Below again welcome to cross talk were all Things ConsideredPeter Lavelle describing the Trump Administrations iran policy is confusing contradictory and even incoherent would be an understatement as members of his administration beat the drums of war the president suddenly inject themselves into the conversation with words to the contrary what is the world to think. Cross talking in iran im joined by my guest Mohammad Marandi and he is a professor at the university of tehran in beirut. Become ill was me he is a professor and political analyst and in florida we cross to robert rebel he is a professor of Political Science at Florida Atlantic university all right gentlemen crossed rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mohamed let me go to you 1st and to ron give me your side or how irans sees this whole thing playing out because irans point of view is virtually silent in western media so western audiences dont know the other side of this story or i would put it a artificially generated impending complex go ahead mohamed. The most important thing in this story is that the United States is waging Economic Warfare against iranian women and children the United States is accessorizing what our foreign minister said Economic Economic terrorism and that they are trying to make the iranian people suffer and to force the iranian people to suffer so much that the government will submit to the United States and basically raise the white flag and this is based in my opinion on calculations that are due to these socalled iran experts that we so i call the see in think tanks in the United States in europe and pundits yes exactly they are people who know nothing about iran or very little about iran or if they do know a thing or 2 about the country they really cant say the truth because if they do then they lose their position at their think tanks or their theyve ceased to be invited to different organizations or platforms so this is Economic Warfare everything that comes after it is the foundation of that is is this Economic Warfare so the heightened tension in the region in the persian gulf in the strait of hormuz in the sea of oman of the gulf of oman is based upon this Economic Warfare now there are conflicting. Perspectives or conflicting reports as to what is actually happening the iranians are very suspicious about about some of the attacks the attacks of the port of jade in the United Arab Emirates have to write have happened right after bolton said that he received intelligence from the israelis their iran is about to carry out it in an attack the one off of the iranian coast is even more suspicious because the americans said mind to use the chinese owner of this. Ship the japanese owner of the ship rather said that they were not mines they were they came from the air and also the explosions were above the water drop. Put place under the water and finally that this attack took place as the japanese Prime Minister was to visit the iranian law that doesnt exist that just. That just has to be a coincidence really ok lets go lets go to beirut. If you look at the administration the Trump Administration you certainly have john bolton in my column pale beating the drums of war its really obvious and bolton is want to just for a very very long time and then trump introjects himself this is not the 1st time a dinner jackson says there are reports that hes telling his aides to kind of calm down a little bit i mean is this a plan is this a strategy i mean if this is you know kind of a bluffing game here because it looks amazingly unprofessional and quite vulgar in its approach go ahead in beirut well obviously the time but the ministration and the president personally hes a hes a hes. They can blaze up around the world basically launching. The many using a weapon of his favorite choice and hes imposing. Sanctions against a country he he has a Good Relationship with those going to be actually. Conflict with but in the end have to remember these these sanctions hurting the people who are there in iran or its in. North korea or in china or russia and its actually a live thing that national. Order basically we. Been seeing that the fired line for the United Nations and basically it is the of the. Administration and his. Secretary trying to rule the world there is nobody but they know this in charge of this world i think this in terms of using economic sanctions and economic function then my aftermath is harder then a war because. A lot of harm on people especially who are not supposed to be. Part of the equation in the end the people who got the harm in this confrontation are the. People that throughout the world the e. U. Is theyd both been almost economic function all over 2000000000 people and they havent really thought well thats the real worry because if the sanctions dont work and they want this theyre outcome of regime change they will up the ante here let me go to robert here robert i mean i suppose all of this watching this unfold here is that there is such a possibility of miscalculation in misinterpretation they could bring a conflict to permission which are both governments say they dont want but the actions of one government seems to be pushing towards a conflict looking for some kind of tripping point Tipping Point to make the react thats what it looks like it looks like taunting to me go ahead robert. Yes i agree with you to some extent i think myself that. Are a. Mistake was each other to have a lot of miscommunication and did i believe that the u. S. Administration has pursued do a great extent not transparent and. Incoherent this. Youre on and these are things that are usually and this is on account of this and the administration between the. President and walton and portray your and. What happened on sort of the at 730 eastern time United States where iran shut down drone now this is a very serious story. That has been taken by the iranians that United States said well it was that the wrong was in International Water the iranian said it was in iranian airspace the point is yes indeed. If you dont have some kind of common equation between the 2 if youre going to have the medium so as your body. They have to speak with each other yes you are going to have it well and. I agree with you on that point about communication let me go back to turn but mohamed i mean why would the iranian leadership want to engage in a conversation with the trumpet administration when the trumpet ministration walked away from the nuclear deal is very very provocative scored a quote sending more troops to the region i mean where is diplomacy in all of that ok this is what i dont get i mean here you have the president the United States tearing up an International Agreement and then saying that you know iran has to adhere to the agreement that it no longer adheres to go ahead mohammed. Well this maximum pressure on iranian women and children leaves the United States with