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Of a conspiracy going up in todays going underground the 1st time revolutionary would have turned 91 yesterday of u. S. Authorities had not conspired to kill him the iconic portrayed of him taken amidst the cuban revolution continues to fly on flags around the world where there are those who fight imperialism the leader of britains Labor Party Jeremy Corbyn was inspired by bush and his comrade in arms Fidel Castro Castro has been such a huge figure in our lives i remember the news that 959 the day that he marched into. Marshall the earth and Sierra Maestra in the war there to bring about the cuban revolution i remember the cuban missile crisis and all the fear that was going on there but is donald trump forging a new crisis because while britain and the e. U. Have relations with cuba the u. S. Appears to continue to be afraid of 60 years of cuban independence Job Administration is imposing new restrictions on u. S. Travel to cuba in a statement the Treasury Department says that the u. S. Would no longer allow Group Educational and cultural trips known as people to people travel the u. S. Government will also deny permission for private and corporate travelers to enter the country but unlike cuba washingtons defacto proxy latin and Central American nations are known all around the world for drugs notably cocaine now featuring probably amidst the u. K. s conservative contest to be britains next Prime Minister joining me now is physicians an Award Winning author of in the realm of hungry ghosts Close Encounters with addiction doctor government thanks so much for coming on the show so i know youre in london for the 2 Year Anniversary of this catastrophe graham failure speaking here in the. Today downing street how how could a catastrophe like granville affect generations of people you know that have been ground and all the other has been discovered about the government neglect the ignoring of warning signs just a sheer it sheer disregard for the lives of ordinary people and thats compared to say the government reaction to a terrorist attack. You know which is a bigger threat to the population when you look at what happens in britain an example legrand fall or say the number of people have died because of austerity over 130000 people a last number of years according to a recent report and then you look at the mobilization of outrage and resource and energy against a threat like there isnt much is not even an infant this emote percentage of the actual threat to peoples lives and conditions right here that are causing deaths like happen in granville then you can see how traumatic that is for people who are affected by it because they perceive themselves as not being cared about and as being not seen as valid human beings and thats the most painful experience is not to be seen and not to be validated and not to be supported and so it wasnt just a disaster in its own terms which was bad enough it was a disaster in terms of the. Enormity of warning signs and the absolutely heartless response of the government after it happened. Its interesting you immediately mention says you can only get indicate is this program was attacked in the london times for introducing cold sets of clubs with respect to what was actually had an accident as can sit for us by the authorities had that accident happened in Buckingham Palace or somewhere else here years of london lets see what the response would have been nothing is free of class bias in a class Ridden Society and disasters fall disproportionately the impact of austerity for example does not hit the upper class the way it hits people in the lower rungs of this social ladder so it Warren Buffett said theres a class war and weve won. You know he was one of these very conscious. Wealthy people who knows what that she going on is that you know of course theres a class war so you didnt create class or you. Just talk about it but you know its a poster i know in this book you mention it as well theres generational pain that arises from events like this just as the ground for the event was dramatic and it was preceded by trauma and followed by trauma. In the same way addiction and much of human dysfunction is based on traumatic experiences which are passed on almost unwittingly from one generation to the next so the trauma of each generation will affect the development and distort the development of the next generation and this happens not because people are meaning to pass on their trauma but because of you unwittingly do so for example this is even so physiologically not just ecologically so they the grandchildren of Holocaust Survivors still have high levels of stress from you away and i am one of them and im not just a grandchild of survivors on a survivor personally as an infant and i know that i passed my time on to my children and i didnt mean to so this is what happens so rather than blaming individuals or or parents or any particular generation we need to look at what social structures support or inhibit the healing of trauma so to get on dealing a bit later with the news here in this country is all about whos going to be next Prime Minister amongst different tory candidates who will up bodge of that austerity Economic Policy what do you make of the fact that holding its drugs became an issue not in the sense of your book particularly but in the sense of the patented book or see of the war on drugs drugs for us its a Boris Johnson and other candidates for so theres no more and theres no war on drugs you cant make war on in that 100 objects youre going to be at war human beings and the war on drugs is actually. The most traumatized segment of the population because i show in my book as research. Irrefutably and into a bit of the shows the people who are most prone to drug addiction in a piece of people who are most traumatized and so