To to. When were talking about Sustainable Growth this is the best Sustainable Development its not only to grow the number of. The sustainability itself in the world war which is the month aim balance between the romans and between culture and. Conservation again both nature and submission of every teacher this is our all them this is the support conference out to manage them so to see it in a circle michelle to the. Readings and sally you take should. This week the United States honored and paid tribute to the 18th anniversary of the 911 attacks through a host of solemn respectful remembrances that tragic moment in history these came in the form of memorials speeches moments of silence carpet bombing. Yes carpet bombings on tuesday the day before the official anniversary the United States military decided to attack and virtually destroyed the tiny island of contests in the iraqi salo hooting province on tuesday with officials bragging that they dropped nearly 80000 pounds of explosives on the island 80000 pounds of explosives thats 40 tons worth of ordinance and just what was this this great threat to the United States sovereignty that the substituted 40 tons of bombs dropped on the roughly mile and a half long island in the middle of the teachers river well according to Major General eric hill were denying isis the ability to hide unconscious thats it theyre denying them the height and that my friends of the war on terror in a nutshell meanwhile back here in the land of milk and honey the really big news of the week was word of yet another Conspiracy Theory and scandal involving the National Football league and the new England PatriotsFootball Team with the league mom of the recent signing of all pro receiver and tony brown to the new England Patriots within a day of his tumultuous offseason with the Oakland Raiders who cut him many are speculating that some under the table dirty dealing could have been involved so the 911 inspired a never ending war on terror now entering its 18 year 40 tons of bombing and the n. F. L. A new England Patriots proving once again just how the upper echelons of power regain. I think its time to start watching all this. Because. Its really. Easy to see. What they like you know that i got. That we. Would. Be. Welcome on the watching the hawks i am tyrrel them for and so they like every thursday we once again put dialogue over debate of the wallace myself bring you 2 distinct and informative discussions between a variety of topics and guests with unique political viewpoints starting my very own perception perspective. And joining us today as the host of the big picture mr holland cook r t america supports his own christakis and the host of the world according to jess the former minnesota governor Jesse Ventura thank you all 3 programming on 911 started off the United States war on terror now today 18 years later were dropping 40 tons of bombs on a tiny island in the in the tigris river in iraq to supposedly keep whats left of isis from hiding there i want to ask jesse 1st what have we accomplished in the war on terror at this point. Well not much because what people need to understand is were fighting a war with military against something that is a concept terrorism it doesnt have a particular country it doesnt have a particular army or anything like that let me explain why i could become a terrorist in a month if you adhere to the propaganda of your sell your soul to the terroristic stuff and then you. Could become a suicide bomber well what do we do to react to that we send our military and the countries overthrow governments bomb and rocket their countries with a military attack against something that is a concept terrorism is a concept how can you use the military to directly fight a concept now theyve put all this ordinance and what about our constitution when does that come into play have we now relinquished to the military that they can at any time be it syria or anywhere around the world in sovereign nations they can pump rockets in and say theyre fighting the war on terror and can the president now just arbitrarily wage war anywhere they want quote because it falls under terrorism we need to understand this isnt going to solve the problem because when we shoot rockets in and bomb them in there since get killed and the innocents dont blame the people very they blame the people shooting the rockets and the bombs which is us which thus creates more terrorists in the end but maybe thats what we want because the more terrorists there are and the way we fight them that means that we have to support the military Industrial Complex which is now just arriving our economy jesse brings up some real strong points there about why you know where weve gone with the war on terror after 9116 to 7 trillion 7 trillion dollars if we continue to fight it into 2020 Holland Steve what are your thoughts at this point when you look back at the 18 years theres a missing number it told us how many bombs you told us how many tons id love to know how many dollars per bomb or per ton i was a long suffering management suit so my Conspiracy Theory is there is this use it or lose it annual budget thing which the governor railed against all those years in office thinking 0 based but he mentioned the military in. Thats real complex and you just gotta wonder are these war games that the great pointless and to that point as well you know in 2018 i looked up some numbers here it was 70 percent of lockheed martins one of the biggest arms dealers sales and that sales came from the Us Government and raytheon another huge arm dealer 81 percent of their net sales also from the Us Government so these wars are obviously not meant to be won theyre not meant and theyre meant to go on forever to keep the cash flow and that is the biggest problem right there i you know we also have another quick point on ask you guys is should we continue fighting of jesse brought up a great point of you know were fighting this war wrong are we fighting the war on terror wrong with using the military should we be fighting it was say you know police work yeah you know yes yes tyrrel the war should be fought with intelligence gathering and Good Police Work as i said terrorists can be one person you can move armies and to get at one person and thats what terrorism is you know if you strap bombs to yourself and youre suicidal how could you possibly use a military to fight Something