All the weather and stocks that will be raised outside of capitals and also i do big cities and this is another kind of motivation and management so we want to. Decentralize tourist flows from the big cities slim to every cardless of the north whether those flows go to big cities or rural areas they leave enormous Environmental ImpactTourism Industry is now bigger and bigger polluter than lets say the Construction Industry if it continues to grow at the current rate can you reassure that any environmental agreement rather this paris climate deal or whatever can be fulfilled how can you do that when you house such growth to Climate Change through Paris Declaration was made many years ago but no specially the day after tomorrow were going to issue 1st. Quite a change the impact on tourism and. A declaration its not a clear. The report which will work more than 2 years and with a very specific and very Interesting Research is regarding what is the impact of Climate Change on essential and what is the impact of tourism and maturing i think its very interesting and i would have a probe that would have. Very detailed. Research and im sure that we would use it on the ground and on the field with the Member States and to see the recommendations to see the solutions of this program but the key issues and again to support and to see these grow can be managed but the secretary general if you support the growth in john in general that means that the Environmental Impact is going to be more substantial that it is now i mean one can melt travel from the u. K. To france for 20 pounds if you bring that kind of cheap with billet teacher africa if you bring that kind of chip my ability to south america how could the planet sustain that. Regarding. There is a huge opportunity to create new jobs and new places and new destinations when were talking about Sustainable Growth this is the brother Sustainable Development its not only to grow the number of tourists this is the abilities itself in the world which is to maintain balance between rome and to be between culture and. Conservation again. Nature and conservation of Cultural Heritage this is our role in this is to support manager in toto see to give a population show to do it. A few years ago there was a. Similar situation of with the production people used to be proud that that their food comes from all over the world but now you have a growing movement of. People ever aland the globe trying to localize Food Production specifically to minimise Environmental Impact do you think the same think would ever happen to tourism when people when i. Actually decide that i would rather travel laclede go across the globe and leave a normal us amount of air exhaust just to get some sunlight. One more thing that goes through me is really important part of tourism today and its. Growing in part of the Food Production is grown to tourism flows in the of course the impact for that reason we started last year and will continue next to 3 years to support and to help. Hold tooling better and hope to have innovate to verse aleutians for Food Production and total link it with torres and when i was last here 1st petitioning us throw them into a rhythm and the idea is to find the best start ups and best projects to manage better the need to manage better. To show the program here you were mentioned well but my question was not so much about just try me my question was about taking a decision to go across the globe and leave an impact that for the most part these unaccounted for because me going to value this hasnt of and in fact not only own people in venice but also in people in the caribbean who are feeling the effects of the Climate Change in terms of the harringtons and nobodys giving or compensating down for that is that something is something that the global Tourism Industry could ever address because from my understanding its very good at calculating the profits but its not very good at calculating and compensating for the impact once you are creating new your toes or new cities or new destinations immediately and you need to support and help. I recall to report another very interesting project regarding that issue we were going to launch knowing tomas what we want to link and to create platform its all over the construction to support all for most and all didnt do. There are small and Medium Enterprises especially in our go. Production to help them to link with the Big Companies with big chains and special interest sector and to help them to sell their. Productions and. Put all the world that with this plot that we are going to support and promote again small families and small and supreme nurse now from what i know at a number of large tourism destinations are now becoming victims of that own success people in valleys in barcelona in dubrovnik are no longer that excited about tourists and many of them complain that. You know this mass tourism in particular house is is changing be character of the neighborhood its making their own lives worse rather than better its changing the quality. Of their lives do you sympathize with those kind of complaints our headquarters is located in madrid and were very close touch with barcelona mother the grandmother more see this in spain with which population of which it was some programs and again you know were meeting with the mayors was recording go for that situation and of course we are supportive and were looking at the ways how to manage these inflows and behold to make more Sustainable Growth sometimes its in some cases its not so easy but we want to use again the innovation in. The nation to let alone awareness and dubrovnik and most disappointing to know it was not expecting the Growth Growth will slow for us then so that but again always there is a decision and. Its a matter of minutes went and im hoping to see that all Different Countries and cities. That have some local style of management for example who plays for barcelona. Or the mayor she was clean goldens you know stitch. If you want to stop the tourism there this was her message in case of the destination is starting to promote the close this nation to the city and to experience again from the central part of the city so. To create new this nation and to promote new activities culturally. All of them out again different but many jubelin. Who are very close with them and the working that were discussing we will have another meeting to discuss in more detail signature of general the us could recently said that or threaten to venice to its least of endangered cultural sites dont you think that its perhaps a little bit too late to discuss the things why has this iteration been allowed to progress to a point when you have major un cultural body to threaten such an action i mean isnt it a little bit late for disaster its already too late maybe no one expected this kind