House of lords have not been elected they are appointed minister and. So the house of commons her cheese and all stance on it being undemocratic i say this to them when they took their seats in the commons they swore an oath of allegiance to the queen well excuse me the heads of the british states the queen has not been elected so this arguments that Boris Johnson is acting in an undemocratic way can be turned on the very people who are choosing it will be an unsettling and secondly Clinton Glenn i mean one also i mean again irrespective of you like Boris Johnsons tactics i will even agree there a bit devious ok but its within the bounds of law and tradition here and more and its as marcus by quite correctly pointed out his claim to scalps Prime Ministers Boris Johnson now is and i think hes saying the people voted for breaks and im here to employ. Amend it because the last 2 were not were unable or unwilling to do it and he is doing the peoples will ok has nothing to do with circumventing democracy no well they are claiming that this does not have the time anything to do with bricks and i dont believe so i do think it is the medias come out of politics is that only the most you know devious ok i think thats fair no but it is a good question whether or not the democratic because what is effectively doing now is the sidelining of parliament because the parliament is trying to undermine or reverse a referendum so the same parliament couldnt decide on how to move forward and know of enough of this argument i mean they cant move it forward ok weve proven that to astoria so may i wonder if shes out with Hillary Clinton in the in the woods taking a walk or something has to be done and go and i think thats where this problem is always have the same root as the people voted for bricks however parliament was overwhelmingly remain so this is where mark is correct this britain is a parliamentary democracy that is usually sovereignty rests with Parliament However in a referendum you hand over sovereignty to the people you allow them to make this edition but when they made the wrong decision the parliament decided to take it back to take back control so it will take for that you have to recognise a bit controversial to take back that Decision Making and walked or stones and i was trying to essentially cut off parliament because theyre trying to. Well he overturned a member of the parliament had its chance to Prime Ministers had their chance well i think this is just a travesty when people vote at the referendum 3 years bost and nothing has been done and then in order to feel the will of the people to feel that referendum the parliament has been suspended so i just had a look before coming here and there were quite an article by Boris Johnson for the telegraph that he pound on. June the 30th this year object into putins criticism of liberalism and their article is kind of the line will prove why i didnt put in a wrong by leaving the you by october 31st i think according to the news the telegraph should define this line yes we will prove what you are putting a right by suspending the parliament until october the 14th and just a mom called from this article from Boris Johnson ovadia mueller but there are some countries where capitalism is believed to be in the hands of order and very few who were doing this ive been short and liberal values i do write it but i cant respond to that that there is a country where referendums are not full field where the 4 year or so the destiny of not fulfill 20 years where the destiny of the general elected parliament is in the hands by the general who hoped and were actively draw of this ive been handed ive been actually it turns for preseason from Foreign Embassy its where they take the future then they go the others into that article ok let me go back to marcus one of the interesting things there is there is still time i guess theres some part in total about 5 sitting days for parliament to actually do something to react legally i mean either they have to get a new new law or a new government both are very unlikely here the interesting thing is is how is brussels particularly the germans reacting to this because they have believed all along that theyd be as either a 2nd referendum or the article 50 would be revolved ok but now they have to sit up straight and listen to Boris Johnson because hes putting it out there a deal is still possible though its rather unlikely but its incumbent upon the europeans now to face up to the tactic as theyve been using is not coming to fruition and its not going to work out the way they want it what about this european angle go ahead marcus. Well i am no friends to the European Union me neither have fair but i have to be fair there is nothing else the European Union can do the European Union and so hes a mate put together for a withdrawal agreements it wasnt Great Britain wasnt bad it was ok and british industry and British Business sense so there is nothing else that rustles can do the ball is firmly in the cold all of london out boyish johnsons survival as Prime Minister depends solely on delivering breaths it by on the 31st of october he will script it he was propelled to power by the brits if he is in the conservative party if he does not deliver grex it then they will bring him down so i cannot save how bush johnson will secure a deal with the European Union it is now more than likely that britain will exit the European Union is no deal the main issue is the irish backs up back out now now he is not going to give any more concessions on that i understand that but boys johnson is not going to give any concessions or one of the races is because if he gave a concession on the irish backstop then he risks losing the support of the day he paid in the commons and added one way one way the opposition could bring down the conservative government or starts it is holding up well its of no consequence because as it stands now the government would win because thats handed the pm pays well i want to see what i want to say with the european angle here glenn but even what do you think the possibilities are because i think there is a you know theres a little bit of room there yeah down on this point i would disagree slightly with marcus because i dont think the backs of the them. Theresa may was particularly good so i thought it was more than 3 times for good reason for good reasons and part of the reason this once britain said ok well take no deal of the table and parliament affectively commit itself to were going to block it no matter what that sent a very clear signal to the e. U. Which is you know now its either we can either give them a deal an awful deal or no deal or not necessarily often they want a deal that works more in the use favor so obviously in berlin and brussels now they have the impression you know brics its not going to go through at least no deal because parliament will find a way to stop it so i think once theyve miscalculated well you know they didnt you know. But im not sure at all so i think. Theyre