A but unfortunately the home secretary and also the immigration Authorities Say the immigration courts dont feel that the risk is this is high my real concern here is that we have a government that appears to be committed to prosecuting cases of f. C. S. And throwing the book ethnic minority families when this f. D. M. In this country but when it comes to protecting girls the terrorist abroad and legitimately claim asylum the governments all too ready to refuse that claim because in my view if a socalled hostile immigration environment and theyre not given the status that they so desperately need so i says real contradiction in the governments approach time and time again played out a new cases sadly of the tour of the world news for now back in less than half an hour to take you through some of the Key Takeaways of rupture of the 74th u. N. General assembly next low cross talk on the march of the impeachment brigade towards drums white house. Manufacture consent to public wealth. When the ruling classes protect themselves. With the crime. Nor middle of the room. Hello and welcome to cross talk or all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle its always only been a matter of time impeachment has always been on the agenda settling on the issues in process was the sticking points the democrats and the liberal media aim to remove trump ramapo over a telephone call to the ukrainian president what could possibly go wrong. Talking impeachment im joined by my guest rob talbot new york hes a humorist as well as a newsmax columnist in washington we have a lionel hes a legal analyst a news decoder at lionel media dot com also in washington we cross to christopher he is a republican strategist and founder of the ny one group are gentle. In fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it lionel let me go to you 1st here do you agree with what i said in my introduction it was only a matter of time they just were looking for an issue and with the election cycle upon us they want to get what they want one more bite at the apple to see if they can remove him which if you look at the math and you look at the Public Opinion polls and this whole ridiculous business with ukraine it seems like its a pretty bad idea go ahead lionel. Hold east by their own petard and the reason for this is that the election is next year and rather than come up with a platform rather than come up with something idea of a vision a dream something an idea something for the voters to perhaps maybe grasp on no instead they keep feeding this runaway train the mob this is a giant of this trump derangement syndrome cycle let me also explain that not only will the he remained unscathed this bolsters him it burn you sit him and the idea that youre going to start impeachment and they never say conviction or remove or i dont even think they understand that merely impeaching a president does not remove them so i thought waste of time per usual ok thats a very good point and i wrote on facebook i think it was yesterday is that removal is not the aim its impeachment is its all about a process its about to control the news narrative to continue pressure on trump and theres many reasons to criticize trump as president i could give a litany of them but the reasons that theyre going after i find ludicrous we went through this russia hoax for almost 3 years and now they want to go down the path of another one how do they win by doing this except for keeping the pressure on trump and solidify it which solidifies his base in the process go ahead rob. Oh geez well i dont agree with you on so many levels peter and lionel right now because i think that trump is the runaway train ok and he behaves like a 3rd world desk or as if hes the mayor of new york city which is kind of the same thing and hes got to learn that he cannot act in the interests of donald trump the president noted states must act in the interest of the people we the people of the United States of america and he does not so more than anything this is putting him on notice and saying donald trump stop it you cant do this and he knows hes done something wrong because based on the information thats coming out right now from the whistleblower theyve tried to cover it up ok well good thats such a spirited answer my friend this is the crosstalk liberal thats ok lets go over to chris right now chris who is the runaway train what is the runaway train i mean heres another person that he seems to have political bias leaking to the media. Trying to find a trap for trump to go into i mean who in the world now is going to call donald trump on the phone maybe thats what the liberals want no one wants they dont want anyone to talk to trump but i mean he has you know heres a guy the most public figure in my lifetime has no privacy in his own administration is always. Pushing him into potholes ok i mean again i am convinced that the his base will just get more angry how many times you get a wooden besta gate this guy i read the transcript from what they have released from we shouldnt have said some things he was imprudent but it didnt seem like hed committed any kind of crime and like maybe joe biden go ahead chris. Well 1st and foremost i want to know whether the job that joe bidens son had was competitively bid because theres a lot of drug addicts out there that would have liked to have had a fair shot at applying for that. Sound kind of like a good time but you know i think lets do this peter rob whats the name of that whistleblower who is that. I dont think we know yet the reason i and the reason i ask that question is what i mean darling we have an unknown person highly political bias and its recounting alleged 2nd hand statements from others in the National Security apparatus for all we know it could be Michael Bolton whos souring sitting in a bar somewhere that he was removed from his position so theres a challenge we have is john mongo that i say likable ok i you know it was a president ial delegates thought it was Michael Bolton soon father but we did it again everything now is politically charged and politically motivated so this is just attempt number x. For the democrats to impeach a popular president thats getting things done so once again you know theres no transparency when it comes to these it attacks to try to remove the president ok lionel