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Following nato nation tradition as for the perpetrator of the september 16th massacre not only u. K. Labor member tony blair but also the frontrunner to lead the us democrats into next years u. S. Election both read eulogies at his funeral his joe biden currently under 5 a fossil fuel Campaign Financing driver say it doesnt just feel like the loss of a leader. Issues like a death in the family well biden remains the prowar u. S. Democratic stablish one choice for 2020 but Binyamin Netanyahu ahead of his october corruption trial may not even be Prime Minister after tomorrows vote count which takes place even in occupied land palestines ambassador to the United Nations we had months or joins me now from the turkish capital ankara where president s do on putin and rouhani had today meeting for talks ambassador thanks for coming on the show there is this meeting in ankara what have you made of the russian presidency of the u. N. Security council this month well 1st of all you know thank you for inviting me to be on this show this month is going to be a very active month at the United Nations particularly the last 10 days because we would have the on go week and we have on the margin 5. Summits about very important issues such as Climate Change of finance for development and so on and so forth meanwhile the Russian Federation is presiding over the Security Council and they will be dealing with many important issues in our case on the 20th of this month under their presidency there will be discussion of the Quarterly Report of the. Secretary general of the United Nations as it relates to the implementation of Security Council resolution 2334 about stopping settlements and other important issues in the middle east now with regard to the meeting that you are referring to in between the 3 leaders and understand it is that related to syria of course you know any effort that would. Stop the bloodshed you know in syria and all the Syrian People and their leadership you know to attend their wounds and try to rebuild syria would be really appreciated the tragedy of the civilian population you know is something that needs to be addressed as quickly as possible we dont hear much about syria from the British Government which wanted to overthrow the Assad Government of course but im going to ask you then obviously that yahoo the elections in israel today is the anniversary of the subbranches massacre weve just been showing our netanyahu of course close adviser and colleague of Ariel Sharons do you see his remarks about the alex ation of the west bank further an exaggeration maybe its already defacto antics do you see that as part and parcel of the kind of atrocities and sabra and shatila decades ago of course you know we remember you know with. Pain and. Sadness that atrocity and the massacre that have been committed against our people in the refugee camps of sabra and shatila. This is a dark chapter in the history of. And their friends at that time that. The sponsible for committing that massacre a crime against our people and the counter ability has not been put in place to address the issue of of justice for the victims of such crime i remember that time after that. Massacre 400000 israelis demonstrated in tel aviv placing the responsibility and shot on for that massacre that led among other things to deposing him from his leadership position but with regard to. Netanyahu and his latest statement we are grateful for the reaction from the entire International Community in opposing this violation of International Law and Security Council resolutions and we are also grateful to saudi arabia for calling for an emergency meeting of the Foreign Ministers of the organization of islamic cooperation in jad in a few days and i send today a letter to the president of the Security Council and the secure the secretary general as well as the president of the General Assembly arguing on the legal basis of how this position of not any oil is in complete violation of his commitment under the charter of the u. S. And we know israel has defied the International Community the resolutions whether it be General Assembly or u. N. Security council the at. But let me just say that. We know that is that is defiant but is it a leonor and different leaders did not particularly this latest position that has been you know uttered by Prime Minister netanyahu well if it wasnt for the radical deviation of the Trump Administration from. Past positions so that this is a new environment and that the fact that the entire International Community is opposing this new u. S. Shift and exposing is a pressuring it is valuable bill is not only washington though glad the time at the time of this interview we called up the Foreign Office in london written of course a fellow member of the u. N. Security council on with the United States they dont seem to have any official statement about this preelection announcement from netanyahu that more than a 3rd maybe a 3rd of the west bank will now be taken by israel i dont know what the Foreign Office at all do but i am a very close follower of the position of the u. K. In the Security Council and the u. K. Is along with the other 13 members in the Security Council in defending the global consensus because you have those who we have a new government has articulated often in the Security Council the ambassador know spoke just not a few weeks ago i dont know whether the in or out is johnson was the Prime Minister at that time but i take it that the government like the u. K. Do not shift positions that quickly. Especially with regard to not to the question of palestine as we see it in the United Nations since birth johnson has become Prime Minister hes appointed a home secretary pretty patel who had to resign over a covert meetings with benjamin netanyahu. That were outside of anything she told the government here im not sure whether you have a view on that but then you know who has said we will probably be forced to enter into a war in gaza what did you make of the comments and britains weapon exports to israel are at record levels. What would you say to britain in the context of netanyahu saying. There will be a war in gaza but this statement of. War and even this aggression for the last few days including killing you know children in the gaza strip all these things are part of parcel of his Desperate Campaign to gain support because he has been accused by other other parties question of the generals that he was soft and certain issues and they want to the shore that no he is not soft in order not to lose votes including the. You know the what he did in iraq in syria in lebanon but it seems to me that. He is trying to get votes here and there it is very possible