Shatila 37 years ago today heres what renowned academic Norman Finkelstein told this program about what led to it lebanese maronite forces told that can go into the refugee camps clean them out quote unquote and they went in there and blocked and treat and exit into the accounts its fired from where its at night as the lebanese. Forces the christian forces are carried out this massacre counts about 2000. How studion refugees were murdered in sabra and shatila but when netanyahu then working with the perpetrator of alleged war crimes this is fake news when. Factor distorted and you semitic diatribes are allowed. Centrally calling for the free slaughter of jews without the right of the jews to defend themselves this is the harking back to the worst semitic practices that were prevalent in europe and who is being one of the few World Leaders to visit Boris Johnson since becoming Prime Minister here before he shut down parliament to welcome. To. The place. The french. He is arguably following nato nation tradition as for the perpetrator of the september 16th massacre not only u. K. Labor member tony blair but also the frontrunner to lead the us democrats into next years u. S. Election both read eulogies at his funeral his joe biden currently under 5 a fossil fuel Campaign Financing driver say it doesnt just feel like the loss of a leader. If you like a death in the family well biden remains the prowar u. S. Democratic stablish from choice for 2020 but Binyamin Netanyahu ahead of his october corruption trial may not even be Prime Minister after tomorrows vote count which takes place even in occupied land palestines ambassador to the United Nations riyad months or joins me now from the turkish capital ankara where president s do on putin and rouhani had today meeting for talks ambassador thanks for coming on the show there is this meeting in ankara what have you made of the russian presidency of the u. N. Security council this month well 1st of all you know thank you for inviting me to be on this show this month is going to be a very active month at the United Nations particularly the last 10 days because we would have the on go week and we have on the margin 5. Summits about very important issues such as Climate Change of finance for development and so on and so forth meanwhile the Russian Federation is presiding over the Security Council and there will be dealing with many important issues in our case on the 20th of this month under their presidency there will be discussion of the Quarterly Report of the. Secretary general of the United Nations as it relates to the implementation of Security Council resolution 2334 about stopping settlements and other important issues in the middle east now with regard to the meeting that you are referring to in uncut are between the 3 leaders and understand it is that related to syria of course you know any effort that would. Stop the bloodshed you know in syria. The Syrian People and their leadership you know to attend their wounds and try to rebuild syria would be really appreciated the tragedy of the civilian population you know is something that needs to be addressed as quickly as possible we dont hear much about syria from the British Government which wanted to overthrow the Assad Government of course but ive got to ask you then obviously that yahoo the elections in israel today is the anniversary of the subbranches massacre weve just been showing our netanyahu of course close adviser and colleague of Ariel Sharons do you see his remarks about the alex ation of the west bank further an exaggeration maybe its already defacto antics do you see that as part and parcel of the kind of atrocities in sabra and shatila decades ago of course you know we remember you know with. Pain and. Sadness you know that that atrocity and the massacre that have been committed against our people in the refugee camps of sabra and shatila. This is a dark chapter in the history of. And their friends at that time that. Responsible for committing that massacre a crime against our people and the counter ability has not been put in place to address the issue of of justice for the victims of such crime i remember at that time after that. Massacre 400000 israelis demonstrated in tel aviv placing the responsibility on her own for that massacre that led among other things to the posing him from his leadership position but with regard to. Netanyahu and his latest statement we are grateful for the reaction from the entire International Community in opposing this violation of International Law and Security Council resolutions and we are also grateful to saudi arabia for calling for an emergency meeting of the Foreign Ministers of the organization of islamic cooperation in jeddah in a few days and i send today a letter to the president of the Security Council and the secure the secretary general as well as the president of the General Assembly arguing on the legal basis of how this position of netanyahu is in complete violation of his commitment under the charter of the u. S. And we know israel has defied the International Community the resolutions whether it be General Assembly or u. N. Security council the at. Let me just say that. We know that is that is defiant but is it a leonor and different leaders did not particularly this latest position that has been you know uttered by Prime Minister netanyahu well if it wasnt for the radical deviation of the Trump Administration from. Past positions so that this is a new environment and that the fact that the entire International Community is opposing this new u. S. Shift and exposing is a pressuring it is valuable bill is not only washington though glad the time at the time of this interview we called up the Foreign Office in london written of course a fellow member of the u. N. Security council on with the United States they dont seem to have any official statement about this preelection announcement from netanyahu that more than a 3rd maybe a 3rd of the west bank will now be taken by israel i dont know what the Foreign Office at all do but i am a very close follower of the position of the u. K. In the Security Council and the u. K. Is along with the other 13 members in the Security Council in defending the global consensus because you have those who we have a new government has articulated often in the Security Council the ambassador know spoke just not a few weeks ago i dont know whether the in or out as johnson was the Prime Minister at that time but i take it that the government like the u. K. Do not shift positions that quickly. Especially with regard to not to the question of palestine as we see it in the United Nations since birth johnson has become Prime Minister hes appointed a home secretary pretty patel who had to resign over a