Absolutely none of it and i think apart from disapproving of the massive use of force. A lot of people in moscow and polls show that the majority of people in muskrat actually supported peoples right to take to the streets which i think is also an interesting indicator i think one of the features that distinguishes the current protest away from the previous ones is that its becoming increasingly mainstream its not just the mostly intelligentsia on nonsystemic opposition anymore its much more broad based actors journalists priests isnt that actually a very Good Development that the russians aside is finally becoming a subject rather than object of politics usually if we compare protests and shias in the one description in protest to mosco well see still the pictures quite different clothes and shoes its more like one of my colleagues foreign journalist a moscow characterized it as a green red or even green bro mating that this is actually these same social groups that support for example russian role in ukraine but they also care about the environment and in moscow for example it was pretty different picture it was yes it was not just what you call an intelligence it means old public noons those who have some traditionally critical of there are is those who control sort of symbolic capital like the language the humanities and so on and so on but they were joined by 3 other groups 1st and they and their. Most Interesting Group in this protest mosco activist who participate in. Different forms of when a signal governing day in war in actually in Mayors Office agenda they try to make it better to try to fix things and they realize that actually. The state it doesnt want them. And sometimes i think its really about the city who doesnt want them and they are as mayors of mosco to number of stories as from when the simple government 6 years ago he initiated the war that cut sort of when the simple councils and he said you know the campaign is the mayor of moscow who employed sides here disproportionate force on the streets of the city and then many many theories circulating in the capital about who and why made the decision to use force in much larger numbers than ever before whats your version of a it was it was sort of a snuffle it wasnt present planned because. Maybe july 4th and still july realized that mayors of moscow just wanted to punish socalled opposition for spoiling his agenda because one of his most one of his biggest interest was to see some group presented itself until gentle like on the for their midst in the duma and author of the few words complained of. Actually can be no hate speech and social media against her for for her care for supporting the Mayors Office she. Left the race off as it may is decided to punish the opposition he didnt realize he as far as i know they didnt do any political calculations that for example we can spread the opposition but im going to say that all due respect you cannot issue direct orders to. National guards by a war there are 2 figures. Who to give orders to on national guard. First its head off how they call it a regional and a terrorist both or its a unit of nation led to Service Committee and its the head of f. S. B. In moscow you know general that i think if you had any 2nd person is mayors of moscow so you know so i did all of that hed go through several of course you cannot you cannot you cannot use such a pearl result having consultations in the Security Council not in kremlin i wouldnt say in kremlin because the all domestic politics departments of coming trying to stay sight of all of the of the of the whole story so i think. As far as i know 0 mayor had some visits in ground when not to the president but the head of his administration of course he asked for help he asked for help and i dont know whether he asked for political help or he asked for it for physical force in the end we saw what we shal now you yourself wrote about how the relatively low level of political of reps russian is one of the redeeming qualities of the current absolutely system and. This is not because the people who operate dot system are particularly soft hearted i think thats because they understand you dont 3rd law very well that any action is bound to produce an equal and opposite reaction why do you think they decided to sidestep it this time around the didnt have public support amount theres a service there if you screw the house population just doesnt just dont like the result of what this point down it means that you can go further it means you can not bring more troops and then more troops it means that you have to negotiate somehow what i see you know. What happened this could also have been a good its a part of negotiation its no when there are negotiations and sort of our own table where kremlin purdon moscow part and opposition are gathering together no but its a smooth im going to go sure we can if you if the shipping of case is important for you we can release the 4 students cases and were going to release them it doesnt mean that they stop the offense no one is infrastructure they know theyre playing politics now theyre doing what theyre supposed to what theyre supposed to do like 2 months ago spread intelligence or from the wildly spread no i think from those most core activists who actually dont support and about what they just saw that they have theyre going to. Win a superbowl representatives and then go out to even to run you know to win but even from knowledge playing politics defied elections produced such a counter productive result for the at least for the most come a or i thing is one Silver Lining in this whole story it also shows that at least as far