Transcripts For RT Interview 20240713

To saudi arabia on a state visit. Following about its. Moscow is. Presence which include russian movies hard truths everyone is sure the home. Is ready for mr cole but for now. Its 9 oclock here. From our studio with me welcome to the program. I may just say to all of alliance kurdish officials in syria say theyve reached an agreement with the government in damascus from now on syrian troops will be able to enter kurdish controlled north. Eastern syria for the 1st time in years to help the kurds tackle a turkish offensive crossing live now to our ts paulist live for more details paula syrian troops are heading to the border could this escalate now. It certainly seems as if the situation is going to escalate tensions continue to climb and as you correctly mentioned were hearing from kodesh sources that theyve signed an agreement with the damascus government that will see the 2 sides Work Together to what they say prevent confront and push back turkish aggression now move forward the plan is that you have the syrian Army Deployed alongside the kurdish backed Syrian Democratic forces on the syrian 2 key border at the same time the Syrian Forces will be allowed to enter kurdish towns in northeastern syria where theyve been cut off from for years all of this comes as we hear from local media that locals are celebrating the news in the town of. In the north east in syria locals have been going to the streets extremely satisfied with the latest developments syrian state media is reporting that the syrian army is making its way to the north of the country while Lebanese Television says that the Syrian Forces within the next 48 hours will enter the strategic more than ward a town of bani that is controlled by the kurds now we hear this amid war in concerns that pro took his forces have cut off the main east west road through to kurdish territory so this altimeter leaves the city of isolated so no doubt theres going to be a massive escalation in that particular area we all 6 receiving reports that the syrian army has already entered the town of monday in aleppo now this is just 60 kilometers away from qubani and we understand that the Kurdish Militia who control the checkpoints in and out of the town simply let them drive through as for the turkish advances late on sunday they had. To the town of tel in North Eastern the situation on the ground both forces seem to be coming closer and closer together and unfortunately most people are into supporting for the clashes violence and potentially casualties ok thanks for the update their policy reporting from jerusalem. Middle east expert alleyways however told us he doubts that syria and turkey are moving towards a full scale war. You know this it is quite a significant step but i wouldnt necessarily think that were on the brink of a. Conventional war with a risk here and we are just. Going to ship president would go to that now we see what you kurds appear to be. The Syrian Government and also with russia and start the most the it cannot even if they are. Also saying that the u. S. The Syrian Forces already syria and russia if that would mean that we could prevent genocide the remaining war will be to deal with the areas which turkey now. Urging i think that would be the main sticking. The agreement comes after donald trump ordered the withdrawal of u. S. Chiefs from the region despite growing fears of a potential terrorist as thousands of i thought the tunnels are still being held in prisons across Northern Syria the u. S. President however says its turkey and the kurds who are responsible for the terrorists because of takes a closer look at how the crisis could unfold. This is turkish and kurdish fighters beating each other black and blue and theres a begets hate a hydra that was thought to be cold dead is raising its head again. The vision does not only threaten the reactivation or revival of Islamic States but has revived and activated cells in chemistry and other areas left all alone against the Turkish Military under its proxies the as d. F. Needs every man and woman who can hold a rifle to defend their homes so the guards abandon some of their prison posts and some 800 i saw a fairly miss no chances here breaking loose from captivity and more sensing. The lax watch over them are no longer afraid to rattle their cages both of them running for the hills there and while both damascus and its neighbors have plenty to be concerned about because of this its europe that is really worried. The Turkish Operation in syria is our main concern our common wish is that the offensive must end we believe that it risks on the one hand creating an unacceptable humanitarian situation and on the other helping to reemerge in the region with military action will undermine the security of the coalitions local partners namely the Kurdish Forces and risk for attacked it is the billet in northeast syria providing Fertile Ground for did its origins of and the latest jailbreaks might be only the very beginning of a truly massive outpour i mean look at this there are eisel Detention Centers all over the kurdish controlled areas they hold tens of thousands of Islamic State affiliates thousands of them being former fighters actual former fighters and many of them Holding Foreign passports yes the e. U. Had every type of warning bell ringing for them the kurds begged europe to take bad jarvis