People in my file was just next door people there know that even if there is a Public Interest in revealing the information they have no right to do so i have no right to do so and in this day and age where you know were talking about you know social justice and accountability and transparency you know these this doesnt set a good example above them beyond the legal. Inability for anyone to whistle blow they threatened you. They threatened your marriage and its exposed here that they wanted to deport you or as an act of revenge when you make sure he had already applied for asylum yes which was denied. Yes and thats when you married him yes and did he pay you absolutely no im sorry i dont mean to upset you its just that your husband is muslim in the prosecution will be looking for a motive my motive. Was to stop who and save lives i failed now that i actually wasnt retaliation and it may look like that in the film but what happened was he was an Asylum Seeker in the k. It had been denied and so his case was moving forward in parallel to my case its actually an amazing coincidence that had i not been facing criminal prosecution at the time he would have been deported so its actually quite a. Nice bit of Silver Lining to this whole issue and do we move francos it is you wrote the memo that you exposed no i hasnt come out although there was a rather bizarre incident when we were in San Francisco about a time this year and after the screening we had a q. And a and there was this question and this this sort of slightly bent out of the figures that you may find that frank is hiding in plain sight this is the guy who said to send emails saying the u. N. Security Council Members who didnt of. The black man to support an illegal war. Jews think that do you think that today they would try and psychologically destroy a whistle blow dry just open the British Government trying to sex the case for war i dont see why they would do things differently i mean the. You know they sample of the iraq war the build up to the iraq war the propaganda the lies have all been exposed now you know there were no weapons of mass destruction the un didnt authorize the invasion of iraq therefore the war is illegal but theyre still trying to 6 extraordinary that theyre still trying to defend. We employed to do i translated signals intelligence and i reported anything i thought might be of interest to my clients the Foreign Office the ministry of defense so you work for the British Government no not really no governments change i work for the british people so if they can get away with it then surely they think they can get away with it now i dont think it will change anything what was the impact in those rotating members of the Un Security Council countries like chile which of course the british back to pinochet did have a big impact. I think it did i mean yeah certainly in chile the chilean ambassador at the time he was very very distraught that you know this relationship he thought. Chile had repaired with the United States you know this they had open trade negotiations and all the rest of it. And to see that they were still doing this sort of thing decades after they had you know at kryten. Created a coup in chile. You know supported a very. Appalling dictator that this sort of thing was still carrying on we know in effect from greg dyke the former director general that he was. Thrown out of the b. B. C. Effectively for doubting the reasons for the iraq war for david over the head of g. H. Q. Pursue david kelly. Arguably a whistleblower who of course died how do you think the film portrays would we do invite him all is the director of editorial policy now at the b. B. C. And in the film is shown to be someone who says your story should be recovered i think you know in any news room i feel that you know its right and proper for people to have different opinions and i think has position as perfectly clear you know he wanted to state the to be the sort of devils advocate as you like because everybody was so keen to get the story out here. Its just warning them you know. Just be careful this could be could be fraudulent however you know is it right and proper for a reporter to take sides on a war and that is what he i believe his position was at the time i think as a reporter you should always try to remain as. Unbiased as possible so that you can actually you know see things from a balanced point of view when its clear in the film that you didnt leak the memo deliberately to the Guardian Media groups prowar observer newspaper you know it just ended up at the newspaper that supported the war yeah yeah i mean thats kind of ironic really but its a credit to the observe and roger alton who was the at us or at the time that despite the fact that they were probable they still printed this expose which was very much showing you know showing it to be antiwar from that particular presentation during the delay in publishing it helped to create this circumstances in which britain went to war in iraq in a you never know do you i mean this is the own one of the things im slightly regretful of that they have to go to such Great Lengths in in authenticating it what happens when that information is out you know that information comes out. The m. P. s and you know various members of the civil service. They are then privy to that information you know it is from that information that they can act and we have we havent seen any evidence that they acted on that information and that is what disappoints me given journey blair as to will or that bunch of people wanting the war in iraq to newer more worried about you exposing the floor in the official secrets act or exposing the fact what they were doing was tantamount to. Facilitating