that. Their response to that trauma is to try and escape from the trauma by using drugs and now were punishing them for having been traumatized in the 1st place and then me quite arbitrarily say that its ok for yourself to kill yourself with alcohol but you cant do it with heroin chilling with all you know astonishing fact with your readers may or your listeners may find it incredible but its true give me a 1000 people who drink heavily or smoke heavily compared to a 1000 people who inject their 14 times a day as long as they dont overdose and 20 years later many more of the heroin users will be alive and healthy then the smokers and the drinkers so what we criminalize and what we really arbitrary and it has to do with prejudice rather than science or medical fact and to be gay were not going to go to it but you mention that heroin crack could game that crystal meth head look addictive push say it is the trauma that allows them to be addictive its like saying is the alcohol addictive yes or no or a shopping addict it was eating addictive yes or no and the answer is yes or no thats the actual answer because somebody can drink many people can and never become addicted people who were shopping and not become shopping addicts people can eat and not become eating addicts but if theyre traumatized and if trauma is distorted their brain chemistry and has given them so much emotional pain that it requires soothing then they would become addicted so its not the drug with the behavior or the substance that creates the addiction its the combination of a person whos been traumatized who then needs to find some ways of escaping and people find for example by seeking political power so Political Parties highly addictive as we can see in any politician who would try to pry that weight tripod type of pry a politician away from their power. Even under the most ridiculous circumstances they cant do it theyre addicted to it and their addition to power comes at a great cost to a lot of people sometimes and theyre ruthless about it and so then they condemn the drug addict and its a kind of. Blindness to the nature of addiction but instead he was laid back because Boris Johnson had previously been on the record to say saying to gangs sokol to get things in them to go straight or go to jail yeah and there he was admitting it seems to be taking it so it is a double when we all get i would say to beer bores johnson is public you explain why so many young people and jobless and without meaning and purpose and allies would be the privatization and austerity policies and margaret thatchers denial that theres even a society that people are all on their own loss of community so theres so much loneliness of. Validation in this society do you think that is going to do with people using drugs of course and if thats the case instead of threatening and attacking people looking at the conditions that you were helping to create that drive that addictive behavior in part of people so thats if you want to if youre genuine about want to fight addiction public looking at the conditions that spawn addiction they would be quick to say drug addiction has always been that addiction has always been well yeah as long as theres severe liberalism that causes well thats not true for example there was use that was used to be drinking but there was no obvious alcoholism if you look at british history for example ill cause them in a big way comes across in the 17th century gin craze with industry as a shit when you kick people off their lands and opposing of the commons the village commons and the forcing of people into these souls factories is dark say to a nickname. William blake put it thats when i cause im really begins to take off and so is my brilliant vancouver friend and call the psychologist bruce xander shows. Addiction on a large scale happens when his social dislocation if you look at russia for example now alcoholism is always often been a problem russia since there are still czars times but after the collapse of the soviet regime and the privatization and the near liberalization of the economy the rise of the oligarchs and the loss of peoples jobs and security autism rates go up in russia and the the longevity of males actually falls which is whats just happened to the longevity of males in United States as well also due to substances so these are the broad social economic questions and thats what dr addictive behaviors and not the fault of particular individuals ok what i do know is a tragic irony but the middle classes have their own crisis be the Opioid Crisis how can we in the real before he goes eliminate whats going on lead double trouble as gold in that National Emergency well he he didnt personally call it that but his advisors medical advice is there and theyve called it a National Emergency but theyre not behaving like it was a National Emergency because again it was a terrorist threat. Even 2 people being killed in new york city which should not happen and its dreadful when it does but that would actually lead to mobilization of all kinds of resources that are not being mobilized to fight the. Drug scourge and furthermore if people were really intent on. Doing away with addiction they would look at the causes of it. And you know you know you just you know that the United States right now every 3 weeks as many die of overdoses as died in 911 every 3 weeks they have a 911 happened but theyre not changing their policies theyre not stopping the socalled war on drugs which is which feeds into fuels addiction rather than diminishing and theyre not stopping the punitive approach is theyre not emptying the jails theyre not putting poor people into rehab theyre not putting money into prevention its they can call an emergency but theyre not acting like it was an emergency to go to ask you just finally about Julian Assange because of the special repertoire