Motowns in iran and centrally iran who was selling american dollars. In fact the leadership of the Islamic Republic is has made many kind of position for all the iranians and they need this in order for the news that he has said several times in order to attract were that tension because if theyre not already probably just stops being enemy of the United States know whether he takes any notice of it this is that he says that if he abandoned out how to meditate on his stance because like pakistan even if you have Nuclear Weapons know where the ability to mr and mrs. To hear it dont you think that the americans or the trumpet ministration of least has aided these attention seeking on the part of the leadership in teheran because i mean one thing is its propaganda but economic sanctions and this tightening of the screws that the. Trumpet ministration how. Persued is something very serious i mean if we just look at that figure is how much oil iran has been able to export over the last couple of years the figures show a very very dramatic plunge from some 2500000 Barrels Per Day a couple of years ago to almost 100000 and to live this is a very very dramatic decline and im sure the fact everybody into iran whether people are in in the government or simply as you said on the street and yes you know the there is a difference in and usually for the past 40 years their patent had been established between the United States and the Islamic Republic according to this pattern and the Islamic Republic rules do some i guess if moves you know some mischief from their Medicine Point of view but then quietly if you treat then the United States would offer some concessions and then be to go for the next phase but you know the 2 how to lead to do this dance together the dog going beyond certain limits for example the Islamic Republic has always had an american hostage or to a number of images of hostages and the americans have negotiated with for the dillies of this hostages but neither side wanted to go beyond certain difference and he said he was storing the tension in the persian gulf if you know in the gulf of oman that he said that tax on the saudi that is beyond saw an extra kid was taken into iran so that nobodys kid is not on the ship thought about the damaged. Medicare and target is attacked and so on. But mr trump has changed this dance because he insists you know that the. Islamic republic should in fact surrender to him hes done today therefore a secret they go she says yes he wants to take a picture of that on the on the that is as he did read north korea to say. You know in the next election that i tamed i dont scurry as i bleed the chinese i. Counted yes or 4 interlined i brought there by laws of tehran and so on so trump has changed the rules of the game that has been going on for 40 years but with all due respect is it the is it the only trying to change that because as you mentioned there has been some moves and countermoves from both sides over the last couple of decades but its been a couple of weeks since the absolutely brazen attack on the Saudi Oil Facilities a few months since the still mysterious strikes against oil tankers in the sea of amman as you mentioned geez think those advances have the same muster mind and do you think this treaty call for obscure he has but obscure but very profound very impactful kids that we havent witnessed before is likely to continue. Really dont know because you know the Islamic Republic was playing the 40 year old game according to this stablish rules but. Now this is that it does have absolutely no impact trump is not ready you know to do anything you know in any form of concessions you know the 12 points put by secretary of state usa could devastate from pill for it is a republican they are in fact cutting them all out in tehran but the United States is not giving them any of the wars for that is not telling them you know like for example president obama did or president bush did before about 3 gun did carter the clinton did all of that but then went Islamic Republic treaty to the little bit didnt want to you 1000000 today the decider gesture of friendship even president obama smuggled money to todays driver here probably for president theyve got a smile good officer to the Islamic Republic but they dont last so the leadership in tehran says that their. It was out of the game have changed and trump does not want to know to play the or game hes playing another jay by the fact nobody knows what this new games rules are i gather its from your writings that you put the blame for those attacks squarely on test runs something that the leadership into iran denies and something that i have to say the russian intelligence agencies also dispute if you believe the iranians are behind the attacks on that call on oil tankers why do you think they would do Something Like that well 1st of all i didnt say that iran was behind to descend into either and i and if if i believed it i would write it so you dont think thats the case i dont know but what im saying is that its looks like a game that has been playing for deposit fortius you know the. Us embassy in tehran was clear you know it was the beginning of all the patton you know do taekwondo matins stationed in beirut you know i dont want to go hostages dining over the head of the cia in beirut where there is a recent attacks maybe they were done by jinnys or by i dont talk about j. T. I dont know but what is clear is that oil does that he said. Exactly following the old pattern they have not worked well mr to harry you said that there has been a long established pattern and yet i think many people with claim that. We have never seen before Something Like the attacks on im a facility i know that you suggested that whoever planned those attacks was more interested in testing the waters and seeing how far it was possible to go without the making a crushing response inevitable but taking out half of the Saudi Oil Production even temporarily strikes me as more than just testing the waters its actually taking a pretty. Deep pliant do you think that hackers actually for such massive damage could they have imagined that this crucial facility would be last so nakedly and protected with similar things have happened before you know in 1000. 867 days the media probably interrupted the flow of oil from kuwait by fighting im under thank you its the americans reflect the tank and exported or loss as american origin and this time maybe it was a bit bigger than the attack on iraq or but it comes in the context of. A different context of oil or oil trade because the united this is no longer dependent on the persian gulf or it it does because of the biggest producer of oil itself and the saudis have huge reserves in. Which they have closed because they dont want the price of oil to come down and attack on. Recent attacks will be compensated for a did a few weeks so you know its not going to have a long term effect that does or cant see the price of oil has not jumped as expected and i dont think theres i mean he probably wanted the price of oil to jump or this i would be ordered to be interrupted only 2. 