jump in. Peter imagine this imagine that the president deals right now with a looming hypothetically argue wanted to assuming a looming strike among the automotive business and the g. M. President comes in and he wants to sit down with the president as has been done before and you want to tell him things like for example look were on shaky ground we might be able to pay our pensions and then he stops and he said wait a minute are you recording this am i going to hear is this privileged you know i cant deal with you i cant talk to you i cant do my job now the next president the president after that democrat republican is always going to have to remember this and theres going to be some like that says loose lips youre being listened to theres anybody understand the devastating damage that was done to the institution and the notion of the executive privilege of heir respective all of the president this is something that is going to staying is going to actually infect this the article 2 aspects of our constitution from now on and nobodys talking about it but it looks like i dont have to ask any questions because i know rob wants a jump in so go ahead robert. Yes please please please 1st of all lionel youre if youre working under the wrong assumption that donald trump is a fair and proper president i would tell you what he would say to the president of g. M. He would say that cadillac is a really nice car who would mud fairly really like to have a few of those thats how donald trump rolls thats his m. O. Thats why he has to be scrutinized and cant just be allowed to run amok here as he has done in his private Business Career because yes he doesnt understand the difference yeah doesnt understand the difference between running a private Real Estate Concern youre not letting me finish he does not understand the difference between a private Business Concern like his little real estate operation and running the United States of america fairly for the people not for donald trump thats here ok i have a real issue real quick real quick how bluhm yeah thats my answer im not getting with that said problem you have any substance im just curious schtick yeah thats a little nonfans ok all right you made your point line let me go to chris here chris we had rob oh you know did you really are a very good friend of crosstalk and my friend too we disagree with them thats why we have them on the Program Chris i want to go to you rob brought up the runaway train but the medias the runaway train here i mean look what ive been watching the cable news they simplify they grossly. Exaggerate things they talk about things that they have no idea about and you know ukraine is one of them a country i know very well and its politics and when you get it you go into ukraine politics you go into corruption and everybody is dirty by it biden is finding that out ok the d. N. C. Or finding that out too all right so chris the media i always look at the media and see what theyre doing and theyre playing a very destructive role its obvious they dont like donald trump but theyre doing a disservice to the country go ahead chris. Well. I agree with lionel to the extent to that again robs perspective is just sort of like that generic liberal sort of perspective look you could make the same statement that President Trump style his offhanded running things like a business is why hes appealing why he tends to get things done and looks at the legislative process is just sort of let lets get towards the big picture and secondly you know we can talk about constitutional provisions and how. These things are such issues the democrats its all about power theyll destroy the 2nd amendment theyll destroy the 1st weve seen that with big tech i mean this is literally President Trump is on the road to victory again and the democrats cant have it peter theyve got to find something so theyve got these dishonest insiders that are afraid to show their name that want to jump down the entire legislative process looking into him because he was successful so people that what you can criticize President Trump all day long hes still the president he got elected so when we the people went and voted for him and he won and we the people are going to put him there again is specially if this lunacy continues of trying to destroy because to tional moments whining about Supreme Court nominees the list goes on but the point is these are far left subjective liberal views and it doesnt really answer the question of who is this whistleblower and why are they so desperate to continue to keep to trying to do these sorts of things let me go back to rob let me go to back to rob real quick here because hes the odd man out on the panel here i mean is this whole push for him impeachment is virtue signaling it just feels good but theres no substance to it is that is that is that thats politically dangerous for the democrats right now particularly since russia gave blew up in their face real quick rob. I think that they have no choice frank bruni wrote an article recently in the New York Times about this there is the trump continues to be trouble and he continues to flagrantly flout the rules and so there has to be a reaction to it is impeachment going to happen no it might not and certainly not removal from office but there has to be. A backlash and a reaction to trumps behavior ok lionel real quick before we go to the break. Do you do you hear do you hear what this is its always a buyout its kind of like a rorschach test this collective his behavior his his his imprudent ways his afaik his demeanor it comes down to simply this they hate the man i am waiting ive been waiting to hear one thing why has he done how do you realize that if he hadnt made this call 2 days after he won reelection nobody would be talking about this its the timing of this because just like with what a fun bird whoever these people are deep state left they will throw anything out and just to see what happens its like throwing a smoke or an aide to see how the crowd yeah but then he says but that isnt one point but never said thats the boy that cried wolf and thats why i dont think people are going to go this is going to get any traction here whatsoever and i think its just tomfoolery what theyre doing ok gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on impeachment state with our. