Deep commitment or understanding of it i would take a slightly different tack with respect to the right wing neo nazi element in ukrainian politics it exists it has an outsized influence but i dont think it is really the thing that is preventing change right now i think the thing that is preventing change in ukraine is the v. Weakness of ski and specifically driven by his need to feel loved he wants to be loved by everyone thats but thats not ok thats a personal agenda but thats not a political agenda exactly my point my point so there is no political agenda my point is what i brought up because he did visibly change ok and now we have we have a lot of mixed language ok i mean he he wants peace with russia he wants some kind of resolution with the donbass he has to Pay Lip Service to you to crimea though its very i think everyone knows that when we lose it we paid lip service to it and you know and then you have his western backers that want him to start making decisions to resolve this conflict but he cant hes paralyzed is it him or as weve already heard its the institutions that are well i think the main problem is understanding you know the west respond to these victories through reasons which is the answer is we create where it was the fact that people were tired of the war was also. This division in Ukrainian Society petro described very well in his articles in fact ukraine is divided between the west which wants to join the European Union and nato and the east which did not change much just by changing the narrative all of that western media if you you know the western media just forgets what do rule 5 or 6 years ago look at their articles they confirm them that the east of ukraine traditionally vaults for a different candidate than that when you look over their president they want they dont want to be a part of russia i mean. Some of the eastern regions but they definitely asked professor petro ruled this year they definitely dont want to be a part of a country horsetail to russia and the west just doesnt want to understand it instead they interpreted it in. Again someone young again someone who vote against putin is really terrified of who should be terrified because the russians will be jealous. In that wonderful man and they will topple putin you know what do we what about the oligarchs were going to say you know you get ahead of me were going to talk about corruption here but its very very interesting because i know you follow media very closely isnt it really interesting that the whole ukraine narrative in western media starts in 2016 nobody wants to go back to the 1014 years old its as if it didnt even happen exactly and well i thought i personally think that whats happening now is something that is understated nobody talks about it in the media is that the oligarchs are really calling the shots in ukraine i dont know how much it has to do with the institutional weakness i am sure that thats a big part of it but they all the guards they tend to wield a tremendous amount of power that is excessive too to what they should have compared to like the power of the people the vote at. And understand how this could possibly happen and it makes me wonder why zelinsky when he came into power he didnt say ok were going to were going to clean house were going to lay down the law we have a mandate from the people to clean up and were going to stop this funding of the for example battalion which is i dont understand why theyre down there i dont know if theyre actually integrated into the. You know openly. Interesting thing you want to read well. Robert mentioned 3 things that contribute to the mainstays of power all of the executive which now is the executive in the legislative branch together has precedence power and then there are the institutions of government which exist to surround the deep state. I dont know if i want to go ok. I dont want to have the area of. The problem is that. The institutions are we have always been weak and this goes back to even before ukraines independence theres never been strong institutions in the sense of being independent in ukraine. Then this has been played off the divisions between east and west through the alternating of power in the Political Branches but now we have this Political Branch but we dont have a real leader we dont have a leader because the person and his party dont stand for anything people voted for them not because of anything that they promised or what they said there was no agenda there was no history they promised to bring some peace and everyone who promised you want everybody promised but it was an empty push and go go ok well thats thats kind of my question at the end of the last one but if thats what the people want is peace why arent these leaders why is this a list you know its a weak institutions and that really we can solution will be executive. Leaves the oligarchy to play but the oligarchy are a bunch of stray cats they pull in every direction that they can and it appears from the outside that certain oligarchy have certain levers and certain agendas which are not governmental agendas their personal agendas i dont probably say that Certain Companies and individuals the problem with that are sure and it was he was the lead or low garc but that at least offered some direction to the country if not structure and what we have now is the absence of an executive and the oligarchs are rife and at play right now so what do you mean democracy for d m well i think they have to basically of what we see is completely contrary to all the western narrative because they promised in 2014 that this is the new ukraine there were the same words used which are they using now fortunately so great you know he was brought to power by these poor people evolution in which by the way 8 policemen were killed and 5 government buildings burned down sometimes together with people inside them but this was not support that was stressed in the western media but there was thing that happened in 2014. Rightly describe it is articles basically what had been ukraine before 2014 it was