panicking a bit more now than seems that this is the language here is sort of the more willing to try to find some compromise but where i would agree with marcus of course is that the u. S. Has boxed itself in a little bit as well because theyve been insisting that there is no way to compromise over ireland or there can be in the company other deal in this century they only if theres going to be a deal may go to him if there is going to be a deal i say the ball is in the European Court right well i think its again chicken coming home to roost you know the e. U. Has been using brutal tempted with so many countries until now and it always worked out so theyre so used to not having a compromise that it would be the 1st time in many years of the other guy to blink exactly and thats what the 0 writes in their comment they write that the e. U. Kind of got so used to having the other side blinking 1st that theyre simply unable to compromise maybe johnsons brutal strategy may. Be making the europeans and over the variance again. It is for the u. K. To play their bread should be all that terrible. Bill in return for a trade arrangement well basically you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of the situation before the ukrainian civil war how it was basically brought to the point of civil war by the new because the whole problem was on that note they were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news staying with our. Ready ready ready ready i am sure need to stop at the continuing to grow. I just never know very good about the idea of bringing children into the world because i didnt feel like things were in very good shape that a life was just going to be a lot of software program. That. Theres no reason the more. You take things that are to me the. Movie is a myth Something Else that we need to get rid of some of everybodys scared to talk about it certifiable is really dependent on us addressing this issue and if we can even talk about it every chance even have a conversation or that it is then. Were in trouble ready. You know world of big part of the lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the path and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now were watching closely watching the hawks. Dream agreed to pretty much all must remember that it was most of the family were people injured. It wasnt it was bad you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hopefulness there isnt today todays america where shade by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. Reduced democracy attack solo down engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to. One set of rules for the rich. Thats what happens when you put her into the. Narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power virtue of just as youd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. Welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real names. Ok glenn in my introduction of the start of the program i talked about the saga of brags that now we have the saga of russia get what is with russia gate and now because we have the report no collusion ok we but it still has a life of its own and it doesnt seem to be going away what accounts for that was the question also it much like rex at thats been going on now for almost 3 years. It doesnt seem to go away even after the mole or pretty much disappeared from the news keep in mind he was the hero of the resistance he was you know the one whos going to bring trouble everyone in handcuffs and now we see this isnt really panning out there now he suddenly. He disappeared so why are they Still Holding on to it i think because its been almost 3 years now and the decided to completely go after trump didnt challenge its policies he said there and thats their biggest mistake they just went after him and what was the main thing or well hes an agent of the kremlin now. So effective it will have to go against the resistance focused on him being a russian i just wrote this fall in line everyone has bought into this the problem is were not tough enough on russia you cant sit down with them so essentially criminalizing diplomacy and now they all again they will put himself in this one position even though it turns out all of the story was a flop how do you reverse 3 years ago this month and so i have said that on this program so many times we go to markets is that you know when you sometimes its impossible to take back words that you say because you said with such force and you just dont want to admit that you were wrong i mean the interesting thing here is that you you have jim comi the former f. B. I. Director essential given a slap on the wrist and his. Associates around him may not be as lucky because we have more investigation into the investigators but the remarkable thing is is that you have the assistant director of the f. B. I. And you make a hes under investigation but now hes a contributor at c. N. N. But you know James Clapper is others are our contributors with the Mainstream Media i mean they continue want to continue to want to control the narrative in a fact free environment go ahead marcus. Well hostility towards russia suspicion off russia racism towards russians hasnt been going on for free its its been going on in the west for hundreds hundreds here that if you have a look at hand sought which records all the discussions in the house of commons in the house and in the house of lords if you go back to the 1600s to the 17 and its the 1800s its almost identical to the language thats coming out from westminster today about russia indeed if you go back to america and see what was being said about soviet russia in the 1920 s. And ninetys 1st season in the nonsecure states in the one 960. 00 s. Once again its almost identical to whats coming out of americans a day concert in russia now to go to George Bush Jr barack obama and donald trump with those 3 individuals sincere when they say they wanted to improve relations we dont know we really dont know but what we do know is this that today in 2019 because of let the mere coincidence lead ship with russia is a certain a power game gusher is a resurgence force and americans know in washington that russia is not just the only country capable in the wells of literally destroying america but and russia is capable of limits in an american expansionism or defeat an american aggression therefore what we have seen in the last few years is just simply a continuation of great power riflery between america and russia and remember american generals and the hopes of support and be the conservatives on the liberals on capitol hill they need an enemy in order to get up just like that the friends budget you know what its just like a place in one place or the number of hours ago infants or concerts or back to country today. Yes lets just. Then. But i think i think there is also another element here demon is that this is a form of projection everything that they say russia is doing in the world they are doing the misnomer and i think that thats the its the