that you know that. Will might be behind us if he does lose tomorrow what about the trump peace plan the mideast envoy Jason Greenblatt says now that even though he said he was going to go if theres traction his word then he might stay on as the mideast envoy for the great trump peace plan have you met him well he came he comes to the Security Council regularly he comes and he says the same thing and the 14 members including the ambassador of the u. K. Say that anything that is not based on the global consensus ending occupation and 2 state solution will fail so that he repeats his message and the Security Council. Way that is defending International Law and Security Council resolutions and even them but of that of germany one time said to him in his presence you cannot come to the Security Council thinking that this is fair and it is. Manual you select what you like and discard what you dont like Security Council resolutions are part of International Law they have to be implemented all of them and every provision of each resolutions so when you hear these things from ambassador like that of germany and even from the u. K. France and others then it is Crystal Clear that you know the European Countries along with the rest of the International Community are not buying this you know. You know deal of the deals but at that hearing i believe the sense mr greenblatt announced his resignation just recently he is in all very closely working with not only our whole along with mr kushner and. Of the United States to israel and if not then he is. To be over i suspect that the american men who are working very close closely with not only our hole and played a big role in giving that any all the free gifts that the Trump Administration gave them so its not and you know is is do we oversaw the men who worked with him very closely in the United States most likely will be you know joining him will try and get a green light cushion and of course the israeli ambassador to london who has not time to come on the show thank you very much ambassador. After the break as hearings continue in guantanamo we go to walk about cuba to ask the lawyer of alleged 911. 00 mastermind Khalid Sheikh muhammad whether the u. S. Deep state is doing all it can to prevent this prosecution. Going on the ground. What politicians do. They put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or some want to. Have to go right to the press its like them before 3 in the morning cant be good. Im interested always in the waters of our. Question. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race. Spearing Dramatic Development only personally im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. They all see themselves as dying swans in their dreams. But only one in the cells and will ever make it to the told. Theyre ready to give deadlines for the chance to die on stage if only once. Not even broken wings come to tell of them. For generations at the memory. But they sweat and tears. Welcome back to more of the u. K. Supreme court is due to rule on whether Prime Minister Barak Johnson misled the queen about shutting down parliament what about law in a country that unlike britain actually has a written constitution because secret hearings continue today in the case of alleged cia tortured 911 mastermind Khalid Shaikh mohammad joining me now via skype from guantanamo in occupied cuba as his defense attorney david niven david welcome to going underground so how is the alleged perpetrator of the 911. 00 atrocity. Well hes. Today i will be seeing him in just a little ready while and and i anticipate that like most days well have. A good working conversation and i expect that that that that we get well have that opportunity and it will be productive and he and you speak in english to him and hes completely fluent enough rowleys he is in guantanamo is not you know profoundly im well or anything well hes i would not say that he is completely fluent in english we are able to communicate in english he wrote he has an awful lot less than native fluency in the language why stepping down as his defense lawyer the night as you may know i live in idaho which is far and a Pacific Northwest of the United States and weve made genuine efforts over the years to make arrangements for me to be able to access classified information from there and there are there is a secure facility that i have access to and it has simply become too expensive and too time consuming to go back and forth across the country every time its necessary to review a piece of classified information and i want to get on to the classified information in a moment so who is paying for the case bloomy the u. S. Taxpayer pays for the defense. Yes its an extremely expensive proposition to litigate these cases and at Guantanamo Bay which is a very remote location access to which it is sharply are limited and controlled it is remote the cuban government some members of its aides occupy cuba i mean the fundamental question here is surely can the alleged perpetrators of 911 ever be convicted given the u. S. Policy of kidnapping torture and then attempts to cover it up you know those illegal i would say also after its vastly complicate the process and they fundamentally busy make it unfair. Mr muhammad was held incommunicado for 3 and a half years detained without access to lawyers so or ready family members and. Ready and was tortured this is shameful at least by comparison to the standards of the United States government articulate for itself and that has complicated it and are ultimately poisons everything that came out here it included in the possibility of this trial being fair you know in ultimate you know ultimately turns i mean if anyone thinks it was just hatred and lack of professionalism by the interrogators and the u. S. Justice system it seems remarkably calm his interrogation torture and so on given the freedom of information request release cables from doc to James Mitchell and bruce just and what do you make of it when you saw how the cables seem to demonstrate the fact the u. S. Government is covering up the way theyve treated this alleged mudra well if you told me and i really have to understand it i know of criminal defense lawyer worth 40 years of experience and i have spent a lifetime litigating mistreat. Good quote unquote of a criminal defendants in the interrogation process if you had told me that the United States government would detain someone disappear a person into shadowy block sites around the world torture him and then seek to prosecute him in what it claims to be a fair or seating if you tell me that that was going to happen 1015 years ago i would have told you thats crazy that could never happen in the United States but it did some of the aspects of the good of the