Trump in any resolution from the floor so the appearance of this is that theres a rush to judgment on everybodys part you hear a candidate for president on the other side saying even before they saw the transcript that came out a couple of days ago that that he should be impeached and then you hear republicans absolutely certain that hes done nothing wrong which you know maybe on the 4 corners of that document he has it so i think that its a mistake to have these hearings in closed door sessions like the are right now in the Intelligence Committee at least in less there are some National Security information there you can have hearings in open Public Session either by the Intelligence Committee judiciary somebody if theres a whistle blower you can put literally what ive done is chairman in the past you put a bag over their head to put a sheet over something that then muffle their voice so you arent disclosing them but its not a National Security issue they say these hearings should not be behind closed doors and there shouldnt be a rush to judgment we should get all the facts. Out and then well know well all be able to decide we may still disagree but at least everybody working from a full amount of information does it not to consume you congressman that the president as the head of another country to look into his possible opponent in the next that does not concern you it does concern me in the sense that i think that it was not a good thing to do i wouldnt recommend doing it im not sure its impeachable of itself i dont think it rises to the same level as we had in the clinton impeachment trial of sorting out of crimes like perjury lying under oath in front of a court or grand jury or tampering with a witness or hiding things in that sense of obstructing justice it doesnt rise to the same level as watergate where you had not only the break in but the coverup and clearly abuse of a number of agencies so the question is twofold one is did the president commit a any crime or an abuse of power that would merit a article of impeachment on its own related to that and number 2 do you want to remove him from office now that latter decision is going to be made if it gets through you know a passage of the house there thats going to be made by the u. S. Senate and i think its clear that hes and i think everybody generally agrees that its highly unlikely he would be removed for this but he might well be impeached for it on the surface though larry on the 4 corners of that document that came out i dont think there is an Impeachable Offense there in the context that its in in the sense that he was talking about the fact that he was asking the president it just before that comment about Vice President biden to look in the crowd strike to look into the ukrainian connection to the 2016 election and the d. N. C. And maybe the steel those cia and things have been very controversial that still are being investigated by attorney general barr and by a special. U. S. Attorney who is assigned to that and then he just says use these words because more or less of a by the way this thing with prosecution people are talking about the fact that Vice President biden asked that the prosecutor be changed and his son was working for the company being investigated that look good lets look into that i. E. You know that i wouldnt do that but i dont think it rises to lets kick the man out of office avoid an election do you buy the thought that republicans a lot of republicans secretly dislike from and would like to see this impeachment go through and on the all the side as well as the donald trump would like to be impeached to increase his standing among his followers. Well i dont think he really wants to be impeached i dont think anybody would want that i of course im not him so i cant speak for him i dont think president clinton enjoyed it one bit and we did enjoy doing it thats one thing that bothers me too is there seem to be some people really relishing and enjoying the idea but there are a lot of people in the country as a lot of congressmen and some of them im sure are and senators are republican who dont personally care for donald trump they dont like his style we havent liked it from the beginning some who wanted to remove from the day he was elected or didnt want to ever serve hes very confrontational he says a lot of stuff off the cup a lot of times what he says isnt true he really admits it and then correct it i dont think hes doing it intentionally but he doesnt read a lot there are all kinds of things you could say that if they get on the other hand from a republican perspective they like his policies and many of them like the confrontational style they really have been angered that washington bureaucracy going as big as it has specialises reagans time and they want somebody in there whos going to fight and going to what you know knock knock people down so to speak so its a bit of a mixed bag out there i still dont think that it rises to the level its going to get the public support larry that would get the senators even the republicans who may not personally care for trump to vote to oust him with an election coming up in just a few months thats especially the case i think as a republican. You concerned about removing the troops from syria i am i think on Foreign Policy some of his judgments as gut reactions are wrong hes been tempered by some of the generals around him but i dont think we should be moving out of afghanistan right now i dont think we should be moving the troops out of syria and betraying if you will the kurds that supported us so much in the battle against isis and leaving at the mercy if you will of the Turkish Forces who dont like