Law territory defectors plus the chair of Britains International trade committee angus mcneil in a parliament shot down the end of Boris Johnson and the end of the United Kingdom all those or more coming up in todays going on the ground the 1st straight to the threat of a u. K. U. S. War in iran joining me now from istanbul is the deputy chair of the Founding Party of modern turkey and else have a cause was turkish ambassador to the u. K. Were going to Prime MinisterDavid Cameron came to power thanks so much for coming on and also before i even get to the meeting of 3 president s in the capital monday just what did you make of trump saying he is locked and loaded after all in june he said he called all for an attack on iran then it of course iran borders turkey to its east what i think its a very complicated situation 1st of all nobody knows so who has attacked actually so the key word here is prudence and b. U. T. I think this. Saudis are also very cautious saw the americans nobody can blame directly iran but they were the suspects that the attack has been perhaps organized and conducted by iran iran on the other side says that this is a kind of creation of a perception against iran and i think all these are happening just before the u. N. General assembly where we could perhaps see a couple of meetings and now i understand that president rouhani has made it clear that there wont be a meeting between me and the saudis have asked for an International Commission to mourn it all the places where the attack has taken place so i think the let us wait and see you see unsourced leaks are already appearing in westland Mainstream Media that it definitely was iran and not the hutus of yemen. To the around crew facility in saudi arabia i mean what do you think about the timing of it do you think it seems plausible that iran ahead of next tuesdays General Assembly in new york would do this while the round is probably still waiting from the United States to return to the g c p a way and since they have not received any kind of sign that the United States is going to accept. This all terms theyre probably reluctant in meeting and having anybody that sort of during the u. N. General assembly i think the situation on the ground in the region is it is not the direct confrontation between major powers or major actors most of the confrontation is taking place through proxies and it is so obvious that the hooty have mentioned that they will attack again this doesnt necessarily mean that they have heard that the 1st attack but they at least tried to give the sign that they are also in the game you see im really. Referring to the fact that when shinzo arbor the japanese Prime Minister was in tears suddenly iran was accused of seizing a japanese vessel then when donald trump says 11 conditional talks with president rouhani was of course being in turkey on monday suddenly this happens you dont see that theres anything to be suspicious about i dont find any kind of the direct relationship between the president rouhani is and prison terms meeting possible meeting and the visit options are a bit to to head around it is probably a coincidence but i still insist that we will have to wait and see what the. Real motive behind the attack and who has organized attack is clear of course britain seized in the rain the universal stall of the recent uptick in the threats military threats against iran what do you make of britain want to overthrow your southern neighbor the government the government of syria in the context of mondays talks or one of the major results of the trilateral summit. Was. Probably the agreement on the formation of the Constitutional Committee and now all the 3 sides have agreed that the names are more or less creator and there is no dispute about the lists which shows that now we can proceed the geneva process and this is an encouraging sign because the constitution committees formation is a major step towards the continuation of the peace talks now once the considered committee is formed and once the geneva talks start i think it is quite obvious that we are accepting that this transition is going to take place during the assad regime is still in power so. When we go back to 7 or 8 years earlier all the International Community was against conducting all these developments. But now its obvious that it has proved his strong presence and control over the syrian territory you see these talks and i know were going to get further details in the next 48 hours 24 hours taking place while in the past few weeks israel has bombed damascus israel has bombed lebanon israel has bombed iraq do you think the 3 leaders rouhani and the one are aware of this context i think this was asked during the press conference to all the 3 leaders and since in the communicators mention that they have also discussed a couple of other regional developments and International Developments whether israeli issue or other topics have been discussed but the answer was no. Probably think that the israeli situation is very much related to the elections and since the israeli elections was approaching probably israel was showing some kind of strength and assertiveness in the region so that the this attitude could perhaps have an impact on the elections on the other side i think russia is also very careful in its relations with israel in iran is also. Quite aware that it has certain ambitions against iran and simply wants to be prudent and do not does not want to escalate things so israeli issue has not been on the agenda between the 2 between the 3 leaders i presume who do you think the president is going to think of the fact that the 3 leaders didnt really even talk about. United states recognition of Israeli Occupation illegal occupation of the golan i syrian property let alone of course the state of East Jerusalem is i dont think that he is extremely happy about that he was probably. But the 3 leaders did not mention anything about all these issues the israeli developments and they probably agreed not to mention even if they had discussed these issues behind closed doors do you think it sensible of the 3 leaders to trust nato nations that have been well britain has been selling record amounts of weapons to israel and israeli weapons have indeed been found in syria its the conflict i dont think that this has been discussed either because you know that this is a continuation of the us tunnel process and the source the process so thats really theres probably prefer to focus mainly on the continuation of the stand and the sorts of processes and to