Us who gave you the idea of buses for homeless you know sort of being building buses and coaches for the last 5 or 6 years now and one day i walked into the yard and there was a 68 year old gentleman who was a close friend of mine who was actually sleeping rough under way you put your luggage in a coach now that broke my heart so literally that day we went out we brought him a bus to go back to the yard and kitted out where heaven his 3 kids his dogs lived and for 2 years now he had 3 dogs so he couldnt get into social housing and honestly seeing somebody like that who had given me a lot of help and support you know the logical thing was to help ford and make a difference you recently made big steps forward for buses youve got your site what do you to the buses do because the theyre all designed for a different job and yes so we were looking a really holistic approach alex so weve got a bus that eating sleeping learning and well being you know so we were slightly different to most night shelters or day centers were saying to these guys come down heres your bunk heres your storage weve got you for an extended period of time and nipped off and have a shower and get cleaned up and then right lets get you back on your fit clock time to you Jason Armstrong youve been militia youve been homeless family break up pooled yourself and you know helping with this project what is your assessment as somebody whos experienced hopelessness of the buses for homeless project 6 weeks ago. I was getting back into work i was homeless for 4 months ago i went to an organization an organization were trying to find some employment and the lady told her my story and she said to me a gentleman is a project called buses fire. Yes so i left the office and got in contact with dan soon eyes and invite me down for an interview and then its gone from there. 6 weeks to god my work. Guns now of man drop. Are going both the instructor way and you know its made me just give me more really im overcover you know the emptiness and loneliness that obvious feeling when i was resigned us. Was very painful. And. You know i cannot i had a couple of people in there to. Give me a hand and Community Support i needed i was you know very shining forward and theres a lot of confusion going on in my in my head. And the course youre still having pool just self by a good. Way to the probably that must be a bit of a cut to the people who using the services of buses for homeless men. I mean you know. Just over 4 months ago i was homeless i now live in a dry house now which is for the other guys but as a stepping stone for me its a roof over my head. You know of our truck there are you know in the morning and them up for structure back into my life and john do you find the help of people like jason and some of the guys and people youve got involved. Is that going to make your project get to the absolutely need a whole ethos behind the buses for Homeless Program is really to facilitate more people like jason you know he has hit rock bottom know all he wants to do is help the Homeless People forward throughout the period of time that weve been in the development of the build stage weve had 5 or 6 different other people who have been rough sleeping at times all been homeless and its just amazing these guys have the skills they have the tolls they have the knowledge they just need our support and as jason rightfully alluded to its that hope. That were trying to create you know that is another way and people whove walked the talk we want these guys coming back and mentoring and leading the next group of people through the program and its just an absolute pleasure to have jason and all the others who have been with us and were really excited about moving forward now that weve got all statics lined up and were ready to start you up its all in all it just so will by you know we will be so so the initial part of the program is 8485 percent of rough sleep is male so with especially the safeguarding issues of having man and woman on the same bus as a pilot phase well be looking at men predominantly from there we will be once we cannot see them when we get more experienced and growing will be open to everybody that has been on the rough sleeping or is back and Supportive Housing as well were not going to discriminate we just want to help and make a big difference in peoples lives both a practical question and a coachbuilder yourself trade. What will you use it just as a lot of interest was so so theres a huge scottish kind of connection there as well i did email. The founder of stagecoach and they have been incredibly generous and in support of our program theyve donated us for buses at the start of the of the air and they bring in of just confirms a little bit losses which were booking folk. Day by a good friend of yours so the. Buses i could have built to last a day they are in you know they are big structures and its amazing once you take out the seats its amazing what you can do to inside a double decker and huge thanks to everybody at stagecoach but most importantly they got in touch with us last month and said then once people come through. Your program can we then put them in drive apprenticeships in order to potentially get them out there in employment now let for us is just amazing and again they have been so incredibly supportive as were the community as well and have a soviet other backers and of people been helping with the illegal lifestyle bus for example. Here to get people to stop for good to job interviews and things absolutely so the whole premise of the program is really to work out how and why these people become homeless in the 1st place now most people wrongly assume that drugs and alcohol were the leading factors however we believe there are coping mechanism a for life on the street but most importantly life and hair and hair and so its almost pulling back the layers of the onion you know through reiki meditation Mindfulness Energy healing as well as more clinical psychologists as well were trying to get deep into their psyche to work out how and why and find the root cause and once we help them through that then we package them back with as much love support coping mechanisms as possible and then we move them over to learning buswell of teaching so often vocational skills in order to reengage them back into employments or like jason and help them set up his own business again and really help him get on his feet and run them well youve had some celebrity but i mean a. Good bye to. Her was the impact of little celebrity on such a program such as great assistance so basically just are they just another shilled up to the wheel looking ive got full body goosebumps you know debbie had a lovely daughters and everyone has been so supportive of what were dealing you know into salable last year we all tamed up and drove around london with a bus full of santas sacks and 500. 