with the e. U. Passports and put them on trial at home the position of october many european states have also been adopted by many other states across the globe countries are very reluctant particular back home everyone has been connected with socalled islamic spirit as a foreign fighters because the judicial systems within many liberal democracies havent got the ability to bring evidence that would be sufficiently robust to get through the Court Systems and prosecute these people and the 2nd thing is to try and monitor them would cost a huge amount of money europe of course is home. Instead with p. T. S. D. Tear up from the caliphate added smite and were living those moments hes europes worst nightmare. So condemned call for dialogue stop every last arms crate to turkey all you want now like fixing a crumbling house with duct tape over worked well the situation is worse because evidently old these foreign fighters which were detained under the kurdish. Detention centers are now being opened in different ways and these people are being freed on the territory which means does this people 1st of all can be active in the territory of syria again and possibly being foreign fighters they might even decide or choose to return to europe and therefore to uctv their cells in europe again. Turkish president has in turn dubbed the reports of a massive prison breakout by Islamic State fighters and family members as distant from asian aimed at provoking the west while the middle east struggles with their m. And an eyeful caliphate a region in africa seeing a rise in just heart attacks we find out where the next hive of islamic extremism could be settled later. In his 1st National Gender clinic is being sued by the mother of a patient in a psychotherapist who used to work there they claim that experimental treatments used on children as young as 11 have not been researched enough theyre asking the court to ban the Tavistock Center from prescribing hormone blocking medication unless a Court Decides it in the childs best interest they also accuse the clinic and the trust that in charge of gender Identity Services in north london of giving families misleading information about the risks of treatment the clinic denies the accusations and claims his treatments are well monitored. Are clinical interventions laid out in a nationally set Service Specifications and as england monitor our service very closely the service has a high level of reported satisfaction and was rated good by the Care Quality Commission however marcus appen to psychiatry and who were to the clinic and the husband of the psychotherapists in the facility argues that the treatment is indeed under researched. It is a controversial tree we have long. Long reaching consequences. We really dont know whats going on area yet the trust was acting as if d there was nothing to look at everything was fine you just carry on never being again transition im just. Young kids making to see all they ever says oh maybe our. I couldnt as a parent make a decision not that im going to heart with my children now how do you talk to a 12 year old about the implications of their treatment so they will know when theyre 25 when they feel like a completely different person. Despite the controversy around the treatment the number of referrals to this clinic has increased exponentially in recent years have as again believe the topic of gender dysphoria has become highly politicized and the well being of patients is overlooked. Is this something about this area is highly politicized which means this is sort of thing you cant ask questions all your cues that being transposed it and actually normie medical practice is not taking place in more of v. A. Is not enough research theres not enough interest in the downside of whats going on is not on our scrutiny all. d of the issue of consent and i think we need an independent regulatory body that would oversee this controversial d area and not use the trustees cheering go with the approach trans lobbies is not its not only at any rate necessarily relies to what extent the Political Forces driving whats going on in this area. Present day 10 of expected in saudi arabia later today as being 12 years since he was last there and is expected to make confounding on the Saudi Crown Prince and up a trunk and falling to visit for a. Saudi arabia and russia is a remarkable example of how 2 countries could be great partners or friends and foes at the same time everything that riyadh gets itself involved in and the middle east be it about iran yemen or syria gets full support from washington and you do realize that and all these cases russia is on the different side of the barricade. But when the russian leader in the Saudi Crown Prince get along so well in person by the way they are the authors of probably the most famous high profile high 5 in the world the chances that the dialogue could work will always be very high. I have very good relations with both the king and the crown prince but we have been making good headway practically and. Surely we do have to bear in mind that the 2 countries are the Worlds Largest Oil Producers are their competitors you know in this case most likely opec plus partners to all kinds of oil and gas and issues related to the Energy Sector are on the agenda especially after the drone attack from last month on one of saudi arabias most Important Oil refineries