focus on the situation on the theatres concerning issues in on any issues in the east of euphrates and also perhaps the preparation between turkey and the United States for the establishment of a safe zone in the north east of syria because here in britain weve had the memoirs of former Prime MinisterDavid Cameron who you met when you were. Here in london hes been blaming Boris Johnson for lies about what he alleges a lies about turkey in the brics that referendum why do you think we dont hear more about the numbers of refugees taken by turkey let alone what agreement about refugees was made at my design career summit in just tell us a little about it 3600000 refugees from syria. Point 6000000 which are the official figures that have been announced so far but i believe the number is quite high it is probably a little bit over 4000000. And this is certainly becoming a major burden for the turkish economy because the government has already declared that turkey has spent more than 35000000000. 00 us dollars for all the syrian. Refugees currently in turkey. I think did numbers quite low when i was ambassador there and when David Cameron was Prime Minister the syrian problem was in its initial phase and probably that was not a big issue and nobody expected that it would continue and the result with that kind of huge flow of people into turkey the deal between turkey and the rippin union came on only in 2015 and recently if it has been declared by the European Union i think. Mrs morgan who mentioned that European Union has already given 5600000000 euros to turkey to cope with the problems created by the Syrian Refugees in turkey you said that some people didnt expect the refugee crisis id suggest that many people did you presumably talk with Boris Johnson then when he was foreign secretary before you became Prime Minister obviously as he is today you really didnt see any understanding in britain that support factor support for islam lists in syria to overthrow the government would lead to a refugee crisis on the scale as i told i mean the refugee crisis what that that that scale in those years. I think when the break that talks and if around them was being prepared one of the issues that Boris Johnson particularly emphasized was the possible increase of flow into the United Kingdom through turkey but of course that was not a very prudent. And i wouldnt say that was. Helping it to the cause or breaks it simply exaggerating a situation and trying to convince the people that they should vote for to leave i think everybody agrees that johnson. Did not play the turkey card very cleverly at that time. David cameron so i do that debate ambassador thank you thank you very much after the break the u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson flood a press conference in luxembourg only to face a Supreme Court in london deliberating on his own alleged lying because Boris Johnson run out of places to hide and 5 years to the day scotland voted to remain in the u. K. We also get to the actual trade Committee Chair and guess what neil withers s. N. P. Will now allied with germany call been to annihilate some story is going up about 2 and going underground. Join me every thursday on the alex im im sure and ill be speaking to get a little the politics sports business im show business ill see you then. When ill show small seemed wrong. But old rules just dont call. Me. Yet to shape our disdain to come to agitate and in game treatment because betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back joining me now to go through some of the weeks top stories on the day after the end of the liberal democrat conference as one of the partys former Coalition Ministers norman baker woman thanks for coming on where you are not at the conference you didnt even i dont know whether you were there i wasnt there because i have a lights going to conferences the m. P. And now im not an m. P. Its a relief not to have to go lets go straight to this story from from the mira this is our our our our friend backstory something about who taught out gay powers and bill called the mirror and who defects to the liberal democrat or a new call the party com raid sam. What do you think about alan suring do you think had never been pardoned post recently of course enjoy this man in your party what sort of party is the liberal democrats if it allows him in charge. Of his war garrulous to the promoter will stare at the angela smith who talked about funny tinge journalists of people of color who jenna birgitte friend of mark reggae havent the same its a party that looks great thats good. Thats not just scraping the bars close to the bottom of it without a list of irrelevant comments look i mean this guy knows who defected to the lib dems from labor and conservative put their careers in a lot of many cases theyve recognised it through in their careers away theyve done so out of principle so the people of principle of the ones who are defecting if you need difficult thing to do to defect to any party the ones you should be criticising other people in tory party and labor party that matter who mumble under their breath this is terrible i dont like the way my party is going its all wrong i do nothing keep their mouths shut these guys are stood up being counted he explicitly spoke out against the pardoning of people who were ill g. B. T. Who had been convicted prior to equality legislators are stunned that he was doing so as a minister or not was just following orders is no yes no but thats what ministers do when you dont follow orders you resign from the government as i resigned eventually from the coalition go. When having had enough of the reason maine how far does this go then so will the liberal democrats allow people that you fundamentally disagree with the party is a broad church like any Political Party is only people who disagree with individual policies you know chin found for example who believe the party has a different view on gay rights from for most of the people in the party and i want to go to due to this wonder and David Camerons memoirs yes your take on David Cameron book to do nothing in libya was to facilitate murder well its always difficult isnt it its a british Prime Minister to try to involve the country in which hes expedition of any sort because weve all heard of the destruction of africas i know it just because i know absolutely and i think david had a point on a particular issue but the the trouble was after iraq and the lies appalling was told by tony blair and i was accountable to sign paul in it was naturally