the supremum war crime under the u. N. Charter i mean we dont now i dont object to being asked to connect information that could help prevent a terrorist attack. The object is being to get the intelligence to help fix a vote at the u. N. And deceive the world into go into or it could be both you know i mean on the one hand they wanted to set an example of me they didnt want to have Intelligence Officer on under crossexamination. They dont want the official secrets act to have a defense perhaps i dont know and but ultimately i i really think it had something to do with the attorney generals advice or goldsmith yes is now a pundit on many programs talking about whether we should go to war in syria with iran is these are all very rehabilitated people which is a shame nothing will be rectified if these people are not held to account arguably you were luckier than other reveal a solve a legit war crimes unit is is in jail in london but the United Nations repertoire on torture an arbitrary detention different operators have come out in favor Chelsea Manning of course is in in jail again refusing to. Destroyed. Julian is. Things actually worse than when you were a whistleblower while they may or may not be worse but thats certainly not any better i mean i think. We this is an issue that is absolutely crucial it is an issue that needs addressing we cannot have democracy when we lock up and throw away the keys of the people who are trying to bring illegality immorality. Crimes and fraudulent behavior. Into the Public Domain i mean that is not a transparent liberal democracy that we are supposed to be living in but it wasnt long ago that there was a war vote in syria David Cameron tried to bring it lots of tony blairs old people in the new liberal new york part of the global labor party theyre all still there making the case for war hilary benn do you think this film going to convince them so im going to rip it for me maybe i really think that cant be a more timely moment for this film to come out and thats why im you know spending a lot of time trying to promote the film because i really think people need to wake up and and revisit the issues of iraq what took us into iraq and and actually you know i think seriously about what one of the National Interests i mean where we say we do things in the National National interest of National Security invading iraq has neither improved National Security nor benefited on National Interest of visual secrets is gone thank you thank you barcelona are on fire as spain jails democratically elected politicians for 100 combined years with defacto e. U. Backing we speak to a lawyer for one of the politicians being hunted down and a member of the pro got a loan youre broke you as angry all the civil go about to have going underground. Do elections mean anything anymore well the ukrainians have a new president and a new parliament but change comes slowly if at all in ukraine corruption in your nazis long before. There are no official statistics in india concerning children who have been lost or separated from their parents some to estimate that everything in its in the country the child goes missing. Looking at. The National HumanRights Commission stated that 44. 00 sounds of mine has gone missing every year one of the police quoted. The United NationsChildrens Fund has described the situation as genocide and various sources suggest that in india there are several 1000000 missing women and children. What politicians do. They put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Some want to be. Actually going to be for the survival of korean cant be good. Im interested always in the water. Question. Welcome back while black city has continued to accuse u. K. Media of a remain agenda the violence of pro e. U. Governments to be continues unabated with barcelona on fire in recent days after the mass jailing of democratically elected government politicians im joined now by skype from inverness by the former s n b m b for example monaghan who supports catalonia independence paul thanks for coming on the show what have you made of these alarming pictures perhaps not given that much promotion on some of the mainstream channels the pictures a bus load or so. Its absolutely terrific this the images that were seeing a lot of the on social media from barcelona and other cities as well across scotland tulloch on i think particularly badly affected by the brutality of the spanish authorities. I think its starting to consider the speed of democracy within the e. U. Is treating peaceful people and not sort of way and i think many many people are disappointed by what they see the Spanish Government says the catalans should have called a referendum on the land wonderland the new European Commission president is dismissed god alone is not a political problem when any pay a piece from spain couldnt turn up in the because they were in jail kind of on the outflow is a political problem a problem for the sponsors government is a political problem for the European Union to say its a political problem for the United Nations as well we have to be very clear here that the people of scotland yeah us with any other people anybody else in the world absolute right to determine the sort of government that they want to. Control their society the people of very strong views about this ive been there i was placing the directly to them on the 1st of october 22nd team i spoke with confluence across their country and there was a significant determination that they wanted to control their own destiny they wanted to be fully of telling us selfgovernment theyve got a right to make a decision they had a right to have a referendum the spiders authorities i think are being pedantic an extreme