00 wanted to do was to do the exactly the whole game to say you see if you prefer prevent me and they said openly is a fish caught exported or that nobody else would be able to export our or so please Pay Attention to us but we need to do a bit of mischief to keep our position as a revolutionary movement as a successor to the soviet union as a challenge to capitalism and imperialism and western domination of the of the things they say you know all of this discourse is centered on that please let us have that discourse we are not going. To do that to go beyond the set and i dont know that you also believe that with the trumpet mr ation tightening the screws on iran the status quo is becoming increasingly unsustainable for the reigning letisha but isnt that also true for the saudi leadership dont they also have reasons to kind of shake things up because its clear that donald trump is not rushing to that defines this is clear that all the billions that baseband on those. Air Defense Systems are sensually. A waste of time and money so dont you think that the saudis would also have a motive to get some attention from the United States and particularly donald trump yes but you know this i would have been done anything to gain attention or not and then by repeated this i would destroy the law on their own resources and deposit in the past 40 years that you are talking about so it is all it is how did on policy views of you know on their allies of the United States but they were not complete followers of the United States so we did. Islamic republic in tehran to organize the islamic summit even paid for it iran had very good editions with president rafsanjani the. Highest number of places for the hatch pretty good image. Which is not many to advise for permission they did a lot of favors i did issues between the 2 sides they improved but as i try to tell you in this conversation the pattern of the game in the past 40 years has changed there was a start disco in rich nobody was happy but nobody was too unhappy either but now that the status quo is being destabilized and we dont know what is going to take its place well mr to hear what we know for sure is that we now have to take a very very short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. What holds an age to. Put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or some want to be rich. But you going to be close its like before 3 of the people are. Interested in the water. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is often spearing Dramatic Development only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Welcome back to worlds apart of any of the haiti and their brainy and the writer and the chairman of the gates to an institute in europe mr to here we have been discussing the americans the iranians the saudis lets talk about the europeans now because just the other day the leaders of the United Kingdom france and germany came out with a what i thought was a very strange statement blaming the our im caught attack on you. Ron and thats after weeks of kind of trying to seed on the fans and trying to keep that atrocity what do you think happened to the e. U. 3 well you know the there is between a rock on the hearts place they dont know what to do because. They dont want this tension between the United States and the Islamic Republic to go beyond set and limits because if something absolutely disastrous happens in the vijender utopia has really been the 1st to suffer you know days i mean the public has a record of terrorist activities in European Countries especially in france 117 people have been assassinated the pos 40 s but in the past 10 years the Islamic Republic has be quiet it has not been doing any mischief in europe it does been trading with europe so the europeans want to keep that i do when i talk to the european as policymakers leaders etc they say they have 3 preoccupations that the 1st preoccupation is that if this situation in egypt and i did this live if you probably goes beyond certain limb is out of to be going to have a systemic collapse in iran like you had in syria the 2nd problem is that a lot distension is spread through the whole of the middle east because that as shiites in various. Other countries apart from iran it would become a big mess the feds. Problem or can send the europeans have you know this thing goes beyond the set and limits who voted. Try to clear this mess is there somebody to run it on off the Islamic Republic force because they Islamic Republic has many many open and some argued i mean as are many groups many parties but there isnt you know on the horizon an alternative regime so these are the european because it believes they have so many concerns. As you mentioned whats the point though for essential abandoning iran when it needs them most and siding indirectly siding with the americans because this is essentially what they did they not only didnt deliver on diet part of day scipione but they are now putting the blame for everything on the iran and doing it in a very very strange way because that the statement that i mentioned it doesnt cite any evidence it makes no mention of a Television Source as it simply says that there is no other plausible explanation as if it was an exercise in formal logic rather than intelligence collection if if we are talking about an act of war which is what the attack on iran could was doesnt it war and a harsher response than these retorted wagging over think well i dont know because i dont said the european policy but today im just stunned this situation and i dont justify it but you know do they really think that if the side completely redesigned here probably did lose all influence be trump on this issue is better to keep some influence or trump this is a Vice President micro enough rounds talk to President Trump about accepting and on official visit to be on his joining the g. 7 summit by us is that if the foreign minister and the americans accept it so you know the maybe side usually ideally dont know because President Trump is a very complicated. Leader ive never met him you know i havent talked to him so but the o. P. s think that he is a state influence of a so you have to give him something every now and then for hes our president does a tax doesnt cost anything but on the other hand be to yaz that look you know we are working for you we are trying to. Negotiate a Credit Facility for us 15. 1000000000. 00 does love your publics needs 60000000000. 