the kurds i just think its a mistake to remove them all it. It can lead to other things that are they were bad over there president obama made a mistake in withdrawing out of some of that region previously and this president will too if he completely withdraws troops right away again not a reason to impeach him but a reason of place i would disagree with him on policy of the trade war with china thats not good for us either i dont think his trade policy is is good in that regard i definitely agree though that china is a problem we need to be dealing with them they have been taking our intellectual property for a long time im in the private sector now and i have clients in my law practice that are in china doing business and ive seen them lose out there its a centralized government still a communist government and i think there are such things today its a dictatorship as you saw the last 24 hours or so the president s fine the acknowledged i think in a formal way with some sanctions on them the fact that the wiggers have been of religious persecution has been occurring in that country by and large measure in parts of china that is not a truly free country by any stretch of imagination so i am not believing that his policy is necessarily good there but i wish him well if he can get a trade deal in next few weeks with china and standing up to them and threatening things and so forth works then well all be saying that was a really good thing but if it goes on too long as could be very bad for the economy in the next few months i think close we dont know who his opponent will be looks like joe biden has the lead although and the thing can happen in that democratic primary how well will the president do in your state. I think the president s going to be having a similar type of battle that he had before i think my state is likely to go for him again people didnt think it was going to happen last time i started it wouldnt want to bet on it but i believe that it is likely more likely than not that he will prevail in the election of course its a long time between now and next november and politics as you know a few days 24 hours can be a long time and this is months away but as of right this moment i believe that he would win probably by about the same margin that he did last time you served in the house a long time you served the same time as nancy pelosi. What do you make of her speak well i was very frankly surprised when she was elected speaker she served on the Intelligence Committee with me when i was there for several years i like nancy personally i like her husband but i never thought of her as as the speaker as the leader i thought study harder was light more likely to win if you recall he is the congressman from maryland who was her opponent back then he did not and she today is i think captured by the left the farther left part of her party in a way that i suspect shes uncomfortable with but you know shes let this impeachment inquiry go long im not sure what are in game is but i think shes wanting to stay in the speaker and she is having to do it in the disappointment here i hope i suspect is the point for her it is for me what i see any legislative progress of any meaningful legislation now since the democrats took back the house when you run for office again im not into supporting that opportunity i lost a statewide race for governor when i came out of being attorney general and i was a tough race and the 2 United States senate seats are filled now so i dont think i would like to run back again but im certainly involved and im interested and i want to do my part to help in any way i can my country. Do you think finally do you think trump will be impeached so i think its a better than 5050 chance that the democrats without very any support probably maybe one or 2 republican votes will vote to impeach him because the base of the party so strongly feels this way and its got gotten so to speak out a hand for Speaker Pelosi so i would not be surprised to see it happen but im not going to predict it will i just think its its one of those things where we are yet to see all the facts it could be that enough facts come out that will show in the next few days that people shouldnt be impeaching him for this that there are other fish to fry out there and things that come about or could be we see facts coming out where there are other facts that we dont know now that said what he did was really bad or something we cant foresee so i cant speculate except to say i think that thats what i see is right now about a 50 percent 5050 chance of it and maybe a little better based on politics bill mccullum always good to be with you thanks for your time today youre welcome thank you larry will be back with more politicking right after the break. 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Go back to politicking continuing the conversation with the Political Panel there eric beecher republican political strategist chairman of the Great American pac thats a pro Trump Organization he has worked on president ial campaigns for rand paul Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani he joins us from irvine california and in atlanta robin birol democratic strategist former old Obama Campaign region and. Retired u. S. Army ranger all right are you eric are you with those republicans disappointed with trumps plan to withdraw troops from syria. Im not actually im im within some of the i guess the rand paul republican wing and said you know look weve gone into these wars there is no clear objective into this war with syria if were not going to topple assad what are we doing there is no Strategic Plan and i think you know that the president