skeptical about taking it was hes action i think thats only right you know where i disagree with David Cameron this is she was not the the right to get involved and prevent a whole of cost if you like a terrible example of what might have happened and it will have didnt happen he says he says he saved libya well i think because good after he had said libya will be well gadhafi was a terrible terrible man but where i disagree with David Cameron is this these matters should be ones for United Nations you know we are not the worlds policeman no no theres america no this russia not any other country but why do you think cameron hasnt realized what youve just said to me now in the luxury of his. Well i think theres to live residual feeling that britain has got some sort of responsibility to the world weve not lost the mindset that were one of the great powers we dont one of the great Powers International law is something we must hold on to something that trump is pretty destroying of course the United States but we in europe hold on to it because trump trumps people didnt deny that here at the embassy but how could you deny it well i mean the bedrock of every poll out of these are different. Everything inside there destroying everything internationally the camera apologize over the bricks that referendum and so on here didnt apologize for libya in these moments no i think hes probably believing youre probably saying what you believe to be right ok lets go to the china daily about arguably the most famous political. The daily mirror in the china daily. To remain in prison after sentence expires well to be honest with you i dont take any lessons from china daily on people being in prison on duty because theyve locked up 1000000 week goes to any trial whatsoever such as a transgender denies that they have is that this film for asian is actually coming out of this film of it weve seen it this google. Numerous witnesses are spoken to them up into we could come for you oppose the iraq war claim many activists claim lots of this is being used against the chinese but lets get on there well im just making the point that this is this is the tent by the chinese to go for lowest common denominator they have got a big state on their conscience in the way they deal with people not come to the dont like but in a case in which on the issue here i mean this is difficult because people are held in the mountains if they are expected or thought you might have school and thats a normal process in the courts of law people all the time are held there neednt be Political Prisoners or people who go out he has no charges in this country no weve got an extradition warrant applied for by the us and signed by the home secretary and that carries some weight and i understand that the 1st 2 are going to coexist in about less than a months time so the time he sort of you know is still in the home of as youd be fine would someone who internationally is seen as the Award Winning journalist and publisher jailed on their mind without any conviction whatsoever please being in for years and hes being overwhelmed political refugee granted as hes been for years no zone pollution could do we not only was granted asylum and the United Nations repertoire on torture says that he was tortured by the. Well i dont believe he was taught about the u. K. Government but this is a matter for the courts not so much of for government ministers who dont have governments running the courts force in this country as indeed weve seen with the whole process that negotiations look i mean im in im in im privileged about mr our sons undoubtedly some of the material he brought forward was in the Public Interest for us to do about all the other hand war crimes yeah id absolutely but on the other hand he also released a whole lot of information about individuals that was quite irresponsible so he didnt really handle what he did say denies that well i mean i think the guardian in the New York Times that revealed the unredacted information well they got it from him and therefore i think hes responsible for the omega thank you well as this Supreme Court in london rules or whether scotlands highest court was right to judge that Boris Johnson unlawfully shut down Parliament Im joined now by skype from the Western Isles whether chair of Britains International trade committee yes m. P. s Angus Macneil thanks for coming on so presumably your read quite frightened by just one side of the liberal democrats and it just went and gave a speech in about 24 hours at that have a liberal democrat conference without blairite labor and austerity tories on board she was claiming credit for knife crime reductions in glasgow whats the s. N. P. Going to do against the lib dems. I apologize for how celebratory listen have anything at all to do tonight have a class that is utterly laughable abuse and some of us get on with this going to go into the Scottish Parliament for the last 10 years nothing at all to do that myself as a west as that piece set you nothing to do with jocelyns as a living dead and the west as a m. P. s not just. The they have a claims that just winds made a kind of laughable and the more which is out of their suspects are supposed to stop but accept party but some of you who will be aware that if they go loot back of this account of the record of that 25th of february 2008 just wish it was a start but accident be the start but its far too she was the one who was calling for but accidentally ended and it went it to a backwoodsman it feel like were only looking for a president of the lisbon treaty joyously instead of the liberals were the ones who kicked all this off who may be ready yet the guys and the backwards men as i call them of the tory party test of just listens please and by december should decide to close and buy new year who knows what ship it. Really is but of course the name of the mcgrath one thing last time around that we may be facing in a general election in the United Kingdom the tories of all parties did well in scotland how are you going to stop them doing as well the game boys joins the desist the early Christmas Present if you like that photo of the setting for the s. N. P. Hes going to ensure that any 2 or 3 might from start when theyre going to be in very much in the way of Single Digits perhaps a long perhaps 2 but mostly the 0 the 2 beast is gone and i think when people see the 2 least the problems of the 2 of them made especially in the fishing communities never the big concern is that fish markets i know the jury your sick norms as the