no exit strategy and while. The head of Conflicts Forum wrote a very good piece explaining this the americans have put themselves in a very tight spot on the one hand they have no exit strategy theyve declared the Iranian Armed forces as a terrorist organization so they can no longer communicate with them see or anywhere. On the other hand the United States has left the Nuclear Agreement the iranians and the americans were negotiating with each other within the framework of the. Iranian nuclear deal the j c p o a and even under tromping his 1st secretary of state tillerson did participate in talks with the iranian so it is the americans whove left the negotiating table not the iranians and its the americans who basically created a dead end by declaring irans armed forces a terrorist organization which is unprecedented in Human History so right now the americans have put us in a position where there is no exit strategy theres no way for either the americans are going to continue to escalate and create greater danger and if thats the case and i if i were in the United Arab Emirates or saudi arabia id leave or id be i put my money out of the country immediately or the United States is going to have to find a way to back down because for iran there is no where to go except defend its sovereignty right now thats a really good point and come on lets go back to beirut here i mean mohamed brings up an excellent point here is that they are trying to ministration has done a lot its an exit strategy for itself i mean thats why i worry because if they dont get the results they want theyre discounting to up the ante in the next stage obviously is some kind of military conflict limited or very expansive go ahead in beirut. Yes i think this is that aim of the trumpet in the station at least for the. Mr bauer pompei or less the bolton they actually wanted their regime change in iran they wanted the regime to change or read somewhere in china they want to regime change and and russia they want to know the sima change in venezuela basically theyre just one hijacked the International Order this is does not work the way they see it they failed in venezuela miserably they tried to do a coup that didnt work theyd so i tried to bully china and russia is not working this backfiring on them basically on them and i think if they push too hard i think this is will lead to war and them i asked them it if there is a war i think basically its going to be shaping for the political geography of the well you know i would feel like our told our ive been in you know i can i can you know me and we have to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion around stay with our. One else showed him drama. But also just dont all. Get to see palace. After the. Trail. When the find themselves worlds apart. From the common ground. What do you do before you came here where did you work before you came here when you live well death row in many us States Capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims families they are very much in favor of the Death Penalty there are some people because of what they do have given up the right to live among us some even proven innocent doctor years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. Welcome back across the uk where all things we considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing. Ok lets go back to robert in florida here well lets talk about mike pompei oh hes saying that the reason why troops need to be sent to the gulf is entirely for deterrence sake what is he talking about it how can it be deterrence when its offensive go ahead robert well you have a point here. My point pedro has been really issuing mixed messages to iran and to the rest of the wall and i am what it about him really and im worried that he is more leaning toward. But something happened today as a day or on sort of stay in the daily beast and all that a statement by the president he mentioned you know through his. Administrate to his people in the administration that they have to tone down all kind of all kind of you know statements that could increase tension and i believe that the president of United States might send troops and even let me add. What happened. They might even order some kind of. Response to what happened to the wrong not necessary youre on probably in syria or iran but the fact remains that i think that given the qualities that his Administration Given the election but they are coming in United States i seem to United States is going to do its going to be calibrated and hopefully its going to its not going to lead to war ok well you know mohamed you know they say they want to send troops to the region a lot of troops in the region theres a lot of ships theres a lot of material there i mean im astounded will not im not astounded be you know the western media makes it sound like no ones there i mean iran is completely surrounded by. Friendly forces the United States are friendly to the United States i mean its a country under siege i want to stay with my palm pale mohamed because he seems to have this kind of weird kind of psychological tic because when he hears. He hears the echo of al qaeda after all these years hes still playing that that somehow there is a connection between iran and al qaida its extraordinary and very few in the media push back on it. Yes and the fact is that there is a direct link between the United States and yeah right now in syria the last stronghold of al qaeda the United States is preventing the Syrian Government the Syrian Armed Forces from getting rid of this major occupation this occupation of this this horrific terrorist organization so its ironic that after less than 2 day after september the 11th and subsequently this whole war on terrorism which was as a result of september the 11th says. 2011 the United States has been supporting al qaeda and we have to remember that isis was al qaida us which broke away and became isis or i. A. S. So but in addition to that id like to point out that the downing of the drone which was a very sophisticated and expensive drone with Stealth Technology by the iranians show that the United States is really misleading itself if it thinks that it can engage in conflict with iran without major consequences and it is interesting that the this drone was downed by an iranian made surface to air missile called the cord 3 missile so i think this is important for americans and europeans to recognize that if there is military conflict in this region the iranians will strike back disproportionately even if its a small attack and they will be relentless because they know that they have to make sure that americans understand that war is not an option and if there is a major conflict between the 2 sides there is no doubt that the whole of the persian gulf will be on fire there will be no oil and gas exports from the persian gulf anymore and the United States will be driven out of