ran on trying to withdraw our troops from around the world and really trying to focus on you know domestic on our border and so i think this is a plan that you know while he may have announced it on twitter and you know remains to be seen what the execution is going to be here but at some point we need to understand what were doing in other countries if its not in americas best centrists and its not clear to me what the objective is or what the interests is for america to be in syria at this point robin are you surprised as so many republicans dont agree with. Actually larry im not surprised particularly with Lindsey Graham because hes a veteran himself particularly with the jag corps so you know he knows and he knows Foreign Policy really well he knows that this plays right into the hands of isis they will be will see a resurgence and theyll be emboldened look when i fought overseas in afghanistan i fought side by side with the kurds they were tremendous allies of ours they had our back and we are now abandoning them so im concerned and im glad to see that some of my republican colleagues are as well larry i will search of the areas impeachment of course always in the news joe biden supporting it no 6 in 10 americans apparently supported what do you make of that erick. I think this is going to backfire on the democrats i really do and you know i think thats why Speaker Pelosi is has a 10 on call in the vote i think she realizes that this is going to be an abyss for some of the blue state democrats that are running and really purple areas from around the country especially on the house. Side so i think this is something though where theyre not able to build their case and really the messengers on the democratic side are very poor you have adam schiff who seem to be very hypocritical in terms of his presentation as well as some other democrats and even joe biden so i think you know American People have been tired of this president being undercut in the agenda being undercut they love the low Unemployment Rate they love the economy but what they dont understand is why the democrats and even some republicans are trying to undercut our agenda here through the impeachment process you said in your opening and peach mints always in the news so its been going on for 3 years and i think americans are going to get tired of. That could actually be the case i agree with erick on on a point there a new wants. Is perceiving with this very cautiously i agree i think erick that thats correct thats why shes not proceeding with a vote a she is a master at counting those votes so if she doesnt if she does not certain that shes got the vote the vote she will hold off on this trip right now is under water in certain states particularly michigan minnesota and wisconsin and the problem with the economy the economy is doing great both by and large but its benefiting disproportionately the top 25 democratic cities where its lacking are those states that really carry donald trump because theyre seeing wage stagnation the farmers are hurting so these things are going to be are going to be a problematic for President Trump we would be wise as democrats to say well we can do better in those states larry report suggests that the president wants a he she wants as something to rally his supporters by that i dont buy it at all i do think that he agrees that politically this is going to be good for them i think he understands as does nancy pelosi robins absolutely right its not just that whether or not she has the votes its just understand whether its good for her. And and and the reality is thats not and i also agree with robin that we need to have a middle class america message that you know the same one the same type of messaging that we did in 2016 and were seeing new International Issues that arise you talk about the n. B. A. And china for example things that this president can head on still talk about illegal immigration still talk about you know the trade inequities around the world thats the type of messaging that will that you know won him those states in 2016 i think both nancy pelosi and donald trump understand that the message of impeachment is bad for democrats and its good for the president but there also needs to be an alternative on what can we do better for especially for middle class America Robin in the strong as to hes looked in a long while it would be much in Joe Biden Tim the impeachment what do you make of that and would that increases chances. Hes got to get getting some traction here in the new cycle in some fashion larry hes really kind of disappointed me on this situation with the ukraine so im glad to see that is making press today about pietschmann them fortunate part about is that its a little bit late all the rest of the candidates have already come out strongly in favor of this so i think this will be a short story in the news cycle but it was a strong message and i appreciate his delivery of it larry i think youll be impeached. I dont think theyre going to do it and i know people say well now they she has to do it and the house has to do it i think she realizes bad politically and the other thing it does do is if youre going to bring this all in and you can have republicans testify youre going to bring joe 100 bought into this and i think that simple o. C. And many people on the democratic side believe that joe biden is the only viable candidate in the general so if theyre going to have this impeachment process theyre also going to bring down joe biden and i think if that occurs the president s going to win reelection rather easily in this impeachment that may pass in the house certainly not pass in the senate so it to me its bad