mistreatment continue to the present day but the there is another signal moment on september the 6th of 2006 toward president bush announces that hes been brought to Guantanamo Bay along with others and its there that the more public aspects of the process began but many of those are on the table for discussion and litigation during those round of hearings and rounds of hearings that will be coming out before the end of the year looking back when as you say with all your experience someone looking from the outside would think presumably the way hes been treated is if a conviction wasnt what was sought in this case you think absolutely that big you know its one of the things you see spoken of directly in the materials that describe the torture program the cia is said to be trying to obtain information to prevent future attacks the f. B. I. Is said to be gathering information for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution and theoretically those 2 things could be different could have different means and could have different ins. But when you get into court at least in the United States at least as ive always understood it. And particularly in a capital case when you get into court you begin to have to deal with things like due process and fair trial and the right to remain silent and the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment is contained in the 8th amendment and these present very strict requirements under american law and the way that these men were treated is fundamentally inconsistent with complying with these laws and rules the government for example has been very clear that even if mr muhammad is acquitted of all these charges hell never be really is the only issue is when will he die in prison and how will he die will he die of Natural Causes or will we execute him thats all its on the table but this case means a precedent will have been set that the United States even though as you say these Constitutional Responsibilities of the u. S. Justice system despite all of that this will set a precedent of the United States government in future can do what its done to him i doubt that it will set that kind of precedent at least i certainly hope it wont because the jury is still out so to speak on the exact question and you just asked what will be the response of the United States courts to this to this entire process. Because we are in a military commission now we are within the executive branch and we are within the department of defense but eventually this case will make its way through the appellate process to the district of Columbia Circuit Court of appeals and ultimately to the United States Supreme Court and at that point they will weigh in and they will say this works or this doesnt work and. I think there is every reason to believe that the Appellate Courts someday will look at this case and say way thats not american thats not how we do it. And and this result that you obtained will not stand. So this is by far we are nowhere close yet to a statement that this kind of activity comports with american ideas of justice i know even in the past few days Court Hearings are kept held in secret and so on whats it like being in there and send the jury the jury is made up of military officers do you look at them across a room or just describe what its like defending this were still in pretrial hearings now. The trial has not begun yet so theres no jury present and no jury has been selected and wont be. For quite some time yet but i will say it is a hallmark of american justice the defendant the person whom youre accusing of committing a crime in this case whom you want to kill the defendant is present the defendant sees what the other side is saying about him he sees what the witnesses are saying about him and he leans over to his lawyers and he says thats not right. Ask him whether this that or the other thing. You know the defendant is a person who was an ready informant about to you to his lawyers about what took place is very very odd to hold hearings in which the defendant is specifically excluded from the courtroom do you think that there will be more cables all these years later that will be released because of the stand with other cases famously the 25 of Jose Rodriguez destruction of videotapes and so on of the many videotapes of cia torture have been destroyed is there anything in or that can be used for your case the government 1st announced that it had completed. Revision of materials to the defense. Which we refer to as discovery the government of 1st announced that they completed discovery in 2008 just in the last 30 days weve received something on the order of 25000 pages 25000 pages of discovery all of which is directly relevant to the claims that we have made repeatedly in this case will we continue do we have everything. You know. I cant believe that we do will we ever have everything thats still an open question and i think that thats one of the ways that you can judge just exactly how fair this is what if you turn over to the defendant because thats the 1st obligation of the government is to turn over everything it has that relates to the case in any way and the government has made a principled decision to withhold material and i believe that eventually that will prove fatal to the to the prosecution of this case and just finally and briefly we know from Edward Snowden that n. S. A. Intercepts are full spectrum as it were when it comes to surveillance the information must be out there somewhere no matter how much the United States government may have destroyed its will it right and it i mean its its completely unthinkable that its otherwise and just think about the youre probably familiar with the Senate Select committee on intelligence it is. Executive summary of their report which trust some 500 pages which was released in december of 2014 and describes the torture program that report in the full report is said to be some 6000 pages in length. It is said to have been based on that review of some 5 to 6000000 individual documents weve received about point 03 percent of that material so. Is there more out there. Without a doubt they would never thank you for the show will be back on wednesday 72 years of the day all the founding of the us cia whose current director previously run movie organizations torture black sites until then keep in touch by social media dont forget to subscribe to our huge journal see that. Match geysers financial Survival Guide liquid assets not those that you can convert into cas quite easily. To keep in mind no assets mean to a place of. Record. That he. Was on the call for. When he does acknowledge the false so. You can sleep. With bullets of them. You know something. 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