usually use the symbol at donkey to sex you know one sack wants to go west the other segments to go east that connection between them is very narrow you know and this is the reason why kuchma and you know which never said yes or no to russia or to the European Union because the moment once they say yes we go west the east was off and sorry and what happened in february 2014 was that they destroyed the words destroyed this connection the sec which was supposed to go to the west when. To the west and even if they had a civil war this civil war was not the result of russian intervention or you know a rebellion they destroy the west destroyed by elementary do more kristie which prevent that this contradiction between east and west from going into developing into a civil war but you would make the argument now is with because i dont think that we want to see your done best whatever term you want to use will ever be have a meaningful role again in ukraine theyre going to have to fudge it here was crimea is gone so if we take the analogy of the balance it is forever in one direction right now to the west but what does it mean to be part of the west we still have this issue in other places like this where its very right wing here professor before going to break. Where will this continued paralysis lete i think that in the not to distant future were not going to see a new my done but were going to see probably a general rejection by the ukrainian voters of political 40 generally chaos in the country and quite possibly a rise in anti western sentiment by those who currently want to see when youre going to continue with after a short break were going to go to a short break and after that show break well continue our discussion of some real news day 30. Lists. Clicked. And a very warm welcome to you watching on since last. There are no official statistics in india concerning children who have been lost or separated from their parents some are to estimate that every 30 minutes in the country a child goes missing. A lot of. What. Do you think. The National HumanRights Commission stated that 44000. 00 minors go missing every year while the police quoted. 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You said right before the break something quite fascinating about the future instability of ukraine considering the status quo elaborate more. What right now as has been mentioned i think theres a dichotomy between those who yearn to see a western. Western oriented ukraine and those who i wouldnt call it a pro russian ukraine i would say a truly independent ukraine having an autonomous its own vision of its own foreign policy. I mean. We have to get away from this false dichotomy. But these pro western forces have a very tenuous relationship with the west because its all about. What is the west doing for ukraine which is at the forefront at the the ball work of an anti russian. And anti russian policy to the extent that the west and i think its clear is not going to support that kind of long term anti what anti Russian Initiative these forces in western ukraine are going to be disillusioned with the west and one already sees this in. The statements of current members of parliament for example that maybe we should rename the party servant of the people which is their dance party into servant of the i. M. F. Because the i. M. F. Really has us by the throat and its never going to let go and this is just one example of the of the true attitude of the west toward the would be but you know we would have predict we predicted this long ago because you dont be careful what you wish for ok what about the servant of the United States i mean our state department has since i believe since 1901 through usaid from 1900 to 2014 i believe 5000000000. 00 going to. Go ahead well basically its interesting about 5000000000. 00 from the United States there are several 100. 8500000000. 00 in the 817000000000. 00 for the you are going to go union and i dont and professor made this estimate synergy 1000000000. 00 you bring to russia in various forms of debt you know. That but what happens i agree with a professor of that theres going to be instability because basically people who elected you because they wanted peace with russia he keeps boasting i broadly dont think is the thing i mean that and corruption is very yes. But now he says that we are basically not going to feel the means could mean that what is just message there is not what we wish for 2nd so thats not going to be resolved any time so that was but that was the point of reference of respectable if you like the mints accords you know everyone who is doing well or not doing it d was always the point of reference that where do we go from there because its very key people in the east you know all the people there are patient for peace you know they want peace they dont understand all the intricacies actually the story with the music of course is very simple they presuppose a kind of told me for the east in return for the establishment of ukraine and control over the border the problem is that the ukraine authority us are not going to give this autonomy they are not. M. S. T. They are not given special status they continue the economic blockade of these regions well the other interesting with this is. That the area that equal to the city of course is going to do something very unpopular you know at least the land reform which which allows private ownership of land sale for lent including is only to organise that is deeply unpopular in Ukrainian Society the United States have been pushing for this for a long time but even did not dare to make these very unpopular. So in this situation i agree with the professor who wrote a few years ago 2 thirds of the boss residence servant in early may in 2014 c. They regarded their mind on s n o and all overthrow of the government organized by their position with this system for the best and of quote that was in 2014 i dont think it changed because what weve seen during these years could. Push for more conflict and i think you know i think the push for a lot