which could the countrys output by almost a half. And almost put the region on the brink of a real crisis. Yemens who the rebels said we did it washington and allies almost immediately blamed it all on to iran it was feared that a u. S. Led strike on iran could have been imminent the incident even led to Vladimir Putin suggesting that saudi arabia whose army is almost d totally dependent on arms imports from the u. S. Should buy russian made air Defense Missile systems its another chance for mr putin to sell those but even without them 2000000000 dollars worth of contracts are expected to be signed between moscow and riyadh. But apart from things to be bought for cash moscow is bringing plenty of presents which include russian movies cartoons an operant concert and a collection of russias painting everyones sure that the hosts have plenty of surprises ready for mr putin and co but for now what that will be has remained the secret. Man have attacked a mosque. In west africa killing at least 16 people its not clear who is behind it but theres growing concern about religious extremism in the region the maasai region and Subsaharan Africa as one of the areas most at risk and spans from the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the red scene. Compassing and 9 countries our city correspondent explains that its becoming a fertile recruiting ground for the how to scripts. These days its getting harder to sell jihad in the middle east people know what hides behind those pyres promises and tired generations cold at this point who could just sick of killing so the fanatics are packing up and leaving apparently for them theres more fun to be had elsewhere at the doorstep of the sahara i know we are all very concerned about the continuing escalation of violence in the city hugh and its expansion into the gulf of guinea countries it is already one of the most inhospitable places on the planet and if the merciless heat malnutrition and almost total lack of medical care werent enough to kill you well religious nut cases will take burkean a fast so just last week gunmen killed about 15 people in an attack on a mosque during friday prayers 2 weeks ago 20 people mostly minors dead in an apparent jihad is the tack on a gold mine a little earlier at least 38 soldiers killed in the jihad this attack in neighboring mali according to n. G. O. S the number of ji hardest attacks in the sale have doubled every year from 2016 and if youre a career terrorist with affordance for killing where better to be the sahara is huge almost 7 times the size of iraq plenty of fresh recruits high birth rates high poverty high desperation the Perfect Place to recruit an army of hopeless youth and start over. This ladies and gentlemen is the setting of the 2nd war and terror this is where its going to be waged fronts agu be fired the 1st shots when it invaded mali set up a task force of sale nations the g 5 to stop islamist radicalism the hardly any effect on the funded under support the dead in smaller numbers than expected in the beginning the war on terror in fact has become so hot and so complicated that even the Africa Command hope the pentagon the u. S. Military is not yet quartered in africa even though its primary or a primary objective is to fight this socalled war on terror its decided to be headquartered as the court term it. Hundreds of thousands of miles from the battlefield. You have military figures who are luck on the front line in or trying to fight the war thousands of miles away that is not optimism with regard to the prospect of combat. But dammit religious zealot lack of funds was address that a summit in brooklyn a fast so last month with west African Leaders announcing a 1000000000. 00 plan to combat jihad this violence which is pennies considering the challenge a 1000000000. 00 to protect an area roughly the size of a 3rd of the european continent theres a hell is a gateway to the richer Central African ivory coast garner southern nigeria and when they get there well all feel it from coffee prices to Food Shortages and or Oil Production declines that will batter the worlds economy and make no mistake this jihad is intended to hurt. In the u. S. State of South Carolina Water Service providers are concerned over the decision to land use ground want to create service the search giant has a permit to plan hundreds of millions of gallons of water. But it could be revoked if limits are exceeded critics of the decision believe the water should be used for better purposes. I dont have a beef against google itself but i dont think its appropriate to use pristine groundwater for cooling computers versus providing water for people were obviously concerned about the long term safe sustainable yield of that aquifer. People in South Carolina what they thought about commuting water this way. Yes i think it would definitely affects the ability. To have clean water without more being in the process im not sure that would be the best idea just for the environment probably wouldnt be the best i think there could be a better way i think that its in google being a multibillion Dollar Tech Company that maybe collaborate with another tech company to find other ways to call servers the controversy here in South Carolina and google involves something called ground water or water that its sucked out of an awkward for the concern is that as you pull the water out once it is used