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Its a over the 1000000 up of the 3000000 people in this country have now had settled status and the numbers are going up and i think. What they can but what are the numbers i mean you rich i want to get on to the to the letter this is away from all the procedures and all the drama in westminster this is what is the scale here because we see millions of people are British Nationals are in the e. U. And there are millions of those here in britain tell me about this letter that youve written not pretty to tell but to the bricks secretary. Well were asking their go to the 3rd of september we havent had a reply yet asking for an update of the position of all the. British People Living in europe regarding their health their pensions provision of that car and we want an update given that the government has pledged to levy of up of the 31st of october i. Update what their position is and then we will someone witnesses i suspect to ask the government to close examine them as to how efficient and how wide eyed how comprehensive the provision is to give assured still people who are very very very well they know that paula bench is put we can sit the committee can sit so we can do our job supervising what is happening so theres new scrutiny and at the same time Boris Johnson has been very clear they would rather no deal breaks it by the 30. You just said the 35 where as parliament is saying is not going to begin to deal on the 31st which means presumably the meat and potatoes of this letter its. Its up for grabs as part of the negotiations whether it be the irish sea backstop whether it be whatever citizenship brady i think anything can happen but in the meantime were not able to give a show that people. Regarding the efficiency of the scheme operated by the home office and when we come back we will sit and consider it but of course as a former attorney general you are very aware that in these 5 weeks Parliament May not be sitting but courts will be sitting weve already seen that recent cases of the Supreme Court and other lower level courts being talked about john major former Prime Minister gina miller bringing cases denied about process presumably if anything came up as regards the issues in this letter of a National Status in this country a British National stage in the e. U. Before the 7th of october. Someone could bring it up in court or something to avoid being the prospect of deportation what could be or it could be but we have this once parliament closes down and does not sitting this very long period to pull the geisha is really. So fundamentally dangerous for ordinary people ordinary people of this card who are anxious to be satisfied that their lights are protected with a speaker. Did seem to be slightly concerned about it but its all legal its part of the british political process the government is quite entitle to do what its been doing as regards purgation brazil. Yes well i said that quite clearly an interview i had with the times recently that i. Know the procedures have been followed its the party of ministers. To advise the queen extended duty and a convention of the queen accept the advice of the privatised. Of the house is that. I suspect i may be wrong i suspect the court will hold that all the procedures how be taken but that doesnt go back to the problem the basic problem is that there is no paula vant to supervise the government to make the government and that is the heart of the problem and is that not the reason why many are resorting to the courts theres been a new book where for was just as would sumption lot of legal debate about what is the rule of the Supreme Court in britain can the Supremes Court overrule the Prime Minister you mentioned the the queen presumably the queen is of no importance in any of this she is just a figurehead but do we live in a Constitutional Monarchy or a democracy my guess is that the courts will not intervene as i said minister so ago. I think i could belong i would be of a surprised if the courts intervened in what is a procedural matter which seems to be followed a political decision. Quite unhappy that the courts are involved a tall but we have a system here which we are very very proud of of judicial review where ministers and indeed public bodies can be called before the court if there is a decision has been unbelievable or they have followed the correct procedures so perfect title to do it but whether they would succeed. But i may be wrong because you mention when russia interestingly former Supreme Court justice goes actually claimed whilst saying that we should be proud of our system and so on like. All of the big lawyers in this country said the system does politically protect minorities from ethnic or religious discrimination because windrush was a clear example of why the system did not work as regards what dres amaze government was doing it was a big bug ive caused a lot of and desire to people whove been here maybe if of the age of 5 or maybe less if we can happen to black people thats what we want as a committee to ensure that it doesnt happen the youve appeared bases or youve appeared nationals here or British Nationals in europe we want to ensure there is no there petition. Because of a failure of a system and i think if i guess correctly that well be going back to this issue time and time again it is a question of cost but when it comes to the exile of people that well have to consider really what view is on the lack of air. Other than an email you mentioned emails goes todays deadline day for Boris Johnson according to the law has a strong monday he has to give up emails whats up messages around the will there be no eyebrows raised that. Anonymous sources in the like coming out of downing street saying you know what. The government may break the law i mean on serious or Mainstream Media programs in this country there will be debates what happens