and torture for the United Nations has claimed that hes been tortured by the u. S. Swedish ecuadorian and British Governments what do you make of this reaction to whistleblowing obviously has. Revealed to us the d. N. C. Leaks about sabotaging body so does. That alone will close so when you actually have the question which is a bigger threat to democracy the fact that the Democratic National leadership deliberately disenfranchised a leading candidate is that the bigger threat or is the threat that somebody revealed the news that this happened which is the actual threat to democracy that in one of the major parties undemocratically tried to squash one of its own a very popular candidates and did so successfully. Or is the threat that somebody who found out about it made this over a little to Public Awareness so songes guilty of telling the truth no you may like him as a personality you may find them as some are troubling personality as i do in some ways but in terms of what hes done hes done provided nothing but Public Service because the truth never threatens anybody but those people who are afraid of the truth and those people are punishing him big time to go ballistic thank you my pleasure thank you after the break the man who kicked the f. B. I. Out of iceland tells us why he supports torture publish julian a son is held prisoner in southeast london polis immokalee overbought youre going underground. Why a paradise with some up all around turned into a round experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major here tens theres no question otherwise why would that the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments but often in day you have many of these people who have one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. Welcome back before yesterdays extradition hearing the tortured wiki leaks publisher Julian Assange is going underground and ahmed went to belmarsh prison in South East London to speak to Julian Assange just father john shipton this is what he had to say it was a very emotional for you to see julian awful so yeah its quid pro quo moving speech graphics really recently the last couple of months since august arrest has been growing public support is stupid oh well the publics. Yes we. Hes been made aware. That here and its quite. Hot we particularly is. So the work Washington Post had a positive view of the tory when the didnt have a positive attitude toward. The 2 newspapers that if you sit in nothing good about julian for years. And on that note do you think that this sudden change into the Mainstream Media is due to the fact that since youre going to be like its being sold off of i want to ask an object you think these newspapers are finally realizing julians freedoms that its yes. Its a bit light but welcome aboard get things. Right and just finally Julian Sparrow of course thats been the fame for years is this spirit still is spirit still strong and his determination to fight is you know like he chose me to do this do that you know or when i was this sort of thing to do im here. And so the spirit is stroking through all stupid a weight of a 20 pound 10 kilos. Which is not Good Good Good stuff it was you know i just want you think that the u. S. And u. K. Are they making direct intervention to the Legal Process oh the year we do you has constantly than the crown prosecuting her. Constantly interfered with the process of the Swedish Prosecuting Authority interviewing julian in the embassy for the last 7 years in 2013 the Swedish Prosecuting Authority wrote to the Crown Prosecution Service saying that we want to we want to drop these cases the Crown Prosecuting Service under. So this is a poor close wrote back saying in this is kind of you know getting cold feet this case is about more than simple extradition. Things like so they had to supply all the way in making sure that julian would never get out of that embassy well joining me now is the senior icelandic politician who defended wiki leaks as interior minister kicking out the f. B. I. For an alleged conspiracy against wiki leaks you know us and joins me now i want to welcome to going underground so why do you believe britain cant trust the Justice System of britains closest ally the usa when it comes to justice and Julian Assange i would rephrase the question and ask can we trust the british Justice System and in a way the british system system is on trial in this case now the foreign secretary of britain said that on the day Julian Assange this was arrested. That nobody should stand above the law and i agree with that statement as long as the rule of law prevents now there are to procreate conditions for this in the 1st place is that we have a Justice System which is impartial and fair and to be trusted and secondly the misdeeds not to speak of crimes committed by. States or individuals are brought into the public eye and this case is not simply about judy and the sounds we can leaks its about the freedom of the press its about democracy the British Government has been telling china and medicare about democracy in Hong Kong Jeremy hunt and now a contender of course to be the next Prime Minister along with the resume they referred to it isnt just someone whos basically facing sex crime allegations and nothing to do with the big ideas you seem to be suggesting well i dont believe in that i dont believe in that in fact i would mention one other you mention china and you mention the british politicians i would like to mention pump by pumping all the foreign secretary of the United States he said or we could leaks that it was a nongovernment Intelligence Service and it should be targeted it should be taken down it was it was a Priority Task to do that and then i ask who is speaking hes speaking for the Us Government who was found to be spying not only on medical the chancellor of germany but on the entire population in