unless it is replenished by rain or snow or by some other source that over time the aqua for begins to collapse in on itself the ground shrinks and that creates infrastructure problems but beyond that the problem is for the next generation there isnt enough Water Technologies that exist today can provide vast amounts of clean safe healthy Drinking Water and water for other purposes in society its being stated by local people that google is acting in a very irresponsible way at this is not an evil corporation you know trying to steal the future of of widows and orphans would google tried to do is they try to at the time they built this facility to be extremely Energy Carbon fuel independent and sustainable and the choice is between whether use air conditioning which means to say burning lots of carbon fuel or using lots of water which is more much more Energy Efficient and funny is now ill be back in around 30 minutes time with more updates so stay with us. What politicians do something anything. They put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president im sure. Some want to be upset that its a going to be press this is like the full story in the morning cant be good. Im interested always in the waters in the hollow. Theyre sitting. In a world of big partisan through things a lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Really get the. Deal to sell us money needs to step. In the deaths of 6. Good. Little blue official says so swallow them. And. Call. Time after time youre going underground is the british queen that its already been unlawfully shut down by minority government leader Boris Johnson as he seeks to bypass legal obligations and leave the European Union in 1000. 00 days time coming out of the show was world renowned Human Rights Watch Jeffrey Robinson q. C. Bugged by the cia in london we ask him whats legal and whats illegal when it comes to Boris Johnson lula u. S. Diplomat Scotland Yard and your innocence in u. K. Black History Month going underground speaks of the son of miles davis one of the greatest jazz artists of all time. Is going underground on the day of what u. K. Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn goals of fosse the state opening of the British Parliament by the queen joining me as one of the worlds top human rights was Geoffrey Robinson q. C. Founder of daddy street chambers jeffrey welcome back to going undergrads are reports of the queen seeking advice on sacking Boris Johnson intimations routinely in the press the johnson wants to unlawfully void sending a letter to the European Union your Queens Council is the queen consulted you about 2nd born as miles and occasions as a queens counsel to advise the queen whenever i must free of charge. And i have not not yet. Have advised daughter in law wants but not the queen she needs a lot of advice because there are a lot of case about the british constitution of which she is the nominal guardian we talk about our. Constitution you know the only 2 countries in the world that dont have a written constitution a Great Britain and saudi arabia and in saudi arabia they dont have a Supreme Court that is capable of holding the ruler the government to account and i think we can be proud of the fact that our Supreme Court did stop the government from getting rid of parliament for 5 weeks that was an outrage and of course it was the Supreme Court who protected parliamentary democracy so i guess we dont know whether we live in a parliamentary democracy or goals judicial morning but you know very little constitutional no mans land where you know very well we dont have a written constitution why not wear the country that gave the world the english language shakespeare and we are incapable apparently of writing down and goes deeper because you know in the sixtys when we gave independence to all these other former colonies we gave them our constitution we wrote it down here said here is a westminster constitution. So it may have the way they have it every day yeah but you know very well that if we dont want business is it of the judges of the Supreme Court to overrule a democratically elected someones business to democracy in the rule of law and as it happens that falls in a democracy to be legal to. Brought and its for the judges to make sure all the the government used to be the king now the government keeps to the law now theres a lot of press about diplomatic immunity case i want to get to that in a 2nd but i know you were. Lawyer for a while perhaps you cant talk about it but there have been revelations that you were bugged on well i havent read those reparations i will of course julian is in jail with a lot of islamic terrorists and belmarsh prison likely to remain for a couple of years while his extradition case goes through so. His fate will depend on the British Government or the British Government as it is in a couple of years time maybe but i think the conservatives would be happy to extradite him it may be that mr coburns government would not ok but i mean you have such a little illustrious history of human rights cases have you ever previously been bugged by the cia as you read talking to cloud i suspect ive been bugged by the russians by the americans by the. I suspect that the role of an independent lawyer acting in cases with dissidents are up against the state is very often to have been but i mean when i did the a. B. C. Case back