covert meetings with benjamin netanyahu. That were outside of anything she told the government here im not sure whether you have a view on that but then yahoo has said we will probably be forced to enter into a war in gaza what did you make of the comments and britains weapon exports to israel are at record levels. What would you say to britain in the context of netanyahu saying. There will be a war in gaza but this statement of. War and even this aggression for the last few days including killing you know children in the gaza strip all these things are part of parcel of his Desperate Campaign to gain support because he has been accused by other other parties question of the generals that he was soft and certain issues and they want to the shore that no he is not soft in order not to lose votes including the. You know the what he did in syria in lebanon but it seems to me that. He is trying to get votes here and there it is very possible that you know that. Will might be behind us if he does lose tomorrow what about the trump peace plan the mideast envoy Jason Greenblatt says now that even though he said he was going to go if theres traction his word then he might stay on as the mideast envoy for the great trump peace plan have you met him well he came he comes to the Security Council regularly he comes and he says the same thing and the 14 members including the ambassador of the u. K. Say that anything that is not based on the global consensus ending occupation and 2 state solution will fail so that he repeats his message and the Security Council. Way that is defending International Law and Security Council resolutions and even then basket of germany one time said to him in his presence you cannot come to the Security Council thinking that this is a buffet and it is. My new you select what you like and discard what you dont like Security Council resolutions are part of International Law and they have to be implemented all of them and every provision of each resolutions so when you hear these things from members of the sort of germany and even from the u. K. France and others then it is Crystal Clear that you know the European Countries along with the rest of the International Community are not buying this you know. You know deal of the deals but that i need it i believe the sense mr greenblatt announced his resignation just recently he is in all very closely working with not only our whole along with mr kushner and. Of the United States to israel and if netanyahu is. To be over i suspect that the american men who are working very close closely with not only are all played a big role in giving that any all the free gifts that the Trump Administration gave them so its not then you know is is do we oversaw the men who worked with him very closely in the United States most likely will be you know joining him will try and get a green light cushion and of course the israeli ambassador to london who has not time to come on the show thank you very much ambassador. After the break as hearings continue in guantanamo we go to occupied cuba to ask the lawyer of alleged 911 mastermind Khalid Sheikh muhammad whether the u. S. Deep state is doing all it can to prevent this prosecution all the small going to have going on the ground. Please. Please. Please please. Please please please please. Please please. Please. Oh. Please. Please. Please. Please please please. Please. Please. Please please please. Please. Please please. Play. And very well might continue watching us and send us. 80 years ago this month the 2nd world war in europe began 60 years later the scourge of german fascism was defeated however the meaning of the start of the war remains hotly contested this industry is intensely political. Welcome back to more of the u. K. Supreme court is due to rule on whether Prime MinisterBoris Johnson misled the queen about shutting down paloma but what about law in a country that unlike britain actually has a written constitution because secret hearings continue today in the case of alleged cia tortured 911 mastermind Khalid Shaikh mohammad joining me now via skype from going to turn to you know by cubas defense attorney david niven david welcome to going underground so how is the alleged perpetrator of the 911. 00 atrocity. Well hes. Today i will be seeing him in just a little ready while and and i anticipate that like most days well have. A good working conversation and i expect that that debt that we get will have that opportunity and that it will be productive and he and you speak in english to him and hes completely fluent enough rowleys he is in guantanamo hes not you know profoundly im well or anything well hes i would not say that he is completely fluent in english we are able to communicate in english the good he has an awful lot less the native fluency in the language why stepping down as his defense lawyer the. As you may know i live in idaho which is far and a Pacific Northwest ready of the United States and weve made it genuine efforts over the years to make arrangements for me to be able to access classified information from there and there are there is a secure facility that i have access to and it has simply become too expensive and too time consuming ready to go back and forth across the country every time its necessary to review a piece of classified information and i want to get on to the classified information in a moment so who is paying for the case but to me the u. S. Taxpayer pays for the defense. Yes its an extremely expensive proposition to litigate these cases ready and at Guantanamo Bay which is a very remote location access to which it is sharply are limited and controlled it is remote the cuban government some members of its aides occupy cuba i mean the fundamental question here is surely can the alleged perpetrators of 911 ever be convicted given the u. S. Policy of kidnapping torture and then attempts to cover it up you know those illegal i would say also after its vastly complicate the process and they fundamentally busy make it unfair. Mr muhammad was held incommunicado for 3 and a half years detained without access to lawyers so or ready family members and. Ready and was tortured this is shameful at least by comparison to the standards of the United States government articulate for itself and that has complicated it and are ultimately poisons everything that came out here it included in the possibility of this trial being fair you know in ultimate you know ultimate terms i mean if anyone thinks it was just hatred and lack of professionalism by the interrogators and the u. S. Justice system it seems remarkably calm his interrogation torture and so on given the freedom of information request to release cables from doc to James Mitchell and bruce just and what do you make