of. Growth again back to. Where we are located spending. Right to 3 years ago 50000000 tourists in the last year it was 80 no one expected expected such. Growth of inflows so again i ask you as i have of the top here on tourism body how would you describe or define a conscientious tourist is it somebody who travels long distances or on the contrary somebody who tries to travel as little as possible is it somebody who spans and consumes a lot or somebody who on the contrary is very conscious about spending and the environmental and social impact that he or she would have a different kind of. Interest to the question was that how we can differentiate on chances and asked Michael Turns because you know at this conference you talk a lot about. Ethics but what it would have been every. Day i think it was mr who respects 1st of all their environment respect the culture of respect the. Hosting countries where hes going to and of course its not the. Case over the number of. People how many countries they visited and or less or more but the way we see that the number of tourists are growing we have more than 1400000000 resistors last year and. So you still see growth as a good thing. Ultimately because thats a thats a very important question and many people would say that growth and consumerism in turn is a detrimental thing growth is a good thing but Sustainable Growth management is really important that it occasion is really important quality of service is really very important there are many many. Things which. We need to improve improve and we need to support that its not only growth thats what i measure that its not only about growth its about education its a boat you know vision again its about many many components which we need to improve and we need to support of course to diverse and to see on the world there are lots of both communities and we are supporting to support you in this and especially in africa and continue to have a lot of space tools to support and to promote tourism and well have a very concrete and interesting plan an agenda with africa minister oh to. Support the growth of tourist because again i will be a little bit to create new jobs for Africa Clinton i think were talking about the region its crucial to create new jobs and we are economy is that the growth of flows of tourists will create new jobs you know what to do we need to create. The growth of tourism we need connectivity we need. More productivity we need more investments more investments in infrastructure and security business and these are companies which we need to improve with them and again africa is huge going into we have 54 Different Countries and all of them they have a different stage of development so there is another space to promote and to support them branding promotion and other issues for the continent support well secretary general we have to take a very short break now but well be back in just a few moments stay tuned. The slimmest of the 1920 s. You know and there were no laws really on wall street and the abuses were huge and marketed one way and people began to look at the stock market as the proxy for the economy people are getting wealthy because their stocks are going up and they did they quit their jobs to just become speculators and so this is what happened now people are saying look the economy the real economy is terrible to be on no jobs theyve been shipped overseas and im nothing left of day trading and the market goes up therefore im being productive but its obviously. Just manufactured and sentenced to public wealth. When the room in close is protect them so. When the financial merry go round lifts only the one percent so. Its time to ignore middle of the room signals. From the real news is. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to get us out of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. Then. I gotta go. Welcome back to worlds apart without putting the secretary general of the well to our eye still sure about that because from my perspective governments seem to be becoming more restricted see if about who comes and who goes population for all over the world need 20 percent list. When it was a took 10 years that is it is ago 10 years ago so were working still a bit and individually with all Member States and countries to support no result of course and we know understand what it well that there are different issues and different internal lower 40 policies for each country and but again. For coasties to decrease the number of. To facilitate the travelers and to make their. Life and troops more comfortable there are number of countries who are using the tourism outflows as a political leverage i think russia would be one example china would be another you can see a correlation between the number of tourists visiting certain countries and political relations with those countries. What do you think about this because i was informed russia is going to open in 2 to give reason for the regime more than 100 countries same is going so the arabia to do it through the next 2 it is not always about. These say you know if you come from a regional or from georgia and you know that russia for example introduced. A freeze on direct air travel between russia and georgia that has a direct impact on the on the number of russian people traveling to journey. Do you take that as a as a political as a use of tourism as a Political Tool or do you see different. Messages all those 2 dont mix politics. Between them because. I think that sometimes and in many cases its politico looking at the dynamic of the decreasing. Facilitation optimistic and we think that this group and this possibility will be in many countries and again it will affect them to respect number of visitors let me ask you one india to become citizens of these countries they still have. And many countries they dont have by the throat facilitation with with training in india and there was a promoting to to be more flexible and to open for example the so somebody which is really for. 2 years ago they announced one reason for people or training is. The number of trainers there is increased china has from what i know the Worlds Largest congregation of tourists thats a very big force that the could also be a very big resource and every time china has somewhat difficult political relationship with a country you can see the number of tourists drop for example it was. South korea recently taiwan in the United States the number of Chinese Tourists is now decreasing is that something that happens naturally or you suspect some political interplay there and i truly happen if there is a Natural Disaster but if something is happening between countries politically of course its politico issue again before Natural Disasters also we have in many cases when the number is that it decreasing Security Issues its another important