in the seventys which was a famous case involving these court. Cases that have in fact. These muties which were currently seeing being played out in the wife of a cia officer who ran over a boy and killed him and is claiming immunity but these bases with. Their real function. Was revealed by 2 time out journalists back in the seventys who were immediately prosecuted for up to 30 Years Imprisonment on the official secrets act and it was then they were exposed as american bases although they were cold a. F. X. And y. To food rations they were in fact full of americans they had a british Wing Commander who was called the Wing Commander in charge of sitting in the window as the diplomats its all the u. S. Soldiers. Right even their hospitals i want to active for poor fellow who had gone for an operation and a Us Base Hospital in britain and theyd left a twitter girl inside it so of course we sued for negligence. To. The americans under the status of. Power you see in the tearful parents of harry dunn the british teenager killed we dont know necessarily he was killed by the spies his wife has been reported in the present indeed he worked for the cia. She was taken back to langley virginia which is fairly obvious that he was in fact cia but he was given she was given immunity and its very wrong morally and it is cowardly to claim immunity between 2 good allies i know the grieving parents said it was a waste of time talking to British Foreign secretary dominic. But. Hes going to be a poodle to donald trump who President Trump of course said theres no way shes wearing ive come back to have a trump card speech talking to the president where he to point out that these bases are pretty vital to americas security and in fact they were used in 1904 by Ronald Reagan to bomb. In tripoli that killing in a berlin discotheque by what he thought was good after his agents mrs thatcher in those days simply quietly said ok if donald trump wants to bomb iran as is former National Security adviser john bolton rather did then they would fly from their bases in britain we worry about sovereignty and exit europe but we have these bases in britain that are entirely american well. Basically shows we have some kind of a. Carrier for the United States brazil is increasingly being seen as a proxy for u. S. Foreign policy your client former president has been offered the chance of freedom by brazilian prosecutors. Why do you think theyve carried him wise youre glad hes not taken it because there are Strings Attached what has been discovered since his my view Wrongful Conviction is that the judge who is now mr bowles rose minister of justice reward was in fact deeply involved in prosecuting the man he was actually try and waters them from whistleblower things do emerge from whistleblowers a lot of emails between the judge and the prosecutor the judge telling the prosecutors what to do if the case comes to court you may well be seen as a Wrongful Conviction secured by a biased judge and so he refused to allow you to stand for the presidency which he would have won the United Nations Human Rights Commission ordered brazil to allow him to stand until he is can be. Sion was finalized approved by the Supreme Court and they refused so how soon do you think hell be pretty unable to run against both and there are president ial elections for a couple of years but im sure hell be available when i was president and i hope he will be out of prison i hope hell be cleared of these ludicrous charges it well the media was said to be a big part of the defamation of your client for president lula in brazil the media here under the spotlight partly because of all the sex crime allegations against conservative politicians that turned out to be complete and Utter Nonsense what is your role being in trying to. For one of the victims of this extraordinary event its the worst operation in. History because they came across an artifact axis the man who made the move across allegations about you say ludicrous the deputy leader of the labor Party Tom Watson to where he seriously and raised them in bali yes i know his reclusiveness trying to maneuver himself to be deputy leader of the labor party at that time and his love of self publish city does cost a real doubt over him as a credible politician but even worse the police who took seriously the absurd fantasies of spying masters politicians illustrious head of the Army Lord Bramall proctor a former conservative m. P. Cutting up small boy. And then murdering them and the police took this seriously and never investigated mr beach they didnt talk to his mother who could have told them what a lie he was not. Carol difficulties he said he was taken out from school every couple of days in order to be by the head of the army. A quick check of his school would have said that was nonsense but they didnt do it we invited president that his goal in the art on the show but shes previously had to apologize for the killing or must im reading of the killing of George Alderman is of course in southern or do you think she should resign well i think you should consider her position and consider what her role was as for the british people of finally fed up with bungling of the fact that Scotland Yard committed 43 different mistakes in the course of a few weeks is has been revealed by a High Court Judge and costs a very real question over the competence of Scotland Yard