The story of the last 18 years ok was of the story of the last few days here my supposition is trump got cold feet because he doesnt know where its going to go and its not a political winner for him with this Foreign Policy blog not necessarily with the American People we can get into that go ahead charles whats your take. I think theres something in what you say here i dont think its as it appears certainly i think trump has had misgivings as indeed as a lot of the us we can say Foreign Policy establishment of course trump is sometimes in not sometimes outside of that circle but i think he would share some of the views that hes been strongly pressured particular of the last few days and weeks even in the media a lot especially in the media as a result of. These talks actually approaching even if it wasnt widely known that they would be approaching in this form theres concern of course that if the u. S. Does indeed strike a deal with the taliban and the u. S. Leaves that actually that will return afghanistan to taliban control and seems quite likely that would be the case but thats going to be the case whether america leaves today. If they had left 91015 years ago and so really i mean trump has got an election remember a manifesto commitment to end the u. S. War in afghanistan its lets think about some of that its cost upwards of one trillion dollars over the last 18 years actually i mean even the pentagon puts it at 760000000000. 00 its cost 2. 00 and a half 1000 u. S. Lives another 1000 Coalition Lives not with and of course not to mention of course we will mention but so many wont mention 150000. 00 afghans that have died since the u. S. Became involved and its led to a situation that at this current time the taliban is pretty much more in control of afghanistan that its been any time since 2001 and so really i mean trumps instincts i think as we often see and we often say that trumps instincts are right here but i think that possibly he has seen this attack as an opportunity to. Clarify what the american position is going to be you know. This is just delaying the inevitable ok you know we should. I think intelligently. In in 2001 go in destroy al qaeda and get out it was should have been a Police Action a crime was committed then you do a Police Action and then you would draw from it the reason why the. Us allies agreed to join this operation but i agree. With that its a big problem for trying because it was during his campaign between 2016 he was against the war in iraq and it was through. This time that you promised a victory so it didnt promise deal with taliban but its obvious that its very interesting if you look what victories does he have ok deemer and i think this is exactly what thinking is is that he didnt he didnt see with what was proposed to him i dont think it was his idea this was a proposal he didnt see a win either way going through with the deal or abandoning it ok hes looking for a better option but for the last 18 years there hasnt been very many good options except for one get out several clearwell its the longest war in American History and let me give you a precise figures even according to wikipedia 2400 American Military deaths almost 2 solid and civilian contractors killed in afghanistan this is just americans there were also or there are 9000 european allies operating in afghanistan getting killed every day almost every day you know i especially if youre doing and historians and a lot of its who went there with the soviet troops in the 8 s. Who were stupid enough to go all the 2nd time with nato and the. Reaction from the United States is just hilarious you know mike bell said there it was a success today al qaeda doesnt even amount to a shadow always for myself in afghanistan yet. It was displaced by the so called this one big stage which is even more dangerous about now we did leave it what kind of didnt last 150000 deaths crowd of 1001 so its you know its go back to charles and london charles it seems to me that trumps move is actually a sign of weakness ok because hes showing that the taliban has the initiative and they are calling the shots and theyre calling the time table his reaction you know this could last decades longer was a really a very lame reaction to it because its not a proactive approach in resolving something that he said he wants resolved so i think again weakness out of this white house go ahead charles. Yes and also in the background i think recognizes that his positions week i mean hes obviously a very transactional personality he sees it in terms of transactions as he sees so much from the security relations and he sees here that if there is a deal to be struck hes got to appear tough not withstanding that actually his position on the ground the u. S. Position on the ground is extremely weak the taliban know that the u. S. Knows that trumps knows that and so therefore pulling out of the last minute its almost as if hes saying ok you need to deliver more in other words stop these attacks on u. S. Troops and coalition and afghan troops if im going to hold a meeting with you but the problem is that of course actually its him that wants the meeting in a way more than more than that the taliban do the taliban know that they its just a matter of time before the Afghan Government force and before the or that they get a deal with the Afghan Government which is very advantageous to the taliban and they know its a matter of time before the u. S. Is going to withdraw and again will return to the steam of the time frame of events and how america sees things in very short termism short term this way not withstanding that this is now 18 years and yet the enemy for the u. S. Is prepared to sit out a much longer and ive got a much greater stake in this i mean its their country lets not forget this and the taliban of course and the other point id make very quickly here is that its being said of course yes america ive always said that america when it does leave will reframe the situation to portray it as a victory and when dave weve seen this over the last couple of days as you mentioned its been phrased as well framed as a victory over al qaida i mean key to some extent thats true but that was true in 2 but that was true in 2001 to 2002 theyve been fighting the taliban and you know. A little problem for washington. What would happen was we leave this town because look at the all the country in it was biggest turn in kalak into many. Its russian chinese influence so the. Kish there of course have not good relations with china and with russia so it means as soon as they will leave afghanistan there would have been. The sun and it also you know i mean the taliban after all this effort fighting al qaeda Islamic State the american puppet government why in the world would they want to get in bed with al qaeda again ok there is no theres a logical reason for the members of that i mean karzai yet he said that there is some basis