00 pieces of clothing and it was incredible this time around where were looking to team up on the 3rd of december with doing a. Christmas lunch for 100 Homeless People and touch wood will work with the girls in order to do the same thing for the people who turn up them so. People watching the show in the world but no one in any country certainly not in rich countries such as the as the u. K. Likes the c. L. Of people who just destitution so what would be your message to all members of the public you know in the past by a homeless person actively get involved in and confronting this issue where are ya i suggest that the individual just gives 5 minutes of their time soon you know like conversation with the person and just give them a bit of love and support in our show you compassion. And you know that this might stop that individual feel a lot more calm for becomes within the just how you were 5 minute chat about a minute for the whole day to just acknowledge your 1st 100 percent you know because you know when when are we in that experience when i was harmless. You know to have someone give me that there time give me motion proving myself and made me then guarded and in our. Help were needed to us of organizations that will waver even if you know for the doctors or wherever just give me encouragement to give me your stuff and any message to the authorities to the politicians to the parliament obsessed by my brights that the government successive governments mollies to tackle was partly intractable problem is a simple practical message you could give to politicians will look theres 9000 people sleeping rough on the street in london tonight and thats 9000 too many please reach out to was would love to talk were here to help as much as possible. And please do get in touch would love to help. Place a coviello to be what i come to this offer you the alex salmond quick quick. Diamond foster and im going to get you one is well thats incredibly. Quick its a loving cup liquid the feel of a book talking softly softly into the quick and. Thank you so marvel of a toast to they will be a lot of time. In orange juice going in here later on this evening alex thank you very much for inviting us now to the bones and i think you. Really did miss that. Im not. Jason thanks so much for coming in to thank you thank you so much thanks for safety please thank you after the break alex speaks to some of the celebrity supporters who are on the buses can their efforts make a difference join us. In this community there are people who believe that its ok. Its really hard there are no jobs and you see that ive got kids that ask and as a parent. I can come up with lots of arguments theres a lot of conflict in the game between the teams close to the conflict i would say. Money and most of them money has made. Us want to know each other because he knows each other is Good Business the state of california alone makes 6000000000. 00 a year of prison complexes you get some 20 year life where. You dont care. So you care mind anything. You know on the condition was that the United States should remove the sanctions and then the talks would be possible what are the United States refused to do so there is an increasing mistrust to argue right and states that because of your other friends used to do it so there was a real concern that if youre wrong goes to the negotiation unit assurance with the United States and then the United States again refuses to move to sanctions like the same they did to north korea everything would be very stunned. I am 100 i. Am going live. 101. Welcome back with politics consumed by brecks it alex looks at some of the issues which should be dominating the political agenda we join him talking to some of the soap stars and singers who have let their support to the buses for homeless initiative. Lets talk to some of the crew of buses for homeless on the way to be joined by Debbie Arnold by johnson but tara johnson though you know in short bursts. Devolved. Buses for homework so how did you involve your 2 daughters wasnt as ive always done stuff for the homeless you know for years and years and years but ive always had a passion ive always thought you know what somebody should do is take some london buses and convert them into buses for the homeless and then i found out about that kids and i met down the 1st time i met i went for a meeting with him because i thought this is the best idea i took my baby with kim so how did you ready for a good to evolve to your moms alter i think actually they were meeting for lunch so i think i just kind of gate crashed the lunch and then i kind of took it upon myself to then get involved in everything that was such a lovely idea and then got holly are involved as well because we kind of all during separate things and then we just kind of and then sometimes idea about christmas tell us so we were pretty big on christmas and our household with her and there was this car a bit crazy and by a lot presence its lovely and weve always sort of thought of folks our mom that a lot of work for the homeless when she was growing up a nice thing to do is going give christmas presents back to the homeless and i spoke to my sister and shed met i kind of came together and thought why dont we do a big charity run and see 100 christmas socks to get our homeless and then it was snowballed from