as counting the votes goes its relatively fair otherwise all those systemic apposition parties like outlook and the communist would have gotten into the City Assembly isnt that actually a pretty conspicuous slap on the wrist of the. Those who advocated the use of force especially on the eve of the 20212024 that is in doubt approve an early task that if you try to employ force you will get the opposite of what you want. We i havent heard ive never heard about any force can iras and 2021 im in a recent ive heard worse about their regular politics we do number of fugitive matic questions like future united russia the governing party. Should we should really state duma as doing with politics or is them off territories. Did they do or how you design the. Force wasnt an option actually what they realized. The technology of protest. Shows in rep of life and they are actually. They delayed in their action so like the smart folks wont know what to do and if theres a same thing that the state did in numerous number of what is it isnt that actually no vile me who did that because. We have to explain our viewers that why is my smarts boding we we mean his call for his supporters to support any known crime manderson a line across the board but to kill or candidates we is the know the airlines with the crown land that is too. High probability 0 win and north allies if you know of allah is created or is it part of a broader trend in russia of the growth of product as its purely its purely in the light of the credit because he build the device or for using the what we call effect yeah the effort to action or using it in the racial way but you can see it the same exact happening in other regions when of alis. Activities nadab friends and i think that maybe also occur weighted with the growth of fashion ill make it just watching how its going to same thing in regional politics the part of the brands that just brands like the governor can can be elected as a member of for sure enough the party turned to united russia then turned to communist then run as an independent i mean in regions its not its not about the party brands its about the place within the Federal Center and local its in moscow it was a pretty different thing because no one in this task was to say that i can be a broker or your protest i can build a frame i can build the right that your protest would have a real result not in terms of electoral vote you know if you can do that but in terms of hurting Mayors Office and the mayor of personally. For actually one of the valleys tactics and i think hes very transparent about that is to diligent demise all existing institutions both local and state institutions as far as hes he and his supporters are concerned theres absolutely nothing good about the Current System it has to be destroyed and built from a blank slate given the russian Historical Context isnt it inevitable that such a stance will be perceived as not just a threat to the security of the state but a threat to the whole survival of the state there are 2 there is on the table there is can international what we call go blue groups who say that were supposed to organize. Back to a phone call like it happened in spain which most of the other together you have position is all of the out of the witness court and so on and so im supposed to draw. Road that. New liberals liberals do simpler. So that the whole system is rigid corrupted and should be replaced. You cannot say that replacing belittle system means. To magically replace the state it brings him on the age but if you if you are what we have we have Legal Mechanism of changing constitution. We havent used them for 20. 6 years but actually we have in the constitution i dont think that not one of these agenda is too diligent there must be elections are as old as yourself since im talking about diligent amazing all state institutions there is he doesnt recognize anything but just proportional use Natural Forces the same thing it works the same with deliberate because you see theres a theres a theres a gap between something which is legitimate to something which is legal listen youre such a force is legal but its not legitimate according to her freshness population i think Law Enforcement would at least claim that theyre acting within the bounds of the law reach which is quite questionable my question is different i agree that volleys extremely helpful in terms of keeping tabs on corruption and holding politicians feet to the fire but when he calls for burning the entire house down for the change of the Constitutional Order i think he actually does call for that its not illegal to its i would say though that i think i was very close to leaving behind bars i would say that loud and clear until we have in constitution legal window to change the constitution its not illegal to call for change the constitution im 100 percent sure that the existing Law Enforcement management hes a major threat they see him as a major threat not just as a disruptor as an existential for yes somebody who can bring the stay down my question to use them why is he still go walking free when the same system is doling out very harsh test sentences to people like populist in this i would like that. He has an ability to mobilize. Support when hes in personal cars so this is one of the theories. So level is a sos and so yes putting him behind the bar would bring you now in my estimation 6. 00 to 60. 00. 