for Islamic State in afghanistan. By the us were by the us so what they want the true the know exactly what theyre doing and that their short term is couldnt agree more well it seems to me that this is about the 2nd part of our program this is about iran they want to have a position inside about gayness i dont quote unquote keep their eyes on a red its always about iran in their region theyre ok again with what the administration is talking about their talking points in the media is reaction to it is really irrelevant to whats going on go ahead and well its irrelevant but you know the point about the Central Asian states theyre less concerned they american withdrawal than the european states than america already when russia you know if you listen to the statements from the from was because they are. You know they fear americans more than the us because they know that taliban are only strong. In every game exactly theyre not drawn in its done at the g. To stand these countries were going to be going to go to charles finish up this particular charles a im old enough to remember i wasnt very old but i was old enough to remember the fall of saigon this is what history is repeating itself here because look the trumping ministration didnt even bring in the eye. Afghan government into these negotiations ok i mean because and we had a guest on current crosslike a few days ago an afghan himself and he said what we know the government will fail almost immediately after the americans leave but that was the 18 Year Investment in afghanistan finish it off go ahead charles yes and of course what trump the us are trying to avoid. Scenes of people scrambling on tally cutters and leaving at the last minute which we saw in saigon and i try to avoid that with kabul if the Afghan Government can collapse and the taliban take over with america out of the way then america of course can say listen we invested all of this money all of this blood and treasure into afghanistan just like they said with iraq and then the afghans as they said about iraqis they let us down we gave them every chance to invest in democracy and indeed they defend america. Collapse so in other words its another issue where america is largely created the situation and then when the inevitable consequence follows then blame the local people for it and thats what im trying to do here i suspect 20 seconds go it. Couldnt agree more again to. Work with that we find a way. To use a little cup to go from the u. N. Because he was here but no one will ever be held accountable for the 5 seconds i just loved. 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Welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered im peter you were discussing some real. Ok i want to go back to charles in london lets switch gears and talk about your ram maximum pressure well thats not working very well is it ok and this is been the whole problem with the trump administrations approach specifically. With regards to iran it doesnt ever have any other options in this is was putting trump in a bind with these in a bind with baghdad is. I know by in with john not in syria bind in iran and we do there are there are there is gossip and there are some whispers that trump obviously isnt satisfied with it or let me throw it in venezuela too satisfied with whats going on he was promised all you had to do was put on the sanctions cut off the oil and the whole thing will fall apart will be regime change we all knew that wasnt going to happen trump may it seems that trump does want to make some kind of direct contact but for obvious reasons the who rain ians have no interest in talking to donald trump about anything because his policy is a failure what do you think charles yes hes trying to i think trump is trying to engineer a situation similar to what happened with korea where. He will put on maximum pressure one way or another particular course economically in the case of iran causing great suffering by all measures amongst ordinary iranian people not necessarily amongst the leadership. In an attempt to turn against the government just as hes done of course in venezuela and at the same time then think that theres going to be some caving in and then some. Big summit that he can then present himself as the peacemaker particular of course with the election coming up but the thing is that hes not in a position to be had to offer anything. Actually even reverse what he or rather what he left talents people like bolton and pence and so on has actually driven and that is that of course this is a policy that isnt driven by american interests this is a policy against iran that is overwhelmingly driven by lobbyists by the Interest Groups not of the United States but of its 2 main allies in that region which is Saudi Arabian of course israel and therefore its not in americas interest to pursue this policy particular because and i know were going to cover this im sure we will the fact that of course in the same way that american policy towards russia over the last few years has driven. Made the drive towards better relations with china and russia. So thats happening now with iran and of course the statistics we dont have sound and so on true got that trump has chosen to place or play this game in a way with all of the powers that all the same time been perhaps a bit more tactical he would have taken on iran 1st and then look to tackle china in the way that he wants to but no hes decided actually im going to take on the whole world at the same time so much so hes even apart from the u. K. Of course the good old faithful u. K. Hes alienated even most of his european allies as well in the process and so america now a moment largely because of iran stands as isolated as it stood in many many years in the past you know. Over the last few days there were high level chinese officials visiting turn around talking about investment buying oil ignoring the american. Threats here i mean just like it is charles said you know when by alienating russia for so long russia is moved looked towards east to china and now the iranians say we have partners see the trumpet ministration and the american Foreign Policy establishment in general cant conceive that iran could have friends actually has a lot of friends in the region and in further afield and you know it was the motive is this thing is that the tension to washington put on iran and on live in a sort of. Gave a 1000000000 profit. Of the same moment so in my opinion there isnt as i pointed out i think that trump wanted to destroy the only diplomatic success of obama. For him and its important if you know what i mean psychologically i think years and years and i wont be surprised if maybe in one year. Before the election it would be the same agreement between you its a good agreement this time with iran so thats what i hold because as you said. Actually there are some figures the detainees are ready to invest 250000000000 