of other things in the you know in the defense theory we are talking about there being a liar you know that he was politically destroyed and thats a moment of supreme justice because what he did in ukraine will stable and know what he is. Move open Rudy Giuliani you know. I dont want to go he didnt run to ukraine gay guy id be really interested to know professor what do in ukraine does the media talk much about the news that joe biden its all over the news now actually lay down the threat to the ukrainian prosecutor to be fired for the you create for the key have to fire the chief prosecutor who is investigating joe biden son hunter patrol that was that is that you talked about that was described shortly after occur yes in other words i think was january 1900 at the council on Foreign Relations it was picked up in the ukrainian news but one of the things that is simply taken for granted in the ukrainian media environment is that the west calls the shots so why is this surprising ok who surprised by this it didnt have any traction in the American Media at the time because they couldnt link it to trump but now. Now its coming to link it to trump but. Clearly this was political blackmail at the highest level and by the american Vice President he says it was all about how the american taxpayer but the coincidence with his sons activities in Eastern Ukraine at the same time makes. The coincidence of speeches. I think its just amazing how far the american narrative is removed from reality you know they are arguing about you know. There are and whats happened in ukraine was the Vice President of a different county seat in your president s seat or that the prosecutor general to be dismissed in 6 hours. If a russian official give it you know they will say that russia is ruined or ukraine then the 2nd story what is drawn from blame for not saying didnt weapons on time to ukraine do you understand how this is perceived in ukraine or russia imagine there is a war between canadian saying americans you know and a certain country is a weight sending weapons to canadians helping them kill more americans and their protest and you know indignation is not at the United States but in that country how dare you not to send these well again you know i mean this is my critique of American Foreign policy countries that they meddle in are not allowed agency ok ok in. Go back to green we can do. Is going to last a long time here is who buyers of buyers remorse from my don 5 years on. On whos part of the ukraine has been general and general well. The surveys show a significant part of the population to be disappointed with the results of. The supposed to bring a new vitality and a new quality to the political life but not little has changed indeed corruption by all accounts has gotten worse over the last 5 years right and the country has become impoverished one of the things about the i. M. F. Deal which is has been stated often but keeps being repeated now in the press and its very important to bear in mind because the Ukrainian Government has just adopted a very ambitious Economic Program for the next 5 years projecting 40 Percent Economic Growth roughly 7 percent annually if ukraine in g. D. P. Growth grows at 4 percent or 5 then it will have to pay 40 percent of profits to the i. M. F. Well to the to the people that have extended it credit which as one economist wrote. Very recently makes it simply unprofitable to have high rates of Economic Growth in ukraine so i will have to remember that this is a reconstruction goals that g. D. P. Failed 10 percent in 2015 right after the mind even if we exclude cranium from the statistics it fell through that 6. 4 percent next year so what do we see now the ukrainians stajan to leave somewhat like what they leave behind a young age may be. May be considered to be a golden age after all of these years but the last thing that the mind and did was to destroy these balance to destroy democracy in ukraine region was one of the things that i do. What i want to end on this here who can jump in here i mean giving the Donbass Special status is impossible if they agreed to it because other regions of the country will the same and were going to be putting the the constituent nature of ukraine at stake and this is thats between the rock and a hard place here if you give one set something others may want the same. Whats so theres a debate now one side is using the term autonomy the other side the government is using the term radical decentralisation its not clear what the difference is although there probably is a significant difference and one should probably stick to the actual meaning of autonomy because what the dom boss actually wants and what i think many regions of ukraine would not object to especially in the western ukraine would be some form of greater autonomy verging on federalism but the problem is you cannot use the f. Word in ukrainian politics. Well thats what the professor all of a few years ago ukrainian nationalists have so little confidence in their ability to do we know with the population that they see local culture with tony as a direct path to secession thats exactly true because you dont even. Really want to be. A good sport is very. Low therefore you want to the point. That choice is between cultural ukraine something that. Russia and have been striving for recognizing that this is a jewel and which country russian and ukrainian and many other languages and more not least think ukraine you know nationalistic based on the west. And the west has been pushing for that you know during the last 5 years but the point is that these last is very division because if you want to impose the same identity on many different people. Here and youre you know you have excellent reading skills thats not really going to its all the time we dont hear many things like it here in moscow and thanks for viewers for watching us here archy see you next time remember. Facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately there was also a very dark side. 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