of Prime Minister breaks the law what have you made of it and is it a loud too were not allowed to forget but beef it breaks the law i think in public lou the 3rd of his cabinet i suspect the lord chancellor the attorney judge of the the the law is obliged by a specific act of parliament with the status of the office was changed to defend the rule of law and my guess is that there are many people in the government who would not only be unhappy but would find it very difficult to serve and i dont know and if you were attorney general today in geoffrey caucuses and you knew that say one of Dominic Cummings people in downing street was Briefing Journalists saying you know war if necessary will break the law would you resign as attorney general i would be sending for the Prime Minister to explain what the situation is. I would not be able to serve in a government would you really i mean it seems such an obvious i would not be able to serve in a government of that kind i would give him a chance to explain himself but i suspect no lawyer of and yesterday would want to obey the government where there is a serious expectation the Prime Minister intends to break the law i hope this is not an event to comment but although its not a comment where there is any substance behind it just finally and very briefly away from breaks away from all of these debates since David Cameron to resume the beginning of austerity the ban. Because bailout legal aid has been cut and access to justice has been cut according to activist groups any chance of something changing in the near future for those seeking legal aid but theres nothing of substance but we have. Come to an end i raised the matter of the lords 3 weeks ago that if a standard is coming to a dead or has come to an end that the person should be opened to jordan ordinary people have access to the law i mean theyve abolished it a great portion of family law the bar of the criminal solicitors have to work see times as hard probably for the same pay as they had 20 years ago if you cut and cut and cut and i would feel it very unhappy to advise anyone to go into the practice of the criminal law and we desperately need good pictish has to defend the rights of citizens morris thank you. After the break with the rest set to continue at the Worlds Largest arms fair today in london revolutionary on just beat it cannot images be a complicity in war crimes and speaks about a lifetime of visual dissent going up about to going underground. With the socalled afghan Peace Process in tatters u. S. Troops still in syria iran more times than not agreeing with iran maximum pressure on iran failing americas allies in the middle east and odds over yemen can anyone make heads or tails out of trumps Foreign Policy in the middle east it seems to be going from bad to worse. Welcome back todays 46 years since the u. S. U. K. Backed coup that killed Salvador Allende of chile a coup supported by just 5 u. S. Official john bolton well here is the arguable favorite to be britains next Prime Minister paying tribute to id and where. Most peoples are. Pretty. Close to. It was a. Whole generation that leader unlike u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson oppose u. S. U. K. Policy that arguably led to another anniversary today the 911 attacks on washington and new york were carried out by supporters of Anglo American backing for the heading in afghanistan let alone islam ists in yugoslavia today britain has a Prime Minister who attacks opponents of alqaeda across the middle east johnson and alqaeda let alone new labor blairites were even warned about it by the leader who defeated them in syria but a call for awfully good to talk about on the hot. Welcome to how people come in my reply to feel for understand how different from those ideas. I want to. Go with him i can with a following of from him Boris Johnson supported nato violence they doggedly aided al qaeda supporters in syria afghanistan and iraq but his support for the tory new labor blairites war in libya which created a safe haven for al qaeda in the mediterranean is more nuanced British Foreign secretary Boris Johnson has say the removal of former libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi in 2011 has proved to be a humanitarian and security tragedy that was speaking on his return to the u. K. Up to today because its immediately he the men are able parties in the country to try and reach a compromise what does Boris Johnson know about David Camerons catastrophic destruction of africas richest country that others dont as foreign secretary he would have been privy to top secret documents pertaining to m i 6 and a my 5 relations with islam is groups in libya alleged m i 5 complicity has been raised by the father of 8 year old sufi resource the youngest victim of the Manchester Arena terror attack as an area grant a concert i put the blame on m i 5 and our government for this war. Because he knew about thinking about some a long time ago now new questions of emerged because johnsons government once evidence about the is the mr mantra story no atrocity to be heard in secret johnsons new home secretary pretty patel says its all about National Security this from someone who infamously resigned over covert meetings with supporter of alqaeda linked groups in syria Benyamin Netanyahu he was one of the last leaders to meet johnson before parliament was shot down on monday and all this as even u. K. State mandated media has followed this program in this channel in reporting connections between the u. K. And those who celebrate september the 11th really expense money and our jihad. It is unfortunately strengthening extremists because mamma groups well joining me now is a crank see has had to him john birger says his work is haunting the Royal College of art professor of political odd peter cannot whose book visual dissent is out now about pluto press joins me now thanks so much of