Like that thats a really great point and i want to move on now to 2 and the other subject of the day of the big week that kind of to me and capsulated america at its core right now and especially politically is the Conspiracy Theory swirling around new england in the n. F. L. Because here you have you know the biggest sport in the country the most one of the most popular biggest money making teams in that sport a guy the conspiracy years Antonio Brown was kind of backdoor talk in new england maybe this whole time because they wanted him before last season then he you know wreaks havoc on the Oakland Raiders they caught him within less than a day maybe a couple hours suddenly hes announcing hes signed by new england it sounds like a work you know it does say you i mean the timing seems rather suspicious and it seems like it it could have been an orchestrated event because last season its well known that the steelers were in or the patriots wanted to be in trade talks with the steelers for brown but it ended up falling to. When brown went to the raiders and all the erratic behavior leading up to his release last weekend and then a matter of hours less than 3 or 4 hours later hes a member of the new England Patriots seems rather suspicious however he is only making that potentially about half what he would have made in oakland he was guaranteed 30000000 there he could make up to 15000000 this season with the patriots so thats a little you know i wonder about that as well why would he take allen under from that neck of the woods 1x5w3xw how many yachts can your water is give a high end but i am i do live in rhode island and the patriots park their handsome boeing 767 right on the runway right as you come into the airport and i always see people in the terminal taking selfies with the plane right out the window and somebody asked to take our picture and i said yeah sure i took the i phone im taking their picture i said where youre from they said tampa. Is there jesse you want to chime in. Well the whole thing is this lets look at the situation you have there pittsburgh did not want to go into new england that was for sure so get him going to oakland and all this stuff lets remember something the patriots have already been caught cheating twice 2 times filming opponents and the fame ball deflation thing so its kind of like drunk driving if youve been caught twice it means youre doing it far more often than math these are just the times youve been caught so new england is not a ball of fire dont think any type of collusion in getting a player they want who can ensure them another super bowl and lets remember ok he took less money but guess what if he goes to do england he gets a rig and that this point a rating is more important one money and this is the thing that it brings up and this is why i think its important story that i bring it up at a political show is that to me this and it does it in capsulated one of the big problems that every politician talks about that doesnt change is that. If you are rich and powerful you can cheat the system all you want the n. F. L. Has rules against this kind of thing but you can cheat the system all you want and theres no consequences if youre big enough and youre big enough team if youre big enough personnel in the dictionary to rich and powerful youll see a picture of robert kraft and his free its owner yeah and to go along with this we just saw yesterday came out to justify last years triple crown crown winner in horse racing tested positive for a banned substance before the Kentucky Derby the 1st leg of the crown he should have never even qualified for that race to get the triple crown but hall of famer trainer bob baffert and along with the California Racing Association swept under the rug and it just came out now that he was still allowed to race when he should have been jesse well lets lets remember too that bob kraft probably takes a picture pretty well in a towel at a massage parlor. Yet never got fined by the n. F. L. For those things even though its not you know thats the guy that got him still hasnt been for it hasnt been officially charged and male with that were over that have a real inferiority complex you saw the movie moneyball now their Football Team cant get arrested i feel bad now for the people in pittsburgh yeah lets look at robert kraft the owner again much like you know how youd fight with the Koch Brothers in washington its the same principle as the owner of the patriots hes also one of the key owners in t. V. Negotiations with the n. F. L. Is also i believe hes on the bargaining groups he decides the commissioner salary all sits on those boards how are you going to police that guy at the end of the day. Tyrrel tyrrel lets remember something though the n. F. L. Is a private sector business so they can govern themselves you know and what they do if they are corrupt within the system im not too sure what the government can really do about it a great point thats a grilli great point you know but you know should the government get involved quickly with the n. F. L. When you see shenanigans over and over again and people getting built out of money i mean somebody needs to step in obviously if the owners control everything and they control the commissioner who makes the rules if youre in the pocket. The commissioner if that cup mr is in the pocket of lets say the owner who controls everything basically in robert kraft he can get away with basically whatever he wants and thats an unfair advantage unfair unlevel Playing Field sadly have to leave it there i want to thank you all 3 of you for coming on today darn it oh all right say it really quickly here ok heres the key the key to this whole thing is the stadiums if theyre old we should have a say so read it because were footing the bill where they work at sit right there thank you thats a great button on the end of that i hear so much former governor Jesse Ventura sports commentator steve christakis and the host of the big picture always good thank you so much all right as we go to break dont forget to let us know what you think of the topics weve covered our social media and be sure to check out watching the hawks the podcast which is now available on spotify apple music and everywhere you listen to podcasts coming up Michael Wallace opens up a gallery on some new forms of surveillance in Environmental Protection and health apps i want to miss