i think there are 2 reforms that may come about firstly if the achilles heel of Civil Liberties in britain is the fact that police can go to a lame magistrate or some form of lickspittle justice and get a rubber stamp on a search warrant that can destroy a home people reputation and thats done entirely in secret there is no recording made of what the police say to the magistrate to get a warrant so i think the 1st reform has to be because now our police have been found to mislead a district judge. All such applications be recorded and the other thing is that britain unlike most other countries doesnt allow you to sue the police for negligence incompetence recklessness where our judges historically have protected the police for many action and i think. The Parliament May be in light of the fadia operation and and the damage that was done by the police by reclusiveness and incompetent may finally allow those victims to sue for negligence and be compensated thank you after the break but the cool new film explores the life of jazz icon miles davis we speak to the films Emmy Award Winning director Stanley Nelson. Going underground. Its all but you know all. Of that not a good look at. The world is driven by shaped by. The day or thinks. We dare to ask. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it go. An arms race based on often sparing Dramatic Development only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. Welcome back october marks black History Month here in the u. K. Celebrating revolutionary events and figures in black culture one of the most important of those figures is the artists against apartheid jazz icon miles davis one of the most influential musicians old time a new film about him has just been released yesterday and explores the legends life from his childhood growing up in a wealthy family near st louis to his time spent in paris with john paul solved and so we caught up with the films Emmy Award Winning director Stanley Nelson and miles davis is on erin davis in Central London and began by asking about making miles davis birth of the cool but one of the things that we that we knew going in it was that we wanted it to be kind of a biography of miles you know and we wanted it to be warts and all. We went in looking at at it as that 1st we got the the kind of good will of the family in their permission to go ahead and then we. Made a deal with sony music that control so much of his music sold so now we had the music we had the family well lets go the idea of claus comes in early on in the film theres a funny line from one of the contributors actually saying that when miles was asked about the blues being something about poverty he just told them. That the issue of clothes and jazz in this film why did you well i think you know that its important that miles they get to sing the muzzles born rich and then miles you know expected to certain things out of the out of the way he was treated and you know a lot of times you can get it you know miles was also you know very. Skinned black man you know in living through the 20th century and so that also becomes part of who miles miles is you know people ask you know why was miles angry well i think you know we kind of show you what i ever had a political was miles davis i mean he was aware you know he was definitely aware of what was happening you know he wasnt the type of person to make statements. You know britain or verbal statements but he would make a statement through his music so he would for instance he would like he joined the sun city project where there they did the collaborative song and they all decided to pull all the artist decided to boycott playing in south africa until they. Were done with apartheid and you know he made a statement that way instead of like you know coming out saying i am against this or you know he made album called to to be there to desmond tutu and im a man low which was means yes i think it means strength in one of the south african dialects so you know he was he was conscious and aware of these things and civil rights and he was a victim of Police Brutality which you know that happens you know definitely in the state still and around the world im sure you know every day when you saw the family film did you think i mean. The way you make the film makes it sound like the United States is so bad for him and of course hes beaten up by the police over that and then he went on air and because paris was had showed him the way life could be different to read racism in the usa it was a tough time i think for everyone of color back then and you know. You know i mean the whole incident with the policeman came about because he was standing outside of the club he was playing with his name on the marquee with the with the police in fact i was objecting stanleys were genuine previous documentaries tell me about how you. Show his time in paris when hes hanging out with true would pick so so well. Goes to paris in 1949 as part of this jazz tour hes never been out of the country before he goes there hes hanging out with picasso you know are people people in france are look at jazz as this kind of high art you know in a way you know in the last state and still looked at as kind of low art you know and they look into this hierarchy falls in love with the beautiful singer julie had greco and you know shes in the film and you know today we interview her and you