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. I was out of. The middle of the set of one of monk when i would. Not. Let this month. Into the show on. A lot of the. Theaters some when we did the board. Welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing impeachment. Ok lets go back to chris in washington you know christie really irrespective of how you may feel about donald trump as a person his politics his presidency and you know all those things here but one of the things thats bothered me all through this process with the advent of the russia gate hoax all the way to the present is the roading institutions the media no longer is acting in the Public Interest theyre just advocates for their own ideological ideological possession i would even call it its outrageous and its really shameful and then we have a deep state or whatever term you want to use that is constantly undermining and little act. President and once this is if this is not dealt with in a reasonable way quickly its going to become the norm and and i think a lot of liberals are going to really regret what they have done because they destroyed institutions that people had a modicum of respect for and now its no longer there and its only getting worse as we get closer to the election here so a lot of damage is being done to institutions and ideas but i worry cannot be repaired go ahead chris or i think youre right peter and i think its unfortunate but that is the reality when you look at people that are in high level positions and agencies agencies for example like the f. B. I. That its been very sort of highly esteemed over time throughout different areas of of american criminal justice and beyond and now its like you know you you leave your political person and then you go and youre working for c. N. N. And youre youre out there and youre a left wing hack and its like this cycle and thats what theyre doing so that is the problem is when things are said and done how much damage and trust has been done and i think the public still think thats why President Trump lets just assume you dont like him personally he still comes through with results so its going to be hard to hear rob talk about better employment numbers lower unemployment getting fundamental things through getting criminal justice and just getting all these things done when youre out of everything what do you do and i think thats where the democrats are at now they dont know what to do ok rob how would you respond to that because the big thing is is that theres always this focus on trump and i think everyone everyone under the sun would say the man has terrible flaws but thats not a campaign but thats not what you run and you run on Something Else you cant run on negatives you have to run on positive you never win with the negative go ahead rob. We have we have a good stock market im not going to argue that we have good employment numbers that doesnt mean that he can break the law that he can do things that are against the constitution i mean so if he does go and shoot somebody in middle of 5th avenue what will he say its ok because that wasnt a good person but he and hes had good good employment numbers was how was ok lionel jump in how has he brought how has he broken the law how is he committed high crimes misdemeanors of perjury treason how has he done something so egregious that the that under the article one of the constitution they have to remove him a base of the subvert the franchise something that cannot wait until i year from now for reelection what is he done ok you know theyre asking the Foreign Government to come in and act in his interest not in the countrys impulse come on the rob the other guy have to read that last happened i have to read that you know how many governments have influence peddling in washington d. C. Ok you know how many and theyre never fly a joke a i mean every other person you bump into washington should be. A Foreign Agent because they act on the behalf of others and not the American People so going after the individuals and why didnt what is right in giuliani doing with all this ok and thats exactly where i want to go thank you rob let me go to chris let me go to chris now chris chris now we have giuliani talking to the air and i dont know this is interesting i actually if you listen i might agree with you a little bit here chris i mean the whole biden story so why theyre looking at this unknown unnamed whistleblower that has bios apparently you have a history of biden and his son in ukraine but it is actually been Public Knowledge for a long time we definitely didnt get a lot of traction and until the former Vice President had to open his big. Big mouth and brag about how he did something ukraine having a prosecutor fired that apparently and im stressing my words are apparently investigating his son on the board of a Ukrainian Energy company here but that the left doesnt like to talk about that so there seems to be grossly illegality on the part of biden but its somehow Donald Trumps fault thats what c. N. N. Will basically tell you if you boil it down go ahead chris. Well i think the democrats they do like doing that in primaries when they want to destroy each other and bring all these things out and lose all their values and then try to get back on track with you know being the kings of ethics but i think lionel asked a fair question its very simple what is the crime and then the responses well hes broken the law is interfering you are there i mean thats the thing i mean when are we going to have uniformed principles of of of the law for protected due process you know the presumption of innocence i mean is there are so desperate to get him will destroy the country to do it theyve done it with the 2nd amendment theyve lied about Brett Kavanaugh they are the lowest lives out there the whole democrat the slate of candidates theyll trip over each other to destroy each other and when theyre out of everything now theyre looking at a hidden person who is alleging that other people were upset by things and a transcript thats been redacted its been modified and remember this whistleblower also says they werent sure about the guidance weve seen these reports it is it is a smokescreen and its not going to work it really isnt ok jump in go ahead the issue is what my good friend ron is