dogs were talking. A few months ago phylis a few years ago chickens are going to roost. Right by before the do it some of their leagues and homeworks they began it bought us. 13 seats in scotland 10 most lebanese 13 their joys that are not concerned so let it go the way the polls are good people can see there are people being responsible and given scotlands future bindiya said b. But as for fishing i want to get on to the revelations forced out of the government about medicine shortages and Food Shortages but will you be using any Supremes Court verdict in favor of Boris Johnson and any possible Scottish Referendum by the johnson had not given the side up that it was and not been counted by the judges and how getting them all the evidence they wanted. Could conclude it doesnt connect to the next conclusion all of us know about this conclusion that ben wallace. One of the one of the daughters johnsons ministers leave the cut out but those were caused job because of their Political Considerations to. Say he is the material things of the court or the subregion quarterly deliberating on the eve it says no the Scottish Court by its court is was wrong will you be using that verdict into any possible future referendum well i think we will certainly be be thought it was a vote of sorts and when independent counsel for the next 12 months we can certainly see that scotlands highest court a serious player bozos and a lot of pain is not favorable now i dont know what you mean or the scottish people indeed made of these revelations they were forced out of the government about planning what do you make of the redactions because some of the u. K. Nuclear weapons of course are based in scotland any possible redactions could be about they could be about defense well the actions to be but anything but i think there were people should understand about the yard of these documents are not scared because theres a number of companies as international its come to me over the last 12 to 18 months with all sorts of orders and also. The concerns i said get under the public sphere we dont want to get involved in politics we dont want to take the heat its going to come with our so weve got to in this situation a but accident number of companies actually afraid to tell the truth of their fears because they feel a political head will come to the supermarket chains to me here you have now to go with currency. And interference that the other basket will go up at 7 percent there will be problems getting stuff on the shelf quickly the big problems get in the range of the shelf as well so dont be surprised that these things and theyre becoming more and more open theyre certainly being well documented medical fears my colleague the surgeon opened for us and pete. I think certainly going on by the medical isotopes the flow of cattle monahan and lastly so number of these things are ruled and a number of these things are not perfect fear this is whats come of the way the heart attacks and this is a stent it why Boris Johnson was his general election before halloween because from middlemen but on worse empty shelves and the like are medicines do not make winning election campaigns well obviously the Prime Minister denies that does positivity is whats required but as you said you are the chair of the International Trade committee and i understand youve got a reply from the International Trade secretary liz truss about questions that youve asked of her. Yeah you know like with those of us expected to come to comedy she dont come to imagine we pretty you know i do not think unless the person got the message quite clearly that you do come to Parliament Committees perhaps this size was dealing experience who knows but i think shes got the message no i said it but if some hotter water with very mixed selling out of society out of all places of involvement in a genocide in the yemen at the moment the behavior in the conduct of city island and the courts ruling against them leaves less the us in a more precarious position with bigger and more important questions to answer that klaus i was intending to ask a and to get it because we invite the Saudi Arabian ambassador to london to answer some of those questions i understand actually trusses in australia of all places just finally theres a climate Global Climate strike on friday i know jo swinson obviously she did take pro fracking donation money but she did raise the idea of environmental climate collapse would you be urging people to take part in the Global Climate strike on friday well where were going to view it as a take this very seriously and in that north of the plains and thats out of your doors they are certainly concerned about what is happening in the others and their supply has exceeded very seriously the state itself is one of those things that makes people think it might be good we have it over everything that we use and i also feel weve maybe reason that the fear of these ideas that some psychologist without evidence of that. Im going to tell people i dont mean what we should or shouldnt do but i think the one thing we should be agreeing on is that something needs to start howling to ensure that that count the number stuccoed there you will number starts going up and we believe it and more Sustainable Planet are living in a more Sustainable Planet was the less weather for 2 issues that are happening it more often i guess with me and thank you. Thank you. That would lift more than 850000000 people out of. Again we stand on the brink of war we should not be surprised official washington was quick to blame iran for the attack on saudi Energy Assets iran has denied involvement while the who have claimed responsibility for trying to take the neocon he said the middle east on fire. They all see themselves as dying swans in their dreams. But only one in the cells will ever make it to the top. Theyre ready to give their lives for the chance to die on stage if only once. Not even broken wings could deter them. For generations at the madrid ski theatre ballet sweat and tears on o. T. Midday right now here in moscow in the headlines from the neck and neck exit polls suggest israels Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu and his main rival benny gantz of both the failed to secure a majority government in their own right with potential lengthy Coalition Talks looming. In the coming days will convene negotiations to assemble a strong zionist government finances treat everyone just off intent on moving work to form a broad you see it. Continues to probe who is behind the devastate