by saying that its up to each of the spanish constitution if thats the case the spanish constitution needs to be changed to reflect International Law and i think that the European Union needs to start to consider the right state in the idea of all rights of peoples opinion and start to be a little bit more vocal of us this is a mall this fall. Government on the treatment is currently meeting at 2 european such as it was the idea that. Confluence can be elected to the European Parliament and then be diffused the right to take their seat i think it reflects very badly in the European Union the current leadership of the particular quality i think needs to take a long hard look at their behavior to please their their views of. The rights of the people half the you are there when the illegal referendum the will of the people was in that catalonia how do you think some of the politicians are being jailed or going to be reacting to the thing in total 100 years was meted out to these elected politicians dont show the new any of them its not general franco is it talk think. Certainly playing a role in what were seeing today in. Barcelona crops in particular how man and do you know some of the politicians that are not in jail i would question whether it was an illegal referendum ive said already that confluence have a right to determine their own future noxon shined an International Law and i think International Law all words usurps domestic law so they have a right to hold it i thought it done they have a right to exercise democratic free. To geo people for having done and i think reflects very badly on the spot of government. All those in jail and i would be thinking i think they will take the view view that they are standing up for their country their standing up for rights it is a price worth paying feed off that doesnt come cheap ok but in fronts 10 deaths have been linked to the g. L. A. Zone protests in catalonia hundreds and hundreds of arrests what does the e. U. Have to do to make you say you know what the s. N. P. Should be supporting brain. That well i dont think they simply will a person who are not and i would be very disappointed to view the european cone shaped is a significant social and for that we should all place one of the significant achievements of the European Union has called today is the fact that it has been all peace to you but its only one or perhaps 2 generations ago that a duty was fighting there was total war across europe we would all losing folly members weve all lost family members not complex so the fact that we moved away from not that we all living peacefully together are they way to be achieved in a call you dont call the war in yugoslavia in europe a war you think youre between a peace i think compared with the total war of the 2nd world war i think we have left in peace and weve been fortunate to work towards a and what were seeing today in countries like spain. Perhaps elsewhere shouldnt necessarily tarnish our views of the european cochaired i think what a should do here is it invites us to plays our position with and you know what the utopian leadership is doing and the demands that already people are placing upon them we have any. Rights we want them to be recognized and point out people wants to target or in future we must recognize them are how hard it should be for some people as a right that should be exercised and can be exercised and should be treated with respect not responded to with horrific levels of violence ok just finally and briefly though ironically Scottish Independence though is going to. Be the cause of it is going to benefit from the brics a debate nigel for things not going to vote for Boris Johnsons deals basically hasnt brecks it and the whole debate over it its bricks it thats pay the. A for Scottish Independence the Scottish Independence movement has been running now current 300 years just over i think canada is fueled by a tax cut you know scotland wants to be part of the European Union and wants to be a hollow you can trust a partner to other european nations we want our views to be respected and you know we are determined to push forward with our time when the westminster government is doing everything it possibly can to ignore the future of scotland and to make sure that we have no say whatsoever in our future democracy oh man thank you well scotland has been providing sanctuary to the former cabinet occasion as the current 1000 joining me now from glasgow is a defense lawyer amar on the walk thanks so much afa coming back on thorough what did you make of the 100 is of said that this is against democratically elected well this is that spain and what does it mean for your client the elderly patient minister i think is an outrageous sentence not entirely unexpected but exposes the spanish Justice System is being deeply flawed we had described during the original case for claudio that the spanish system Justice System in the sunny state stood accused of operating the operate in political persecution that these individuals important trial was politically motivated done it was an act of political vengeance we have seen acts of violence perpetrated by the police by but the cattle on please and by the Spanish State on the Spanish Police all in hundreds of thousands of individuals who got to peacefully without violence and we saw that on october the 1st the actions of the state come as no surprise we are no preparing for a new International Extradition warrant to be applied for against caught up in the city and we intend to robustly defend that because we believe that she will not receive to process we will leave like the 9 cats alliance and presently sentenced to over 100 Years Imprisonment for carrying out the democratic