a coming on tell me about the book and if you look through it have it seems to differ so much from the arguably advertiser lead i dont know young british artists and all the rest of it they get all the attention when it comes to british yeah well i well i want to do a book that wasnt seen as an art but was actually 50 years of history because one of my just to get through to young people and to make history live was i think its very important to know about the events so ive done 50 years since i saw in 1990 and political stuff going right through to this year and talked about a particular subject within nature and then talked talked about what i did about it in terms of on look so you know lets explore some of that because obviously weve just been having this scores of people have been arrested. Just down the road from here. In east london theres a double page spread hidden in here all the largest Manufacturing Company in this country it makes weapons be a way why being a b. A. Seems to be almost an arm of the government now and its setting arms to regimes a. Totally and to human rights and selling arms to the saudi arabians thats why you know its because. We know what is going on the saudi arabia especially in yemen. You know the weapons are killing civilians women and children and i say in the book that they will have these sort of the logos and be who you know they they say were doing this for the people of for with us and all of this and they put themselves over as a sort of peace Loving Company that selling something but the reality is theyre making weapons well. And they stay when they presumably say the government has them to export these weapons and yeah as the ira have to train their pilots bombing bombing yemen im going to ask you just mentioned already the accessibility that was so important to you over your a. Lot of the magazine covers as well as the final to get in calories around the world. For magazines nowadays i didnt see or would go on the front pages of the news like you know i mean papers of become more on a dime in the sort of in this country in images they use and they tend to put film stars on the cover papers think that they the cartoonist can say what they want to say because its a cartoon so its goes on also whereas if you do a montage they think people wont understand that its something constructed and theyll think its an actual picture they have all these weird ideas of people and broad health until i became a pieces. Well the book begins is it 50 years ago with kissinger. Century ago when the new labor loon conservative mrs ray came to have their photograph taken with enriquez and jersey we can see the one in the book here i mean. That kicks off the whole book way way the importance of what i mean i think he represents the sanitization of someone that to me was a warmonger in terms of fear and im combo did he actually instigated all the experimentation with the weapons or the napalm on he was very much put the brains behind that and now hes seen as a very. Honored elder statesman and i think thats what can happen to people like that you know if they live long enough people actually forget what theyve done we had the g. 8 recently all the g 7 g 7 has been out in b. R. It theres a whole selection of pictures here that you did for the g 8 as it is then before russia was left over little change i mean they did say they gave someone a for a Climate Change i think but tell me about does a lot want to do saying that because that was in the end the skin and i want to find that people could. Use what i did with those i put them all up on on the internet different sizes high rez and a lot of red so people could actually make their own versions you know what do you think would you would you do on t. V. The beer its g 7 john barry rolling into town talking about the issues of the day the kind of concerns that you have the what i think theyre talking about i mean in terms of theatrical sort of in reality im one of one of the pictures is. Of the child went to a casino table which is easy from early from leg that he hated and we can tell you about it. Its the sort of roulette wheel of poverty that gamma. Thing with childrens lives and the way theyre acting is not going to change peoples lives like that its just its again its window dressing and thats what the point of montage is to break through that window dressing to give people another look at whats going on i dont think it is propaganda its not telling people what to do or who to join no but its trying to get people to think critically as media is mainly just going from one subject to another and sort of a general way and covering up a lot of whats actually going on and the point of montage is to uncover it to sort of smash it open in some way and show the collision of forces and you talked in the past with eleanor hall would change feel all these influences you pioneered a lot of new techniques and want to just you know that kind of would go into the techniques could be used for a political yeah were. Thinking as you watched the technique so you may have a need to use didnt had video of other advertising well advertising is avariciously ideas that go around takes patience taking ideas a cop you know the copywriters and the visualize a seal part of the problem im going to help yeah you get all gene and yeah and then they take it up and whatever advertising the tories did it with such and such a they use montage you know with such labors and working with those sort of things but it doesnt mean that my own images can get used by them because they hope for the critique is in it so they cant be it can be misused you know its as i say in the book that one of the was i was told by a tory that she loved it and she put it had it in the live in number 10 as Queen Victorias book i dont know if its true but thats what he said. Well you know obviously everything that happens right now in british politics