inability to any kind of self reflection i mean we saw this with the political classes in the media as a result of the 2016 election president ial brags it will go to mars also in the u. K. I mean this is just a glorified form of projection marcus is absolutely right it justifies the Defense Budget so theres a material end of it but theres a theres a deep psychological thing because you project all of the negative things that you were doing under someone else absolutely. I think now its march towards the end in the 19th century or even during that time so because all the differences in the great theres a you know we have to define our terms great power politics you know thats up time in memoriam now in but now its being beyond what ideological ideology being weaponized because of the star and one of the great powers namely the states and the you to believe that they represent a very progressive for your dear that is destined to win that has proven itself to be better than anything ive seen before theyre basically acting like the soviet union you know youre in their early 20th century and then followed their enduring legacy of russia just days ago again. In the guardian russian how to target toward a day again in 2000 claim to be and i was xander you find out about it and you know what is interesting is that there is a brand and santa for justice which is provider which is iranian and election reform at the state and here is a quote from one of their experts or be afforded it will be a critical state in 2020 and 40 Election Officials should assume they will be targeted to gain. Said larry norden who professionally runs this Election Reform Program but our viewers there is no evidence that was a need meddling absolute russian mentally and florida election 2000 austine i would i would i would refer our listeners our viewers to just a great conversation between Glenn Greenwald and our own martin on you tube the great its always a great zone gray zone and in that you know that is headlined very rightly rashi gate skeptics are vindicated but conspiracy theorists on russia gate are reward it let me remind our listeners that the New York Times about 2 Pulitzer Prizes for something that actually write in a bold can be doing trump and russia something that the military well you know exist our viewers should take a look at a google ad about the you know the right answer talking editorial just one fact just one interesting fact in this conversation between greenwald and our own mark there 15 former u. S. Intelligence officials are now working as analysts at c. N. N. And ice and b c not only James Clapper who rightly said is now hired by c. N. N. Also also will. Keep all sort of you know talking about previous experiences Jeffrey Goldberg who was very important in spreading of the law that led to the iraq war about weapons of mass destruction he is now read 3 knobs on the most important issue remember. So these people there is complete impunity these people who are who basically perjured themselves like James Burgett before the congress they gave him a position in the debate that goes back to my introduction this is 2 tiered Justice System here because you know we we we have someone like jim comey for now off the hook but the new. Papadopoulos in union you have. Mr stone roger stone i mean it seems to be i mean what would be equitable when this is also. When done if theres any kind of ending is it gives trump should give immunity to all these people give a pardon to everyone and get this behind us. I think a triumph or. 2 and it goes into the election because its so many. Weaknesses there which they wish the democrats build so much of their legitimacy on so i think one key consequence of this will be they might as well be handing 4 more years. By following this strategy they. Have to be its the deep state its hollywood it was academia the media they elected donald trump in 2016 by insulting half of the electorate ok and theyre doing it again and again in fact it was a very good point i think another guard in the article came out a week or 2 ago its just the. Proposal to buy greenland put in have put him up to it to get the distance in the guardian and of course the needless to say theres no evidence there but even more important there was no logic in there like why in the earth would the reporting want donald trump to buggery that i was wrong to the smallest and then walsh Important Role this week that it was. There that helped build he is inadequate well if youre going to go back to the earlier time to go back there if you go back to marcus in london i mean this has a life of its own and it seems to be part of the genetic code of many parts of the political left right now it just it is gospel right now because it unifies their side ok its a very important element to keep their side of the aisle intact because you all have to be anti russian that keeps them unified its a unifying element unfortunately markets go ahead. Paisa as long as. The mains the country it is today an independent sovereign one which will battle down to america then these accusations coming out of washington will continue goats for bait. Ever has laid a lot Mikhail Gorbachev or Boris Yeltsin and then the accusations will stop but very quickly the soviet union was a russian states and remains the most powerful russian state in history and secondly its all good but its worse today whats coming out of america and structure than it ever was was untenable youre forgetting mccarthyism youre forgetting this is not here lets it really is a continuation of ingrained hostility yeah and the incident did thats very much part of the d. N. A. The political d. N. A. Of how that can be can be its very interesting here you know i think you know very quick you know in the conversation by greenwald and mark today they wrote that with basically weakness in a repeat of the cold war when no one is allowed to advocate for better relations with russia or for field being accused an apologist for russia or russian agent but they would say that before it was their prerogative what conservatives accusing the democrats and the liberal side of the Russian Movement split now it leapt it completely and that just a small margin you know it would give us some seconds to go and go now also so being a bit of an optimist i thought maybe a good russia good could have maybe changed the narrative between us not because they learn from their mistakes but whether other yes its true that russia has kind of been the other now for centuries however theres a new development which hasnt been around for centuries and thus the rise of china and obviously seems that america is waking up to the fact that china will be their main rival Going Forward so in lieu of that i thought maybe you know i would start to really think that glenn thats why youre an academic because you think logically incoherent is my curse you would expect that from politicians all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d. 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