political move and thats why i dont think the impeachment will happen. And larry i think the best possible outcome here ive been calling for over a year when we had the mother investigation and we had speculation a back way back then about impeachment ive been saying for over a year that theyd be wise to launch an impeachment inquiry that way we could do a Fact Finding Mission to get all of this information out that the ministration had been stonewalling and are continuing to to this day and let the public decide with their vote right now strategically timing wise i think thats a strong move to just let americans decide with their vote but going full impeachment as eric just said its not going to fly in the senate i think that would be a strategic mistake for us larry the only issue of that robin though is you know the president and the administration and us as republicans weve wised up to that so we can briley push back and say hey why arent you impeaching are you only doing this politically are you doing this for the better move the country so i think again you know nancy pelosi is very smart and she understand exactly how to not just to hold her caucus but really to move those votes and so id be very interested to see if she follows through with that strategy that you just laid out because i think as republicans we can push back and say youre only doing this for political agenda just on that for the last 2 years without any results from the mall or investigation so that also can turn on the democrat. Its robin on the political side. Elizabeth warrens rise was she left leads the democrats in polling. She is shes been shes been doing great larry is specifically with the numbers at her rallies which would be a bone of contention for President Trump who cares a whole heck of a lot about the numbers at his rallies shes been at the rally that she just had most recently pulled in over 20000 people which rivals what President Trumps polls and for an average rally the rally before that pulled in 14000 so these are big numbers shes got the edge when it comes to enthusiasm even going back as far as say the iowa state fair she had about 3 times as many people i once following her around the joe biden did so shes got an edge and shes got the enthusiasts and i think President Trump should be looking at her right now as a possible someone to defeat. May be a strong word but erick one democrat do you fear the most. You know i really meant that joe biden to me is the only democrat that can. Be a competitor to donald trump and the general election i think of Elizabeth Warren i think she has a populous message much like Bernie Sanders said in 2016 but you know she has a lot of. Type of circumstances you know you talk about you know the harvard professor and things of that nature and getting into the school so i think theres just a lot of hits and attacks on her that will run with 3 men with the American People but also remains to be seen you know theres been some scuttlebutt about Hillary Clinton coming into the race that be interesting to see again but to me i think joe biden is the only viable candidate and i think he has a real message and problem at this point in time robin is supporting any democrat. Oh there are so many that look good right now mike ive got my favorite 3 and that would be Elizabeth Warren joe biden and Amy Khloe Bashar i think shes someone to watch because she also is a moderate centrist and she speaks a message that really would resonate in those states that donald trump carried that hes having trouble with right now larry do you think will now carry michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin. I do the number one i mean he has more money with the r. And c. To be able in groups like ours to be able to get his message out and i think hes going to get back to the basics of what won the 2016 election. From the continue to talk about illegal immigration and protecting the border a love for him to talk about getting out of foreign an unnecessary wars are not topping secular dictators and i love to talk about the trade in equities it is going to impact as robin mentioned some of the farmers in iowa and things of that nature but you know there are this is also a Long Term Plan in place that says hey were going to make sure that we have better deals from around the country and really have america 1st type of policies i think hes going to get back into that during this campaign i know that were going to get back into that and i also like the feel thats going against him i think theres a lot of vulnerabilities rather mention 3 great candidates on the democratic side but theres a lot of vulnerabilities there and i love to see that head to head between him and his about the war and inside of michigan inside of wisconsin inside of pennsylvania again to me only joe biden can compete in those areas Elizabeth Warren cannot. Do this for a minute rob and what has surprised you the most politically. Larry every single waking day is a new surprise awaits us all and i actually nothing surprises me politically. This this week with with syria as it did somewhat but but. Really honestly at this point nothing there nothing surprises me every day im sitting there with my hands up to my head like thing not again oh my gosh what now eric these robin viro thank you both so much thanks larry thank you larry and thank you audience for joining me on this edition of politicking a remember you can join the conversation on my Facebook Page or tweet me at kings things and dont forget to use the politicking hash tag and thats all for this edition of politicking. Aeroflot russian and lights. 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