arguably it all whereas didnt bulleteer mean the influence of the bailout of the banks in the. 20 away tell me about the pictures of the hands in the stock market so i just wanted to make sure im very visceral its one of the things big like youre saying everybody does montage and its very smooth the way that i want to do something very rough. I mean when i show this i actually show the newspaper torn with the hand. Drawn and printed onto it and its a question who it who other hand the victims of all of these very drunks of share prices or are they that you know of of the hands of the stock market or of the Stock Brokers i mean i did i use i used to take out with some of these images in take it down to the Stock Exchange and just put them up in the street to get discussion and some stopper of his did i actually think it was a special stockbroker offer them in a game bird to get a good show and you think the anger is subsided a little known Boris Johnson Prime Minister who famously said i have done more for the bank is than anyone else and though there was a good thing to say yeah yeah. No yeah good story i mean the poverty is is incredible in this country and thats another thing we talk about whats washed up in the media if the e. U. Which is we dont argue by john pilger on this program is an agency of nature why is Nuclear Weapon so important its been borne throughout your work as your people here in Mainstream Media certainly dont even cover the try to debate a little of the threat of global annihilation why do you think its lessened in putins in the media generally began i think thats in part of the you know the media sort of needs to ties in people that they think that you know what. Theyve kept the peace so i sort of thing of the thing now with trump hes torn up the. Intermediate missile treaty tree yeah Nuclear Treaties you know theres a theoretically Cruise Missile Cruise Missiles could come back and so on these today people may not remember the protect and survive. No no and that you followed him around you know theyve done damage thats one of the things to actually remind people and of course there is now an enormous connection because they say that the american military. Is the biggest user of oil of any company in the world im doing something for. Extinction about him and they do something in october where im going to combine. Them is the arms trade and they all Oil Production is you already done projections which you could finish is this book the projections. For the office in the engine rebellion in me my feeling is that if were actually going to get anywhere now weve got to come together all these different groups with the different specialists interests of actually go to come together where i think its by doc times were in the you know rise of fascism in fascism and you know i mention a vote over that on the other hand the rebellion against it is growing you know and even in the art world theres much more questioning like of sponsorship which is something i go into and it is how have you seen that change because i could say the abstract expressionist were political yeah they were really so that we went through the eightys attach area which is in this book i presume we had art schools maybe even when you were teaching no they would have said oh dont be oh yeah thats right i dont being a real losses do you explain too much. Changing no its slowly changing is changing because the students that demand it because theyve. Well it is so different from when i was a student you know they rush in london where they live how do they pay for it so that as and took that consciousness so they started thinking about social and political issues because thats how the people do think about them through their own involvement peter cannot thank you and thats it for the show will be back on saturday 59 years to the day of the u. K. Back to military could you vote. And later assassinate the democratically elected government of Patrice Lumumba in the democratic republic of congo until that. Meter unsubscribed going underground. No there were no laws really on wall street and the abuses were huge and the market went up and people began to look at the stock market as the proxy for the economy people are getting wealthy because their stocks are going up and they do they quit their jobs they just become speculators and so this is what happened now people are saying look the economy the real economy no jobs theyve been shipped overseas and im nothing like the day trading and the market goes up therefore im being productive but it. Is a tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been only implemented for inside venezuela things are different were going to announce sanctions against. Venezuela socio. Political moment to. Get out of. The. Top of the who story isnt new Nixon Henry Kissinger to tell it would not be tolerated in latin america. 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The little self the big told fish already 90 percent of it are not any pinball in the common or. Yukon 15 scoops 75 tons and they do it several times a day with a big fleet so no you get an idea on why ocean is all. We have to understand we can all still use to just. Be with them this will be deal going through the hours. Im doing this because i want of the future world to future generations to have and enjoy the ocean we have. John says he thinks the deal with iran is possible i thought that he fired one of the most hawkish members often as white house john bolton who previously banta the u. S. Quitting the nuclear deal with iran. A morals or how to close the u. S. For the victims of the 911 terror attacks as both a virus continue to question the way the investigation has been handled. And the one made to. The geopolitical region for it. If you did good the needs of the families and family members survivors. And the u. N. 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