can see that that she still loves him its in our eyes i mean the sense of that kind of an amazing interview and he falls in love there and you know he just falls in love with france and paris and thats happened so many times the africanamerican artists you know they go over they come overseas and they see that they see a difference they see that there is a different way that you can be treated and it also makes them understand in some strange way how theyre treated in the United States because youre used to it used to this kind of treatment that is you go somewhere else like wait a minute you know theres another way theres another way and miles sees that and because you have worked on the black panthers documentaries when you came across probably in europe or for how was violated by a white Police Officer the kind of sure nothing really changed yeah i mean i think that that you know ive done a number of films on the Civil Rights Movement and look things have changed the United States you know there are a lot better than they were but theyre not where they need to be in that that would be my argument there and you say you dont even have you dont even have the records in the house and i do now. And the record store that youre producing but. How was it living there nor when how did you 1st listen to a kind of blue then of the record was in the. In a cafe i wonder what it was like the Immaculate Conception i was. I just knew it and i know and i just i dont remember the 1st time i heard it but i remember the 1st time i heard like bitches brew i was like i was actually here i think i was in london and i want to work my way through this one and i was just like wow like i get it i get it now noisier fusion stuff yeah i mean i got what people were talking about and i got was where he was coming from at that time you know its like 2 years before i was born and i was born 71 so 69 i was like just missed it you know but. You know i mean i want to to to to work on his catalog and i had to do a deep dive after he passed on and i was like finally ready to do it. You know because i wanted to see how he got on with them in his bag yeah but we were playing all the stuff that we put on the eightys we werent even looking at any of. The stuff we were playing came from 2 to him and decoys urine or the stuff that i had to really learn about x. I wanted to see how this all got how we how do we get here from you know birth of the cool or even the Charlie Parker days how we get all the way through elevator the gallows kind of blue sketches in a silent way and then all the quintet the coltrane quintet the herbie ron wayne tony quintet like how do we get through all this stuff and to be honest with you know the film actually does a great job of illustrating you know presenting all that did he ever talk about what he thought of when the quintet procope would you talk about what he thought of trains later solo work not to me i mean he you know he the only thing he would talk about with as far as the older musicians were just funny stories you know. I love telling bird stories you know like you know max roach and burton like you know probably im burning us to turn again as i cant really repeat all these stories but you know hes the same maxed out burger flight did everything he did with the birds. Because its so funny when i know youre saying you love that later stuff in the eightys when one of you contributed says what is soul is noisy music that you do say pave the way partly for hip hop and a whole different type of music today its so funny when he goes why this innocent early career made. You think that were going to bill you saying why did you make and hes dressing differently in a way for whats interesting is in talking to people you know like gary and you know who are younger at that point i mean thats their touch point is you know is bitches brew and and on from there they you know love it and you know thats that was their intro to miles which is really interesting and if you need became actually around the bitches brew time explicitly more political with the album title is referring to the british and american backed races regime in south africa you. Talk about in the film miles daviss idea about the pictorial representations of how jazz should be seen a white woman on the cover of one of the records yeah yeah i mean you know i think that that one of the things that we had in the film that we actually kind of we cut it down was the fact that they had all these albums in the fiftys by you know africanamerican musicians would have anything on the cover except an africanamerican musician so they might have a white woman they might have a tree you know bar of soap. Except a black person cover because they felt like it was a black was on the cover so nobody would buy the album so you know and miles a great story where you know he comes out with miles ahead. And theres a white woman on the cover and you know it and thats where i could say theres a lot on t. V. But you know miles as reaction you know to do that and he then has. Changed the cover of the next print pressing to have miles on the cover and he goes on to have you know black women on the cover as well and you think i want a crazy addictions and so on they they put him in touch with the working class in the United States which people of his wealth. And somehow thats in the music the addictions no i dont think