will the democratic mandate of the gotland people we expect carter would not also would not receive a fair trial and we believe that this would be get again in the. An act of political vengeance perpetrated by the Spanish State well we invite the spanish ambassador on the show is it going to help that the president of the European Unions European Commission or zuma vonda plan appears to be saying that the jailing of e. U. Politicians is not a political issue presumably paving the way for your client the former Education Minister and others to go to the European Court of what the European Court what fortune fortunately we have a separation of powers and in the belgian courts in the german courts and we had hoped to test it this last year in the in the Scottish Court sided with the spanish decided to withdraw the warrants but the courts already have shown that they are willing to stand up that the rule of law applies that we believe in human rights and right throughout europe in the only scene places doesnt seem to apply of course was in it within spain so its not really a question of the u. A. E. President i have to say the European Union and most of most of the leaders have been complicit in their silence or worse than complicit in silence they have provided active support for the Spanish State when they have carried out violence and i think actually its a very dangerous moment for the European Union because who are they they act with complete utter hypocrisy to point fingers other countries outside the European Union but they dont have the guts and they dont have the dignity and the respect for the rights of people within the European Union to simply point out to the spine to say stop acting like franco on stage stop acting in a manner that you are doing because you have ignited the flames that cannot be extinguished no but its no longer a question of if but its a question of when catalonia will be free because there is no other solution the people are out on the streets on the spanish cannot jail 2345000000 cattle and theyre not going back into their houses theyve had enough and in the history of catalonia says itself where 9 out of 11 catalan president s over the last 100 years have been jailed exiled or executed it shows exactly the way that spain deals with catalonia and the catalan people and enough is enough as you say barcelona has been on fire. Your client the education for education and supplier of uncited says she wants the end of the spanish occupation soldiers in catalonia and amnesty to Political Prisoners and the referendum and those demands only ever going to really be met on the streets of catalonia off the streets of oslo while power rests with the people and i would say theres ive seen with horror in recent days that tension has been diverted to the fires attention has been diverted to try and split the movement to try and blame individuals on the streets and ill say this if you and i as a criminal defense Lawyer Police officers of course have a right to use force but it has to be reasonable legitimate and proportionate and when it is not reasonable legitimate a proportion of people have a right to selfdefense but what we have seen on a huge scale time and time again in catalonia and hundreds of thousands of people acted civil disobedience act with restraint and act with nonviolence yet what we see is an orgy of violence unleashed by the Spanish State by them also its under the control of the Spanish State upon these people and yet we do not see that being condemned at the end of the day is amnesty for the cattle and prisoners the right of return for political exiles and if so if the people demand it then for there to be a vote on an agreement by spain because what do they do what exactly are they scared of you know they do not own the cattle on people they are not their slaves and we saw in this country in the United Kingdom what we had a peaceful referendum and whether the conservative party like to or not they allowed a referendum to take place in scotland because the mandate was from the Political Parties within scotland for the right to vote for independence and the parallel solutions parallel analogy i can draw is thats the idea that it to morrow nicholas sturgeon didnt get a section 30 order allowing her the right to vote for independence from Boris Johnson and if nicolo went ahead with the vote anyway the idea is this that in a few weeks time if nicolas sturgeon was then to find herself in a prison up in scotland to have half the cabinet in scotland in prison and for a after actually after Boris Johnson had sent in 15000 members. The metropolitan police to batson people to the ground to use Water Cannons and to use plastic bullets and then we find his Office Scottish government in prison and the other half in exile and you know seeking sanctuary in European Countries yet that is the reality that we see in the heart of europe and what the practice is that spain has operate today they have reverted shamefully back to the days of general franco and enough is enough they and they should be suspended from the European Union for their actions and they should be taught a lesson because if we do not raise our voices now one of the european leaders do not act then they have no right to point the finger of blame anybody else outside the European Union because it is complicit with it silent and his utter hypocrisy thank you thank you but to finish over about 136 is the way the usa was arguably defeated neven and when around 250. 00 foot soldiers were killed by anti and very little militants in beirut they do it us rejoinder whether taking the tribes or media dont forget to subscribe to our you tube channel. 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