this state to the point youre going. To become eternal you have to become kharkiv robots you tense you know we have to become reaches like. Iran and north in the arms of superhero movies. And i dont see them again i dont want to be a good reason. To the 1920 s. You know there were no laws really on wall street and the abuses were huge and the market plunge. And people began to look at the stock market as the proxy for the expected letters and so this is what happened now people are saying look the economys the real economy. Turbot to be on the job theyve been shipped overseas and im nothing left of day trading and the market goes up therefore im being productive but its the beast. With the make this manufactured consensus public will. When the really close isnt protect themselves. Or the flames. Its a. Week in the middle of the room sick. According to John Perry BarlowFounding Member of the electronic volunteer foundation relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your Window Blinds which is why so many feel the need to question steps taken by governments to use surveillance for the socalled public good san diego is one of the most surveilled cities in the World Without work 1300 body cameras over 14000 smart street lights countless drones cell site simulators facial recognition devices and even automated license plate readers in a recent proposal for their Community AirProtection Program it was proposed that the city use things like smart street lamps to scan license plates that would then be put through a Software Program designed to identify vehicular air pollution emissions however the city Board Members saw a major problem with the plan christie gasper a San Diego County supervisor told local press i agree that we need to absolutely address the air pollution concerns of low income communities but there must be a better way than can. License plate and vehicle make a model information i think it can be rove real precedent setting and an invasion of privacy would spark san diego supervisors to demand a less constitutionally questionable way to identify polluters on the roads and while governments are trying to get our data for free a lot of us are giving away the cow and the milk or someone else makes profit from the cheese last year Privacy International found that 61 percent of the apps they tested automatically transfer data to facebook within seconds of them being opened this year they use the same methodology to look at a Sexual Health and habit apps that track fertility mood Sexual Activity and menstrual cycles Privacy International found that most Feminine Health apps are sharing very private personal medical information with facebook who in turn is using it to present you with targeted ads you know the 4th amendment of the Us Constitution states the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated so lets see of privacy can survive the age of tech and step into the gallery. Thanks. Joining me here in the gallery our artsy correspondents affair and. Michelle greenstein and Rachel Blevins welcome to the gallery but if youre so do you think that. The Founding Fathers ideals of privacy is start with you. Is it just a fantasy in a modern tech world i mean i will say you know as im as i was listening to you about the san diego report earlier this week i filed a report about how the d. M. V. Has been caught taking data and sending it to selling it to private investigators because you know people are trying to find for little incidents like if their spouse is cheating on them. The d. M. V. Were supposed to go there just to get our license or registration and then go home not we dont even realize that were selling or were giving them r. J. To sell and i think its just its one of these things where i believe in. All of us being safe but sometimes the government just doesnt know when to when they hit that wall and back off it always kind of pushes the boundaries theyre kind of extreme if it comes to things like that its like oh i can have this i want it all and what do you think do you think that were looking at this because one of the other things that comes up is that when you look at a map of where these smart streetlights that they plan is in san diego that are collecting all this information when you look at a map of those what you end up seeing is a concentration of these this is all the smart apps are the smart street life is sort of like 40000. 00 there and thats being concentrated into low income areas what does that say about the classism of that like you know where if youre rich you can have privacy but if your question i think is like is this going to be used to help these disadvantaged communities or to work against them i think its highly significant that this show the 1st of the show was about 911 right and how were continuing to bomb you know in the socalled war on terror all these years later the other half of that equation of the aftermath of 911 is whats happening domestically so were bombing overseas because of the war on terror but domestically its all about surveillance right and so smart lamps like youre talking about and the smart grid as a whole is the biggest story thats happening right now thats unfolding right in front of our very eyes so we had all of this surveillance infrastructure being rolled out justified based on the war on terror. The new round of surveillance is being justified on this sustainability on saving the planet and that goes all the way up to the un and their agenda 2030 goals for Sustainable Development and thats a global plan but its implemented locally just like it is here in san diego so this is something that its really hard to argue against who is against saving the planet right we have to ask whats it actually going to result in and in this case its surveilling regular working people right there when youre looking at the fact of the local government saying oh look were doing something to fight pollution this is a good thing but then the local citizen should be asking ok why do you need our license plate numbers why are you trying to track of this and exactly where is it happening and who is it being used against because you look at the fact that a lot of cities still have problems with policing for profit and targeting minorities in their cities specifically just so that they can get more funding and so it is interesting how it looks like theyre kind of branding it to say oh look