of it when you saw how the cables seem to demonstrate the fact the u. S. Government is covering up the way theyve treated this alleged mudra well if you told me and i really have to understand it i know of criminal defense lawyer with 40 years of experience and i have spent a lifetime litigating mistreat. In the interrogation process if you had told me that the United States government would detain someone disappear a person into ready. Shadow we block sites around the world torture him and then seek to prosecute him. Ok were breaking into that program because we want to take you to the turkish capital where the leaders of Turkey Russia and run have been holding talks theyve just come much weve seen a chick between the 3 president s and where expecting a statement to be given in just a moment there we go the turkish president just started speaking lets listen in. And around easter ruini. President told the Russian Federation mr putin. Tear apart his spend so that delegations representatives of the media. I currently welcome you all to peace whole. Day we have. A round of talks in this forum. And i am really glad to see you all here and then chorus so welcome to turkey i hope that our meeting will go really how. Our region and the people of syria. May allah grant does this in 2017 in november 2017. We have started the 1st meeting in these trial lateral formant. And the we have achieved a lot in this format. In the last 2 years we made all the efforts to provide the stability to reach toward this to belittle to provide. Calmness in the country so we worked together to do the. Political stability and the to retore the integrity of the country. To keep the peace in the country so all the countries came to an agreement the your only way to achieve peace and to asked enough for me to resolve this syrian conflict. Is providing really efficient methods and to implement these as objectives we are the only platform to make it work. To provide to peace and stability in syria were also we need. To work even more. To make all those goals came true. And there is illusion of this marriage depends on our efforts. Could be. For the as to the formula for the past and that is so hard todays meeting. Has been these theories platform dead should help us to resolve issues in. And so that we. Meant where did we. Operate and so we are going to synchronize very clarks we will come up with a future strategy and we will discuss for a future steps and measure is our country. Is one of the Key Countries that has been near it the people of syria. People of syria refugees from syria more than 3000000 and 600000 people they found refuge in daraa concrete who ran from the violence of Syrian Refugees we provided them we have provided them with ability to find shelter. Him and they didnt need to carry any expenses for that as a result of 2 or 3 operations we have also provided. A calmness and. In the country. These military operations the regions were restored and they have become more quiet more peaceful. 360000 refugees managed to return to their homes as a result of base operations but on the other hand we managed. To come to an agreement. To reach sold view tragedy regarding 4000000. People. I think we have already achieved and you objective yesterday at the border between. A terrorist attack. Was performed bacterias showed their face once again due to france and now would like to give the floor to mr rouhani. We are continuing our. Meeting so i give the poor to mr rouhani please mr rohani. You know in the name of law the most merciful praise be to muhammad mr erdogan mr putin other members i would like to thank my brother mr and. Thank him for goodness in this fav summit of the guarantor. Countries. And i would also like to think the government and the people of turkey for a very warm welcome. At the beginning i would like to say that iran and. Every country for represented here have similar opinion about the future of syria we need to respect its sovereignty syria to oil integrity as independence we should not interfere or condone any. Ones interference is the mystic affairs and we have been highlighting this position every time we meet we believe that these principles should be respected in full we need to ensure that there is every necessary requirement mat to restore peace stability in syria. Our most important. You dont tell us today is to take stock of our efforts today efforts made by iran turkey and russia towards the peaceful settlement of the crisis in syria. As well as the fight against terrorism and delivering it as sister to. Start the work of the Constitutional Committee to lead the few g. s come home to allow for prisoner and. Hostage swap as well as to help syria to rebuild itself we also are working to bring the attention of the International Community to the problem it has been more than 2 years since the start of this process and we have achieved new heights we see that there is a growing importance and the influence of these formal it ensuring that help to syria. As well as we have achieved. A lot in making the International Community helped more to settle this crisis iran. Continues to believe that the Syrian Crisis has only political solution to it and that this crisis can be settled only through constructive cooperation between all. People inside syria the Syrian Government and the people of syria with all these diversity are capable of going all the way even though there is a lot of obstacles on that path iran from the many beginning underscored the fact that any military solution would not be effective in settling this crisis and that position remains that. Today after almost 9 years. Gone with all the experience with the governor we still believe that if you. Change which is a position held by some countries is no longer viable this crisis and other crises in the region should be settled only by peaceful means. And by the people of these countries themselves our efforts over the last year especially after we concentrated our efforts within the framework of the us in the process or always founded on the principles of facilitating the dialogue between the government and the opposition where did our best to encourage both sides to engage in a more closed dialogue we continue to fight alqaeda isis and related groups that fight should continue until these groups are wiped out in syria and of course we should care about the lives and health of the civilians they should not be put. To any danger we should not lead terrorists to use people as human shields. As most of them. Are in the zone today we discuss how to save people of now in the hands of terrorism this question is a truly 3rd each year and we are still to find an optimal way to solve. This problem last year our estimate process partners