the region and millions of people from the Arabian PeninsulaArabian Peninsula will be on the move towards europe the Global Economy will collapse and so the saudi regime and their morality regime will not last very long so there are huge implications and it is very important for europeans and americans to push back against the more foolish elements in the political political order whether in the United States or in countries like britain or saudi arabia or the emirates or israel you know. Go back to debate root professor marandi is absolutely correct here the problem with all of this is that the theres no real political debate in particularly the United States on these issues he. I think 11 hopeful thought in all of this is that donald trump wants to be reelected and he knows he knows very very well that his base elected him in 2016 do not want another foreign adventure and its very very clear from the polling results here i think this is the thing thats going to maybe hold him back my working theory about all of this is that hes given comp aylwin bolton a very wide berth and he said to them do whatever you want just dont get me into a war that will be called trumps war months before the next election what do you think go ahead in beirut. Obviously the military the pentagon the Senior Adviser to the president know very well they cannot win a war in the middle east they tried that war and there are gangs iraq way but almost a 1000000 soldiers on the ground and what happened even there are the president and the american the upper limit cannot come except. In the night and leave in the night so obviously they were not successful and their operation in iraq theyre not going to be successful in any operation in any place against iraq because this is a this is obviously will lead to a regional war and this is can the weaken their allies in the region and they will have an impact on the economy of the United States and the National Economy i dont think the president he wanted to jeopardize any and the and the what at this point but we have to be very mindful there could be some miscalculation example going in the process of alteration that as they come to place and me im a miscalculation this will lead to a confrontation there they are a undeclared very well very well they dont want war but they are ready for a war and in my ass to me. There. They would love to have the confrontation in the end the economic function it is really a war yes it is really difficult a war and i dont think in the end thats the way that and 30. Let me get hurt more than what it is eventually they get a. Measurement that kind of. Function because what we know about the American Administration they dont stop only. Shock thats what probably the iranian going to do to them they can then give them some shock something that the american. Think very hard that go in and raise in that rhetoric thats not a picnic they can get at anytime they wish to let me go its go back to turan here i think weve lost robert in florida here mohamed its very interesting that this time around because iran has been a target of the United States for a very my entire adult life i think thats very clear and ran has been treated as a pariah in the western media for decades now but this time around the United States is very much isolated itself it doesnt have the this coalition of the willing around it its very unilateral and maybe thats what trump wants he wants thats what america 1st means to him is unilateral ism i dont see it ends very well but only to explain to our viewers again the as i started out the program again getting the point of view from tehran what is the sentiment if you can talk about a general sentiment for a country as long as large as around and with such a Large Population that you know the whole thing is the plan is to undermine the government so the government and government be overthrown i mean is that just sky tell us whats going on on the ground go ahead well. There are enormously grievances among iranians americans ever since 1983 when they overthrew the government they installed the shah they helped the shah imposes dictatorial regime over the public to help create the secret police that killed thousands of iranians they supported the shah during the revolution when sharon massacred people on the streets of tehran on black friday carter immediately afterwards declared his support for the shah after the revolution the americans tried to undermine it they supported saddam was saying gave him chemical weapons i personally survived 2 of those Chemical Attacks and then of course the sanctions which have been brutal and directed towards ordinary people so your audience have a deep dislike and especially someone like trump who is more crude i mean hes not really all that different from previous american president s but hes more crude but i think the difference between now in the past is that youre iran is much more militarily advanced as youve seen in the recent downing of the drone iran position in the region is iran has a commanding position its allies across the region are very powerful in iraq in yemen in syria and lebanon in afghanistan and iran to antagonise are increasingly weak and the weakest link here is of course the United Arab Emirates and so he arabia and the iranians will not tolerate this Economic Warfare to continue and since these 2 regimes are a part of this Economic Warfare i think that the iran willing to put increasing pressure on these 2 regimes but in addition to iran strengthen regional position and its unity at home thanks to trump because iranians see the trump as an aggressor and the the different Political Parties are more united today but also theres a greater convergence among major powers like russia and china going with iran and therefore the United States is basically ally aligned all these different forces both globally and regionally with one another alignment. Things missed let me jump in here let me get some on the United States and its allies regimes let me give a come on the last 30 seconds of the program go ahead jump in beirut. Well obviously this is this is the way they are trying but the motivation is declaring war and the world that has declared war and everybody is not. Actually believe the United States is stronger its weekend. Morally the world is watching and probably were going to see in new economic order different from the one was 1944 in britain would i think everybody is looking for if them where the United States would not lead i think that china will have sort of fell russia. Also worked very hard i have been ive been here i go i call it the paradigm shift america cannot. Be something if there are let me all the time we have gentlemen thank you very much many thanks to my guests and to beirut and in florida and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. Next time and remember. 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