3 its been 34 hours consent and we have to take a very very short break but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. This is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the streets. What happens to her family and daughters in florida the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery in healing this is your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the Police Needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pin this on than him and what happens in court be. Shocked shocked as far. As i feel. We dont know still just for the. End of this unfortunately you. Will still not know the actual just. Welcome back to worlds apart that Constantine Gaza nonresidents color at the Carnegie Moscow Center consented as we already mentioned all the climbers surrounding the moscow actions is only partially about my. Its primarily about the Upcoming Elections and transit transit of power in 2024 year old dad the final dad president putin owes to the country is to free the as much as possible from putin is the system that he himself created ave or any signs of god already happening no no the mark rich. Mark raikkonen is. Proving that liberal as it used to be for last 20 years oh oh what you see in politics its technical shift mostly reaction on situation we still dont see as somebody who can lead somebody who can show for the image of the future like the causing the problem but at the same time in the year one of your recent articles you sad that on the one hand putin has been using brute force to rule the country but on the other hand he also. Claimed no one fears the president ial administration any more brute force that no one fears isnt there a contradiction of terms no of course not because ministration is are going as a fish and a president ial of sorts is. Go much for the work of ministration can do ministration as a political broker is broken we dont see any form of cording nation between the government and the president ial administration that all can also call direct that all can of all yeah which was. Brought by the ministration and encouraged but didnt have any clue about the law it doesnt work is about equal rights activists of the government is one thing how people relate to that is another thing and in russia traditionally the president ial administration is considered the main Political Institution where all english opposition. For the euro. I havent seen numbers i mean in russia we have the cruel institution thats the president personally the figure the face then we have a number of proliferative images we have popular ministers like lever for example foreign minister or we have number i think like sure in percent of russians it is they just dont know what president ial administration they have ok even with these sexual figure as you call it deprives them to also claim that president putin quote has lost hes let a ship now that there is a decline admittedly there is a decline in his Approval Ratings which some would say was to be expected given the very unpopular retirement age reform but. Has lost his leadership isnt that a bit over the top for a statistician like yourself i mean you have to base it on numbers there probably is not been a single. Problem is that it was the english translation of russian text and in the original i used the tour its very street concept i got me he is not the person whos not the figure who can assure the Russian Society that we have a future and were going there 1st the main 3 groups that the sea main shifts in Public Opinion like of trust declining of trust all Public Institutions short there too of period of planning the period the standard period of planning for for example european family even us Eastern European fit 5610 years in the in the russia you know like a dam makes trying to compare societies to the Russian Society i mean given they said if you serious these Eastern Europe and russia you can compare to its nose in europe that is part of the European Union is saying it was part of the European Union just for 15 years now come on youre comparing apples and oranges consider. This tell you that russia is much better than russia that is and you need this in russia they are going to go as big or 3 or 4 years ago you also rode for putin the period of time since 2014 has been characterized by and im quoting you here the gradual loss of Strategic Initiative and this is a very common assertion among the critics of the kremlin but i dont understand what. Initiative is supposed to be making live better or at least managing it as it is a good example of the people fund it is masses doesnt have qualify there is no inside interest seeing as people can drink a real. What happened was what so called russian middle class before the crisis and so it was a day we saw growing. Middle class Office Managers freelancers those who work generally in service know whos a russian middle class. Civil servants celebrex those who work. On a budget payroll those who have early retirement like celebrex because they did this is changing the fabric of this is well but its a broad try and around the world lets do this Living Standards are falling in the United States in europe including old europe in turkey when i havent i havent seen you know us a story of this trying to replace the. Barker or war or American Worker with american cop i havent seen this i havent seen that for example a pentagon or president from goes publicly saying that they want to. Like double the number of f. B. I. Employees that what happened in russia. Happens in scales where the very nature of so chill for break is changing by the house is wondering just 42000000. 