00 a yeah in order to pay these essential. Expenses you know the side of his of his Civil Service is military so the o. P. s if you are working on the president micro is really a far as i can think dedicated to it is i mean he probably assembled this money and im so right until hes off of them any kind of position election receive trump is that if trump is not there so you know they have a short term policy of temping both sides giving a little self to the americans i need to stop. You know he has said so that the 2 have influence on both size and that influence is please dont go beyond set the limits now you know i had a chance to talk to Foreign Ministers that have just after his trip to france and there are that interview he was as usual mocking the europeans all for not being able to stand up to the american pressure but that was also clear that he was Still Holding out their hold that the europeans may come around be j. C. B. Away the nuclear deal may still be salvaged or that iran at the very least may be able to exploit this rift between europe and america dont you think that we had this european turnaround. The europeans may gain some influence with trump whatever its worth but they may lose that influence with the would they ran eons i dont know because you know the i understand the position of that you found who on the outside done it in a very bad situation not to do to their own faults you know youre doing 3 date and then media to see activity the but the center of their policy has been this nukes the nuclear so if you does debt you know that they have really nothing. To feel that told me. It and they have lost hope is european so that it has to walk to utopia so that he will tell his opponents in iran you see im also mocking the they are p. S. By the same time quietly to talk to the europeans to try to assemble their money as i suggested. If that is. Salvaged or a floating for another year or 2 on to the end of the american position election that also that action is it Islamic Republic itself next march which is very important if there is nothing you know if the present situation continues if the european hopis or so does just that rouhani is that if their groovin be wiped out soon after these e. U. 3 statement was published president rouhani indicated that he is now open to a madmans to the nuclear deal provided that the United States lifted sanctions is that the little to lay did do you think there is still a chance for these if a deal to be resurrected yet you know this amendments or is suggested even before trump became president for example and you dont how do i get it to do these additional protocols and you know out of the 52. 00 sites it on the nuclear sides or early 22 have been open to inspection but there are not probably is to open the other 2 have as well but the problem is read the american side you know really trump and his group be satisfied. Or not even if they are satisfied do they one does iran have said and to be advertised you know to be photographed to feed it to be on t. V. To be on russia today t. V. And every other t. V. Or not that would be very difficult for the Islamic Republic to accept Islamic Republic is ready to do because incisions but quietly not to lose face it. Interesting you say that because i was watching a delayed as interviewed the generosity of gave to c. N. N. And he still strikes me as being a little bit similar to the Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov who has this habit of sort of talking around trump whenever there is a negative development he tends to attribute that to the american bureaucracy some midlevel saboteur within the administration but not the commander in chief itself and i thought that that he was pretty much playing the same game do you think the iranians are still hoping to leverage mr trump albeit indirectly. I hope not yet and im not you know are blaming everything on. American bureaucracy or anybody you know the u. S. Has by lots of problems in iran i dont know whether there is time to talk about these or not these bilateral problems john to be solved very quickly is there multilateral problems that are difficult to solve and then you know you need regular diplomacy and at the moment the President Trump diplomacy seems very difficult for me that he through our new you know whoever that is and place and in tehran they dont have to play just one game you know if youre know how to play chess you dont necessarily know how to play poker so sudden this somebody comes and prays another day and they dont know what to do with it you know their best hope is to temporize and they continue on to the next American Election if trump is out there sigh of relief because the democrats are better disposed towards the Islamic Republic and if trump is dead he would no longer need to bring people out take photographs or read them in order to be done election so you know maybe we can go back to the old james. Quietly give you consistent as i quietly you have a living pressure on us and finally let me ask you a question about the. Raney in elections i know that you believe that the divisions between belabor else and the hardliners in iran are more theatrical than substantive in the us given that to be a month away from being a parliamentary vote in iran would you really want the or all jaimes every faction to be on to mind in my opinion to know it is better to you know to the to lead this revolution and Islamic Republic to go to its logical conclusion but you know the problem is in the days later he published his death neither side neither of these rival was are allowed to order and they believed to carry out their policies so you know the whole country is paralyzed and despite our lease is against the interests of iran as a nation and they just seem to serve you down as a vehicle for the who may decide that evolution is so. You know for example before i came to see you here i passed in front of the british house of commons read out breaks it for and against demonstrations and i talked to some participants they are as divided as iranians are in the Islamic Republic at the moment they hate each other theyre not even ready to talk to each other but nevertheless they are bound to by a different set of values down by the institutions down by history and in the end you know they can manage the differences through elections and is that he probably has done possibly you know how many of the hostages who are not kept in these Islamic Republic are people who have been campaigning for Islamic Republic have been campaigning for Islamic Revolution in europe and the United States because they have been encouraged by Rouhani Zuhdi faction and people. Before that you know there are many pro. Islamic republic you dont yeah as outside you dont who did not go back to you know well i missed it so here i suppose you are probably one of them im not one of them yes really you can go back freely to iran no no i dont i dont know i dont want to go back to you know what im saying is that because im not the as so forth that i was obviously a public ive been open until i was director of public i was saying that out so forth as of his life if you publicly did not go back because there would be audience to you know this is because they make it public leadership is divided if there is one day that she read through on the strategy then you would know the news well i missed it to hear you have to leave it there nonetheless thank you very much for being with us today i really enjoy im sorry it is finished well our viewers can definitely keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same time on the worlds apart. 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