europe so theres a lot of contradictions contradictory hypocrisy here and the u. N. Secretary general but you have a background of this a back story on it because i understand the f. B. I. When you were interior minister in iceland they came to iceland regarding this case this kind for testify this polish the statement made by pump is not new its not a new policy but because theyve been working on this for 4 years in 2011 the f. B. I. Sent a plane load of. Investigators and prosecutors to read every week without permission without permission which is now. We did when police work is to take place in another country or if a corporation is going to take place they had no such speculation but they came in a way to frame julian and we could exist and i have information from within the Icelandic Administration that this was the case so its not a question of a room in iceland i dont understand frame him International Body i mean this is this is a whole big conspiracy so to speak i did feel like is here even if he did we learn of this information that a plane of f. B. I. People could land in reykjavik. That can be just by my reaction which was to tell them that no such work would take place without proper. License is a negotiated settlement on to the top 2 that they could effect they were asked to leave you kick them out. They were requested to leave its a question of the role of whistleblowers. Whether we should break their whistles. Or allow the authorities to break their whistles we should stand for those who are or were blowing the whistle to not break them and you give credence to the un special rapporteur on torture and it has been on this program because the you mention jeremy hunt the british politicians in government. And they dont accept neils melt geishas that hes being tortured right now in london well i havent read the report in detail its not out but next to a lesser extent to the governor thats right yes and its to be taken very very seriously and he is saying that. Seldom has he experienced so its treatment of one individual and this is something to be taken very very seriously in 20 years i guess some people might know all of wiki leaks his contribution to our understanding of the socalled war on terror i understand you also recognize wiki leaks for its usefulness in allowing us to see complex trade negotiations like t. To see china and peace or another when the guts negotiations broke down and the 50 richest nations or the world the European Union with all of their members speaking in one voice as they always do in the book i think money. And. What just over 20 states. Under the name of tisa trade and Services Agreement these were secret supposed to be secret until we can leaks reveal to the world what was taking place now this was accepted by the entire world and again when the videos from iraq and i was going to use them were reviewed. Press the press throughout the world became complicit indeed because they took this material and showed it. To them and its an obligation that they stand for the provider of this information well the guardian we could exist previous partners now repeatedly going back on the sex crime allegations rather than. Him to be a prisoner of conscience and Amnesty International isnt recognize him as a prisoner of conscience just put on that trade agreement thats important because our Health Service is social care in every aspect of us exist he was being negotiated in secret and we would have understood we thought it was the same thing with guts guts which was under the auspices of the w. T. Or was in secret in the beginning until it was the guardian or its in really read. The content of those negotiations now these negotiations the door round eventually broke down in the early yes so they censored it and then as i said there its nations tried for a new start and as you say its a question about basic services if you are letting International Business take away or thresholds all democratic thresholds for pushing their interests. And so its a. Democratic process we are defending and just finally he insulted by the secretary general of nato was in reykjavik what exactly is icelands relationship with the nature of my comp a. O. Former cia head and secretary of state said the arctic is of crucial importance. Presumably he means in another kind of cold war literally cold war cold world iceland has always been seen to have a strategic position iceland has been part of nato since 1049. In or out for its 50th anniversary around the turn of the century nato starts to change in nature and this is something to be taken very seriously instead of the emphasis on the part of the type that would says an attack on one is an attack on or we now have a new interpretation which is a threat to one is a threat to war now who is likely to be most threatened in the world the big powers those who are seeking control of role materials etc United States britain this makes smaller states like iceland. Dependent on who leads these states and on both premises these states are let so do we want to go further under their wings soft on the important pale show of this world who are dominating middle i say no what do you make of michael bale revelations in the Washington Post that suggest he wanted to take down the leader of britains opposition generally cool been before he became Prime Minister yes i really thought the report in the in the by the Washington Post and again i ask if people dont know going to listen to this if people are not going to take this seriously and react to it and press. Home piro to undersell for this then we are and i very badly but we are not in about 2 or 3 in the sense that the world is waking up to the importance of showing solidarity with whistleblowers with with with free press with a transparent the source so thats a positive trend. 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