were actually doing something that will help these people out but at the same time may end up having adverse effects right because you know we cant someone who you know if youre looking for cars to identify cars that have high emissions theyre probably older cars and theyre probably owned by people who probably dont have the money to do that and is it just going to be about identifying whos using emissions i doubt it when you have data you use it for whatever you can and weve seen that time and time again with Companies Like facebook i like that you brought up policing for profit because in a broader sense were living in this profit based system right and its kind of like how you brought up pollution its about pollution on its face but if we really want to tackle air pollution whether its san diego or anywhere else there are better ways to do that right we could incentivize people using Public Transportation to incentivize tesla or whatever it is or maybe start to hold some of these Big Companies accountable who are responsible for the overwhelming amount of air pollution in the country its not really just the people that have you know its 3 jobs 5 kids is their responsibility to be you know using less emissions or is it these companies that have you know multibillion dollar budgets and what is supposed to happen when lets say they take these license plate. If they find out you know so and so is using too many emissions what are they supposed to do it is supposed to give up their car or are they supposed to go buy a new car that they probably wont be able to afford at that point do they have to pay a bigger fine now because they were they were caught using more emissions its keeping people dumb is keeping the little guy down and that to me i think its thats not what our government supposed to be doing is supposed to be lifting people up and helping right not keeping people down right which it but if you say that youre suddenly like this scary socialist because i like wow you know i think a lot of our Representative Government to represent us thats so weird of you interesting but alright lets give credit to the board here at san diego theyre asking to look for alternatives to the system so i mean who knows how far that will go but thats cool that you know theyre actually thinking about the people that they claim to represent. Moving on to the 2nd act of privacy we have i find that now the big thing is that youre seeing so much more health apps whether it be healthier watch which are eating and i will try them for a while but i realize all theyre doing is just having me enter a whole bunch of data and not really giving me a whole lot in return which then it really is is like youre giving away the milk and a little bit for your mood right like i would be more private you look at these and you know this is this is medical information youre putting and when you sleep when you when you have sex if you use protection when you have sex what kind of Birth Control youre on what other medications youre taking you know its a lot of personal information that can be used and its whats interesting is that medical information has historically been the most legally protected of anything i mean a lot of things you cant tell people you cant do this what is it about these apps in a time do you think that makes it so popular so it was you well its interesting because i come from a medical family everyone is in medicine except me but i see it i see both sides i see where there are times where patients are very afraid to go to their doctor and say hey. Hey i have this wrong with me and this might be because ive had too much unprotected sex or Something Like that i mean theres an app for guys out there where they can get certain things just by typing it in their own personal guy app this for women i mean i could see where they might have that uncomfortable feeling with their doctor and theyre having fertility problems and this can actually help them you know kind of track everything and maybe instead of having to pay thousands and thousands of dollars going to or to a fertility clinic they could just go through the app however what are they doing with your data where you dont know it also speaks to the fact that in the age that we live in our data is our most valuable product you know this is what the apps want to ensure theyre super convenient i mean youre just putting your information into and out youre not reading the terms of service youre just going along with it and it seems really convenient and a lot of people dont worry about what theyre giving up as a result of that and especially when you have these apps that are literally tracking your mood what youre craving that sort of thing and then giving it over to facebook will now facebook knows that on the 1st week of every month you crave chocolate and youre not in a great mood and theyre going to target ads to you as a result of a lot of people i mean some people do care about that because privacy concerns but a lot of people just wave got off because its so convenient get well this is i think about it that i worry is are we ignoring this sort of slippery slope of letting a little bit letting a little bit letting a little bit and saying these things of going you know my concerns at the end of the day are well Insurance Companies get a hold of this data and deny claims will attorneys use it against women in court when theres you know a rape victim by a slut shaming them in court by saying well youre your app says as and you know if we should have more time were running out of time tonight i. Think you were talking to me jeb out you know the solar sort of crazy privacy world where we dont have any privacy so here we are you know were not at war in iran its going to profit maximize in the long term its going to help them you know pretty much control the worlds resources so. Like you said is really important you might feel the control data but you cant control the ladies that this panel thank you so much for head. And rochelle thank you so much for joining me today here in the gallery and talking us through all of the privacy concerns that we have. Been to every minute and thats our thats our show for you today everyone please as my cohost always says in this world were not loved enough. On top of the wireless keep on watching and have a great day and night everyone. 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