there and it just went at it mart and then we got lots of different stuff from different places to put in we also got a lot of donations in and so tell you what else to buy stuff and we all bought Different Things from different places mainly donations 3 a social media everything so what the listing of the christmas us both seen the footage of the new clearly people heard the streets are delighted to get up a christmas parcel there but to go to the given receivers a. Big i dont mean to help us feel good when youre giving a bill for enjoyment to people who are searching for so yeah it was it was something really special i think what we tried to do is we didnt focus on. Sara lee on all the shelters we kind of we grabbed a sack each and we kind of stopped the bus wherever we code and we tried to find people that would be you know in the most wonderful position and i think they were the people we got most of the response from they were just it was so overwhelming they were so thankful and i think the main things it was so cold this particular christmas and we were giving them goodie bags and blankets and stuff and i think that was their biggest thing you know like the warmth that we kind of provided for them. And it was the most amazing amazing feeling they were so so grateful to tell you this despite all the conversations you had with people stuck in your boat those i mean everybody i said everyone was everyone stories completely unique and you know some people are there for reasons that you could imagine and some economists i spoke to one woman in particular i sat with her for maybe an hour and i know it sounds stupid but my god was it cold i sat there for an hour and she says that every single night i spoke to her and asked her about her life and how she ended up going on the streets in this particular lady who had sat on the streets in this particular spot shed been there for 30 years its. Just amazing you dont think you think people are on the street virtual prison time of the they sort themselves out and thats it but there are these people who are there that you know we hear every year and this is their life and it just makes you really reflect on your own life and you go back into your house and think youre so lucky you really really take things for granted and dont realize the source of your lane recently was a blog got a lot of hits and somebody was experiencing being homeless for 5 days before interest of me or both of you survived the experience pretty well who lived just with us was a highly intelligent person who was doing a blog he could will blossom quite easily into the station shows and things and get a free show buses but for most people. No i think you also again its a pride thing a lot of people wont want to go and ask if they can go and use someones toy or the puppets will the station toilets because it then really shows that they are. We vulnerable and as much as these people are extremely vulnerable thats the last thing they ever want to show i think it comes back again with us giving our apostles and some people were a bit funny with taking them even at christmas because it comes to the level of my set being a bit patronising and people dont want that especially with people who are rough sleepers who have come from the military there are a lot of people are complementary who dont know how to adapt in society that those kind of people dont want to help which is which is understandable but its also very sad because youre not there to be patronizing you well thats genuinely help people we had other things on and on down this process as well we had some dresses on on board on the buses and we tried to give people had coats and other things that wasnt just kind of giving them materialistic things like we tried to give them more of an experience a lot of. People are. Going for job interviews and stuff like that but the thing is i think its to make them feel better and i do have is that i think when you look obviously you know as a as a person who was lucky enough to live in a house the shower wash hair every day something normal but you live on the streets and you cant do that and a lot of places where people wouldnt go and use even public toilets or things that are so having the luxury of being able to have a hair wash of a haircut you look in a mirror and actually see that you dont look like somebody who is sleeping rough you look like a normal person that to them is a big thing and as you were saying you know like you know it was universal credit you know it just takes 2 weeks for somebody to be where they were living and i think the thing what dunn is doing with buses for the homeless is making little poles in london buses and that not only are they giving some people so much to live theyre also bringing in people to you know rehabilitate them into society again to get them jobs to get back in there i mean i cannot imagine what it must be like to have had some of these people have been you know well she had good jobs and now they have nothing theyre a shame that i want to go home. I cant imagine what it must be like its must be an. Adobe you believe all of them leave the list to slaughter was the killer so shouldnt a person be very proud of your daughters for sure to kill what would be. Your lesson trying to deliver practical help to people but i think thats the most important you know as they say you know give a man a fish eats for a day teach a man to fish and he is for life weve got to bring people back to society and show them what to do i mean an i phone today is enough for you to make a living on it so you know something that you can do some people everyone thats homeless could really do something and make some money they just need to know how they need to be taught they need to be integrated back into society and i would and that is what don is doing and thats what were trying to help them tell you what. It was memorable experience for me from your efforts or supposed to think a realistic. I think that id one of the best things about doing actually was i was so shocked ive ive never done it before and i think actually the big overall