the dixons put him have no thats going to name his deal or no i dont i dont think the addictions had a need to do with miles being in touch with a working class of miles an icon in miles miles said the black folks in general you know that that you can demand the best you know you can demand you know the best that miles you know had tailored suits monstro ferraris miles lived in a townhouse you know on the west side miles had beautiful women miles you know i have a close us ration well i only miles was a capitalist yeah i mean i think there were miles felt that way as we all feel you know whether whether were you know world virtually capitalist or not we want to be paid for our work and we want to you know and were living in a capitalist system so you know there are a few people who are successful in capitalist system who say you know no no no no no i you know i dont want the money but miles and miles and miles also raise the bar for other musicians you know because he would demand certain things that other musicians could then demand you know like b. If you play 2 sets at a club the year paid for each set you know that if you travel you want to travel in the best class that you can you want to stay in nice hotels you know you want to be paid in advance you know because people dont understand that for so many jazz musicians throughout time i really do know they you know it at the end of the at the end of the gig you know the. Moto would come to the club or would come in and say you know we didnt really make as much money as we thought we were going to make american to be able to pay you what i supposed to be and what could you do you know except get into a fight you have shorts of the montreaux is it where does the 1st time for ages sketches spam but i dont know whether you were there all there or i mean everybody goes back to entering the records were in the house to never play that live again did it surprise you the directors of whatever any footage of you. Know i mean i you know we kind of not mean that we go knew that miles davis never never looked back you know the miles davis it was it was always Going Forward and theres the great line in the film where into macys the concert you know of. Sketches of spain you know and he said and this is miles you know going back and he says hes sick you know i know hes sick because he would never go back you know he was in good health i want to be and i think of all the adulation from people like prince who features in the film as well or they think they were i mean did they they were very close i mean they they loved each other you know he. I think they saw each other as Kindred Spirits and they were you know would love to get together when they could and you know i know prince would send us tapes all the time of stuff when there were tapes and he would send us tapes all the time of stuff that he was that he thought would be good for miles and you know they just had a great relationship i will really say had it really seems to change and changes in the film to where suddenly hes on television and hes doing every interview on u. S. Television before you just see the great stills of him and the birth of cool i didnt hear of him i mean you know i think he like to he realized that he could reach a lot of people and people wanted to talk to him and i think he was getting to that point is i present i can i can talk now i can talk you know i think you also have to look at in the context of miles coming out of that hiatus where he didnt pick pick up his trumpet as he says for 4 years he doesnt play you know and now and something happened in his head where he comes back and hes just like relishing the attention hes going for hes day becomes a different man hes going to do in interviews and on talk shows all of a sudden and you know i think part of that comes from you know you know going down as deep as dark as you can go and then coming out of it into the light and saying you know a theyre you know its not so bad being famous being the coolest man on earth. Something else in their endeavors thank you thank you thanks so much director Stanley Nelson miles davis his son aaron speaking to be there in central on of the film is out now thats it for this show will be back on wednesday 46 years to the day but satire allegedly died when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize if you like you can judge by social media and subscribe why did you. Join me every thursday on the alex simon sure ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im. Ill see you then. When ill show small seemed wrong on one old roll just all. The world to get to shape our disdain you cant get educated and in gain strength because betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for Common Ground the. What politicians do something that. They put themselves on the line and they get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president or injury. Or something want to wrestle. Thats it right to be cross this is what the 43 in the morning cant be good that im interested always in the waters in the hottest. Place sydney. You know world of big partisan new things lot of things and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Really get the. Deal to known so somebody needs to stitch stuff. Was the digits of 6. This. Is good. Let. Little the finish says so small logo. On the phone and. Call it lists little. Thats