on the. Dont care about the washington sanctions. Will remind our viewers here that the same ssion regime at least in the United States its slightly different than europe but once you put sanctions on they almost never go away i mean 8 and actually congress mandates that it ties the hand of the president even if you wanted to do that and so no one again i you know why why should the reigning in speak to the americans now they have nothing to offer there is not a week without any threat of sanctions of your sanctions against any country in the world so. Used to that in the know how to react to to cooperate together to know when what theyre doing is the u. S. Is devaluing its own currency the dollar in the process going well i agree with salvia that obviously trumps polisher towards iran was a also about undoing what they only would think that obama did but despite all of that trump is the 1st president in 30 years not to have started a war during his 1st term so far so far for ok so it just shows you its not because trump of such a nice person is because there is a quarrel there is a call flicked between him and the chorus and between various factions in the u. S. Administration so is this the reason why the new war has not started but. Trump. Show us some of his supporters here towards iraq he said about afghanistan if we wanted to fight a war in afghanistan and win it i could win that war in a week i just dont want to kill 10000000 people and wipe them off the face of the us and after that they criticized the reunion leadership for irresponsible statements about destroying the state of israel isnt that a much more rabid. You know and trump just said that in passing you know in june this year almost no one noticed and what a lot of people. I dont think people get 0 and want to mention whats paid to any stupid statement from mark my dinners or you know when he threatened israel basically oh yeah well did that mean that miss translation. Is interesting is that against israel is very much of a crucial statement that the United States will bury you its an ideological inertia from that time so that iranian revolution very few actually and no one believes that iran because iran is the weaker in this. Possible confrontation with these well its protecting its own here gentlemen i want to talk about another topic before we leave and go back to charles we had a Prisoner Exchange with russia and ukraine with the new president s island skin ukraine what is that significance is it a putting a marker down to move forward or is it just kind of like putting a flag up the pole and see if anybody salutes go ahead charles. Thats a good way to put it peter of course its possible in a way to be both. What weve got is a situation here i think where again weve often seen in the past not just in ukraine but in other areas careers are perhaps an example of this where once the big powers stay out of things where all the or the west particularly lets say for example when we had the minsk agreements that was largely done the behest of Russia Ukraine france and germany they excluded for example the u. K. And the u. S. From those negotiations and from that process and a Peace Agreement or cease fire not perfect but one was able to be achieved and weve got a similar situation here where russia and ukraine together have got their differences put aside on this particular issue and have produced some progress which is sunnys producing humanitarian progress i suspect both sides will use this as. A negotiation point they will pretend that they are going to make further concessions but i think both sides particular with the new ukraine process president after hes got a election commitment to this want to put the ukraine situation to bed and resolve it one way or another of course that isnt necessarily what many countries in the west want and some of the Interest Groups within those and were talking about the u. S. For example where there are so many Interest Groups that want to stoke this conflict the arms industry and so on to constantly present russia as a threat and its significant i tell you whats really significant i think they use the fact that ukraine one of those people that ukraine sent back to russia the prisoner swap was somebody that the west particularly holland britain america had almost begged ukraine not to send in other words that person that was wanted in connection with the team down of m. H. 17 hours is right and its interesting that all the early groups object to this progress in relations between russia and ukraine where 40 european politicians who urged the president not. This guy who is accused of being complicit in the union m. H. 17 for russia well 1st. He was not complicit because if he had been the ukrainians would have meant he would be their own witness 2nd he was an old man kidnapped. You know he was good given an injection and kidnapped by the Ukrainian Special forces from his home and then yes he walked. A physical exercise teacher but what is even more important for us russians besides this exchange the other Important News is that america is not given 250000000. 00 water of military equipment to create every dollar of that equipment can kill a ukrainian or a russian citizen any moment so who is objecting to it you know with the prisoner swap it was the europeans but its now we have basically the washington possed question this decision by trump not with great money and saying that 1st mr trump is catering to mr putin and 2nd if youre right. Then the way gender hes attempting to force me to intervene in that 2020 us president ial election by the launch in any investigation of the leading democrat that created it joe biden broadly is their job biden is involved in corruption in ukraine he has became a billionaire or gas deals in ukraine when mr by that was ordered to be there look at the general we know the steel dossier came from you exactly right you know its about time that youre 40 seconds ago it was really interesting the way. Talk about to putin it was like a partner we agree were meant to know agreement we we promised we did it pronouns were important there yes. I mean. I think its a new step no lets see what would happen because there is. A list. For instance of a minister of interior it could be dangerous but. Im satisfied i can tell when i go like we do everything starts with one step. Put it its its a its a its a really good news in my opinion and. On the russian side on the inside everybody wants such a side and we should work out what our plans. Hold is probably. He was elected by almost 75. People never heard in this program on a positive note but we did with you thanks for your time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. C. Unix time and remember. You know world big partners the lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now were watching closely watching the hawks. 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