thing we saw what happened in egypt in tunisia 56 years ago syria where as it was. So clearly collapsed the number of tourists decreased more than 50 percent but you know we have absolutely big change and were very happy to see that the situation is becoming in 2010 which was one of the best year for this countrys. Small lets will these issues are playing glowed political. Conflicts will Natural Disasters and Security Issues this there are 3 factors which affect a lot of interest flows from one country to another i want to ask you one more question oh perhaps 2 more question about russia and georgia but you know because i think its a very interesting case for the industry and the reason it interests me is because i think it raises a question of what where hospitality begins and where the ends and if you receive where there are fewer foreign visitors from one country how. Derisive for disrespectful you cant afford to be towards that particular country whats your answer to that. I was the minister of economy in tourism in georgia and starting from that day and this is the limit it was really difficult for me because it was just 20092010 the year after your general russia conflict starting from day 2 till tomorrow i dont remember when one tourist from russia who was. In who felt himself. In all of them and would have and this effect this on numbers that number of russian visitors increasing every year. Increasing numbers more than from 5 to 10 percent of course if tomorrow we dont. Naturally the number of visitors will decrease way because according to the tourist needs accessible fastest way no one will come to the flying to we stumbled on from here a lot of people here will die there. Is a lot of them because we have many. Traditional cultural links that with all due respect mr berger is also getting a lot of benefit from russian tourists is it ok for the droege and society to have those and to russia not just on to kremlin but and to russian rallies in the center of the leases sparked by nothing i mean the recent war horse was totally unprovoked it was over a sum like deputy obscure deputy sitting in the wrong place in parliament in the grand scheme of things this is nothing and yet it provoked such a major reaction does it change your definition of sustainability and when you can lose in a 3rd of your tourist over Something Like that how you build a sustainability after that sure that there were some mistakes there were you know hopes that this program will be sold to i dont know oh and when but i hope and. Be happy if tomorrow well have gained. More and more tourists will coming george and more tourists will come in russia as well and tourism is one of the best instruments for peace. Knowing the government of georgia and that russian politician but i hope that. Only dialogue and only. Collaborative. So this problem and i hope that again the flights will be back do you think these situation this whole situation offers any lessons for your other Member States in what to do hope perhaps what not to do when it comes to tourism because again we have never well i may be mistaken that we have never seen Something Like that because i think we had a similar situation between russia and turkey if you years ago while there were political instability of political differences. Direct flights were suspended that is it something that you think countries may. Start doing more and more if political or geopolitical situation in the world the best i think its not the best way of protest and its not the best way to express your very painful i mean obviously if you have this sense in a little again. Im sure that it will be became a starting position and dont mix to tourists with. With politics but politics and trade a mixed all the time how is tourism this for if its another issue but tourism i think its more important to close people and to to have more more closer relationship between people its affect tourism more than the trade there are other issues another interesting example of this interplay between politics and tourism is the United States and i know that their formal you know the member of your organization yes but i wonder if you were watching whats happening there in tourism wise because there are a lot of conflicting information about how. President trumps stance on migration is a factor in not affecting the Tourism Industry regarding last year we were so that the decrease of. The rebels in the United States was it was decreasing going to a percent which is not so big big number theyre still number one receiving tourists from over the world and. Presence french polish. If effect on the tourist bit as well so the last 2 years i mean we dont have a big change just because people still are going to the United States we already have been. On earth to see that the United States is becoming again Member Organization and when it decided now. It was to need a Strong Partner with us and the United States is number one today into respect to many many things in other patients again in innovation Investments One of the biggest level of funds and companies from the United States and we want. More why do you in the United States is showing interest in your organization at the time when theyre withdrawing from many other un bodies what i said special about this is an interesting question because they believe in tourism and they see the opportunities and thats why im sure that for them its its interesting to to to know more and will be closer with the 158. 00 Member States and to support the organization which is doing im seeing quite interesting projects and thinks one of the concerns that the years Tourism Industry repeatedly voice is it is labor shortage in particular when it comes to bringing in seasonal labor sometimes undocumented labor and having to pay more to the locals and i think this is 11 of those examples when the interest of the industry and the interest of the state at least as defined by the current administration. Do not coincide when you have such a conflict of interest which side are you on the side of the administration which wants to decrease the number of workers or on the side of the Tourism Industry which wants to increase. Border more and learn. Of course were not looking. For something to turn the. Political decision. That was rule for some. Gold in. Between. Those who. Support of course the industry to upgrade to gain the drops this is all for loss of the total number one priority for us is to create new jobs in the over. All additional 4 mil is an old additional. Person getting something from a tourist. Or supports. We have to leave it there thank you very much for being with us today thank you our viewers can keep the conversation going in our social media pages. Hope to see the same place same time here on the worlds apart. 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