00 people lets say it is true that per capita russia has more Law Enforcement officers than most of the other large countries but you cannot replace everyone in russia with Law Enforcement i mean the you are exaggerating not exaggerating in terms of who are the russian middle class now but lets lets go back to 75 percent of g. D. P. Produces state controlled or parra states or part of the states going to preach and its not my state mission its just amazing of International Monetary for moral way and so on. Theres too much state in social fabric and economic for big theres too much state and there were going back to my question about Strategic Initiatives. I think for what putin sees as he searches you can issue. A couple of National Projects that he put forth as sort of the at. Gins of growth and i know that you. View them with i guess quite a lot of contempt is that im sure most of them some of them pretty important. Dont they qualify as Strategic Initiatives. Some of them. Are supposed to change the way. Works. For all the states works how people leave i think that that was what doesnt work then why is that not working because we have this sluggish growth over income for us. We know and then know pretty well that when you pull one group of money from state virgin into record i mean how much do we get in g. D. P. Lessons. From my own life i dont know if youre aware of that but if you days ago older vaccination records for most children were digitalized and the job rate is very unlikely to be thank you but its a huge thing for me as a as a mom of a small key if its freeing me off the rest tape if i am or end up with my kid in the emergency room doctor will give doctors a chance to assess his Health Better isnt died a small dot is making you live. Their regular work of the government with National Priorities and our experience our feelings about the future because when youre saying about there hold the same if i call you know if i say that its normal that you have a digital right to operate your ex and your kids direction nation on why its pretty annoying you may be pretty normal but it took a lot of time and a lot of money to put that in practice yes no it doesnt it doesnt it doesnt say the government doesnt doesnt deserve the credit for that its normal government may deserve the credit for 2 things but i mean this is just one example them in the quality and poor thats thats the agenda over the actions of 20202024 so forth they built pretty modern state they have. But and. Theyre all of very smart people deputy prime ministers it is full of and so on and so on and they locally they can make things better why should they give us really give them credit for small improvements the big improvement is. A rise of a living you know this is this is big improvement this is important to everybody and its just 7 or whatever well yes its other can kick in here can he fight for it it can fight inequality can he boost Economic Growth which can do. Well the 1st of the 2nd of the sort it doesnt mean that state is fully unaffected ive never said that state can be effective they can do very effective reforms but its not an agenda well i guess its a difference between seeing as half full or half empty russians will tend to be more risk averse than the westerners and i think many people when you and counter something that wasnt there before you tend to appreciate that a bit more than perhaps and i mean that you are smiling but even you know on the for the master who whom you manage shes a nonstate actor who managed to put in an entire system of Palliative Care that beach was never in russia and shes now given a mandate to expand across the whole country is that also a little thing i mean thats absolutely because it doesnt change it doesnt change the way how you treat all minority groups says nothing about their weight how you treat the general population how you see the whole of the general population that ends up in those hospice is that the general population sends up and those hospices because of many many reasons but the general population re is a lack of income and fuge and more must. Actual of the dramatic inequality and then you say the state oh yes somebody maybe so and so what im saying is rational what im saying is that something ok thank you thank you to saying thanks to a person can fix that but its not its not its not the reason for a plan so that a reason for all plus but i think its a reason for a cautious optimism and i think what ive been trying to argue throughout this program is that the decrease of authority on the part of the president ial Administration May be compensated by the increasingly empowered Civil Society not only on the streets but also taking part in the you know in the fabric of social life but consenting that we have to leave it there because we are a short time i really appreciate you being on the program thank you thank you i mean here is kim keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same time on the worlds apart. From. The guys you live but if she won you post the budget and i do the show musician at the baltimore theres no reason youre disputing that she me we didnt you blew true shes. As and about that not only does e. Q. s only in the news i mean that so that in fact involved. Clonic you will see sawing your info as if parts of the 2 kids each other both are the most called. Doesnt need a list of. The. Ear in cheek you for. 5 days doing lisa. An english lady a for people who simply knew 2 men including to. Join me every thursday on the alex im unsure when ill be speaking to get out of the world of politics sports business im sure ill see you then. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race interviews on all sides spearing Dramatic Development only personally im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. The weeks top stories here on our t. V. 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