting point we just heard here i mean it seems to me and im not choosing sides at this moment my question is neutral here but both sides have made the whole discussion about brags that toxic. Because it has become toxic its very difficult to come back from that ok and i was really worried about that irrespective of how the brigs a question goes you have a toxic political discourse and its really going to be difficult to move away from it alexander macarius in london. This is exactly true and can i just make a further point that of course if we we all risk of seeing a wrong is in political extreme extreme ism in britain how do you find political extremism you fully strengthen Democratic Institutions how do you strengthen Democratic Institutions nor by insisting on sorry 8 referendum results that seems to me an elementary that is elementary Democratic Politics you may disagree profoundly with a decision that the british people made in 2016 you may think it was wrong in many respects but in a democracy is that is what people to salute to do then you implement it and if it turns out wrong or it turns out validly well you deal with that too and then you are in a much stronger position to deal with any concern and you very or dangerous person needs that appear on the scene afterwards ok im going to get the last 4 i can still eat because i want everything to be balanced here legally had 42nd look i hear that i dont think all those who support bricks are all fascist racist and i dont think those who oppose it all you know conspiracy always against the referendum result i think that we had a very simple question referendums are not a good way to govern a country and in the end weve got a very simple binary response to an enormously complex question i think that weve all got to step back from the heat and say you know what we could to do whats in the National Interest for our children. In our countrys future and if we can do that then maybe we can get a deal that we can all live with but at the moment the toxicity of bricks a aesop in the democratic reputation integrity of britain and i agree you strengthen Democratic Institutions in relation to high i have to admit ive been your i have to jump you are gentlemen weve run out of time here many thanks to my guests in london and in belfast and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on key see you next time and remember cross talk rules. Facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark side. They are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real its detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character that you type into the search bar it will always favor one dog food over another one comparative Shopping Service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results on what they think you should be seen if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and Fair Election doesnt exist the more growth we give them the sooner we all. During the Great Depression which im old enough to remember there was most of my family were unemployed. There wasnt it was bed you know much worse objective listen today but there was an expectation of the things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hope. There isnt today todays america where shape by the turn principles of concentration of wealth and power. 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