talking about making is wonderful discussion in this pile of questions what were talking in this pile the issues the gravamen the focus of this is what has any president done that is high crimes and misdemeanors so egregious that he has his election that the that the franchise has to be subverted and supplanted what what what can not be dealt with with the reelection the political process that is the issue because we have confused impeachment would say i dont like the president you dont remove the president or anybody rip say with bill clinton because of an indiscretion or maybe even a crime that does not go to the core of the constitution. And pavement and remove all were not talking about it or ron this say maybe trow and you may agree that had different issue apples oranges 7 plays people focus ok rum i mean at the end of the day is just all because of 2016 but you somehow have to damage the president so much that his legacy will be whatever they wanted to be he was impeached but not removed but thats also the case with bill clinton ok i mean it seems to me that theyre missing the purpose of this of impeachment here i mean we im i can im going to you know rob is a good friend i can understand why a lot of people are inferior aided by tom i understand that but by going down this path that they are theyre destroying institutions and then i mean how many are we going to keep every single president now is going to have to go through through some kind of impeach because you dont like the guy that is terribly dangerous i dont think every single president will behave like donald trump well i mean it but that but thats like to have glass every person and behave that way but you know but rob but thats your perception here i mean i have said ever since trumpets alexis he does goofy wacky things he says he says things that he shouldnt do but that doesnt measure to the point of illegality where it should be impeachment ok it just doesnt measure it doesnt make it there about way and i think the way the democrats are doing it theyre going to taint the process in the future we have to worry about what precedents are being created right now and theres still time before there where you cant go back ok let me go to chris here go ahead chris i mean whats the next step here i mean because it seems to me that even confused procedurally how to move forward. I mean the next step is the president is going to continue to focus on the agenda of the executive branch which actually does get things done in terms of thats their constitutional duty while the Congress Continues to expend time and do pray all Congress Really cares about is press releases now its let me get my statement out there and again it doesnt behave like donald trump i mean that sort of just embodies our whole point here the guy behaved the way he behaved and thats why he won the primary enough voters were like im so sick of phony politician one phony politician 2 phony politician 3 were going to give this guy shot and hes gotten a lot of his agenda items done so no one said he was murder anyone in 5th avenue that was sort of the extremes but hes continuing to focus on key agenda items so i guess whats next as the president keeps going moving on to other items the media cycle will look for Something Else to look to but it is about the election i dont think the democrats are looking good right now and i wouldnt put it past the war and campaign or others to have really got this ukraine thing sort of moving out there i mean i hate to you know you know the who is at it at the end of the day the biggest victim of this is going to be joe biden because when you start peeling away what he was doing and a lot of other people were doing in ukraine its going to look very very bad so the gleefulness that they have going after trump it just it was a bust its hitting in slow motion on biden lionel as usual you want to jump in go ahead. For those people just around the world under the constitution if if the majority of the house of representatives vote to impeach the president on his hair color hear me out i can do it you can do it cannot be reviewed it can be done it is benign reviewable by the Supreme Court because it is a political process number 2 thats the majority in order to remove him after a trial a supermajority of 2 thirds of why not a 100 senators have to vote to remove him it cannot will not be done and nobody has ever been a president removed so what were talking about now in this initial stage nancy pelosi the speaker of the house said i dont have anything to do with this whole jerry madam of the house back off but because of this insurgent a. L. C. Led via vive guess a contingent of the left has had to do something to calm them down so she has a house impeachment inquiry 6 different committees working together its like impaneling a grand jury it Means Nothing she did it to throw a bone to appease this left contingent of her house because she doesnt want to do this a line of lying all lying or if you know what this may be her Lasting Legacy how shed destroyed her legacy by going down this path shes certainly not showing any kind of leadership or a gentleman this process is only started and im sure i will see all 3 of you again on crosseyed thats all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in new york and in washington d. C. And thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. The next time and remember crosstalk. Worst nightmare is. Planet everything on planet earth is dead because. We. Well theres a teenager in the us. Because shes going to grow up on a dead planet. With nothing except a dream. Headlining this hour the west is failing to admit the loss of its dominance a world of. The message russias foreign minister has the delegates in his address to the u. N. In new york an update on the way. Through this hour u. S. Democratic house committees issued subpoenas to secretary of state mike from peo seeking to compel him to hand over documents concerning the transfer ministrations contacts with the ukrainian government. Also this hour rights campaigners accuse the u. K. Government of failing in its commitment to protect young girls from female genital mutilation itself the Britains High Court accepted it was powerless to prevent the home office from deporting a 10 year old deemed to be at risk of being