experience that you get from being able to help somebody else its not something i actually really get to do very often in day to day life you dont really get to say that youve gone out and youve made a difference in helping people and i think that just by the end of the day i wanted to quit my job and do it full time because you just feel so you have such an amazing feeling of ever sponsibility that youve actually done something to help people and i strongly urge anyone who ever has any even if its going out and giving somebody a bottle of water on the street or even when you go past someone acknowledge that theyre there because that was one of the biggest things we got told was people are homeless and theyve gone through whatever has happened to them to become homeless but the one thing they hated the most was being ignored and even if somebody is on the street and theyre asking for money if you just say sorry dont have any other way say thank you its not theyre not doing it to be they dont like being ignored i think things like that are just Little Things that you pick up so now if i ever see anyone on the street when you go to buy. Coffee by a ball of water things that die just makes you a bit more wise so whats going on around you i think thats why i picked up the most of the whole experience of killer surfing new experiences but of give you a little so which helps im your only was americas i think the main thing is just how fortunate we all are and we have an ink we have incredible jobs and weve been given such wonderful opportunities and in a way it makes you feel quite guilty that you know youre in a position that things come a little bit easier sometimes and then you do see these people whereas you know getting getting a job or the smallest thing is such a big thing for them to explain exactly whats holly was saying the smallest thing a really really long way and i think thats something in our profession that we dont necessarily ever really think about because it all comes a little bit easier to us live is that what Lesson Learned youre sort of talking to the Prime Minister all of the just one of the. Backyard to lower the 1st level and i just want to look at what youre talking to because politicians were polled over this what would be your your big message to the person whos look around you you know actually its very good that you said that because as you know when you go into parliament when you go through the westminster tube station it goes through the back way into parliament there are people hundreds of people sitting there that are homeless and you think all these m. P. s run past them every day do they not see them i mean whats going on in westminster square everywhere Homeless People when i was growing up when i was that age there were people around like that there were thousands of people what is going on somebody has got to see whats happening i think thats the thing the focus at the moment is a lot of things which are a lot more important shall we say you know that every News Coverage everywhere pretty much is about something to do with bracks it and understandably so huge thing thats going on and thats fine however those issues there are other issues that dont subside just because Something Else has come into play. So i think it shouldnt be forgotten because its something that is always been that its getting worse and surely in Todays Society with everything that we have and all the resources that we have it shouldnt really be a problem anymore so even i think things are just everybody chipping in a little bit and remote remembering is still there would be something to consider but if you were speaking to cue up what would be no such i think education is a big thing as well i think educating people as to what is going on around them because people are unaware people havent seen this firsthand necessarily so out yet for me i think education is the power that there be fewer tell your folks what should be in the sure things found plays out with political debate consumed by bricks that key issues should be left in the shadows of these great issues eclipsed none is more pressing or more shameful than the housing crisis this stretches across United Kingdom but nowhere is it more pressing than in the capital city of london it is more than half a century since ralph make tells poignant record streets of london soared up the charts and since then the Homeless Charity said been well supported by a public perplexed and embarrassed by the sight of rough sleepers a visible and shameful demonstration of the poverty among londons plenty experts will postulate that the crisis is many facets Mental Health family breakup ex Service Persons trauma the breakdown of source of security no doubt all of these things are important however both working with the homeless will tell you absolutely that for a very few this is in any sense a life choice the homeless are not there by preference that is why in these programs weve turned to examples of practical initiatives in the capital. Those engaged in both the brixton soup kitchen and buses for homeless know that their efforts make but to me are dead on the scale of the issues which are being engaged however there is both the belief that their efforts to make a difference accompanied by the desire that one see their biology campaigns will no longer be required but what is experience outside the confines of the capital when you return to the issue of homelessness and a couple of weeks well look at where the Public Policy has made a difference across the United Kingdom and ask whether any European Society has got to grips with this intractable problem next week its back to brics that where we look at the state of play in the aftermath of the Party Conference season with a howling deadline looming can the Prime Minister pull off a deal well hear big instructions shes received from the courts and parliament will be finally resolved by an election or another referendum or both so for now from alex and me and all issue is goodbye and we hope to see you next thank. 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