About Nuclear Iran Mr marstons good to talk to you thank you very much for your time. Now back in 2013 you published a book with be there all boring making a rational argument against a war with iran then i think many of the points you made back then are still valid but do you think this whole debate on iran especially in the United States is still within the reality of rationality do rational arguments still matter well the basic facts of disappeared really from public view. The United States spent 10 years from 20032000 to 2013 attempting to coerce around into giving your european rich whims. Even though that was around. The treaty which allows enrichment and the other activities i was. For. Im not motion purposes they failed. Despite their best efforts they got sanctions imposed by the Un Security Council they imposed sanctions themselves obama did and when most of 2012 i think. Nevertheless they. Continued with their Enrichment Program as they were entitled to do and then they talked with the situation in which they had about 20000. 00 centrifuges which about half were actually functioning. Time of course the their the activity then your character of the. Iranians was was on her the supervision of the. On an all time they fund absolutely no diversion of your clear material. For a nuclear purposes well its one so far that a few days ago the United States and iran seem to be on the brink of a war but if we are to believe media reports donald trump called off a strike on the run based in part on consultations if hes favorite t. V. Anchor im sure that both of us are relieved that this strike didnt happen but this mode of Decision Making about the matters of war and peace doesnt it send chills down your spine. Yes i mean unfortunately theres one arcturian on this just is not rush no. Its the United States i mean iran as compared to the russian about all these things and you can predict as to whats going to happen not least because. A tone trumps chief advisor and this is one john bolton who. Is for everybody in favor of taking military action against iran and indeed over regime change in iran he he wrote an op ed in the annals of turned 20. 15 i think it was suggesting that the United States should bomb around nonexistent Nuclear Weapons program. He undoubtedly was to the poor and inviting trump to take military action a few days ago trim tree bark. Im certain sure there are going to be over instances in which he will get military action and maybe next time trump will not drop by i mean its overly irrational because. There is no iran hasnt got a Nuclear Weapons program. Is never how did your Weapons Program the j c p u a has restricted the amount of. Research uranium it can. Keep on its own soil it come it. Couldnt possibly make a Nuclear Weapon even if it thought so done through the years the us and times rooms said look we can always tell if it moves away from the current level of enrichment which is largely required for Nuclear Power towards higher levels of richmond 2 that are needed for for. A bomb you just mentioned a moment ago that the president. Was almost proud for having called off a military strike and having stood up to john bolton but at the same time he also doubled down on verbal assaults and personal sanctions against the Supreme Leader off or on. I agree with you its very difficult to understand the transactions but do you take that as a now for this an american effort to diffuse or on the contrary to your ratchet up the pressure insofar as they have promised to put pressure on iran that what they really expect to gain from go to the nose i mean. To meet them around what was right a year ago in which there were 12 points in which which were quite impossible to believe. That iran would ever obey. Giving up their Nuclear Program altogether and included apparently withdrawing from syria and stopping giving aid and assistance to has will i mean none of thats going to happen so their end game is god only knows the world should be saying with one voice and particularly gura should be say with one voice is this crisis is made in washington this crisis is arisen from the fact that the United States. Is violating a an International Nuclear deal sanctioned by the security council. This should be said over and over again iran is innocent in this matter it was sticking to the britain sent an envoy to run the other day lets assume bloody capital to go to you mean he should go to washington because thats where its going to be stopped it will be stopped but they do you really think that if the europeans are have enough capacity enough a geo political leverage to stop the americans from doing anything i mean now with all due seriousness is there any power in the world that can make the United States at this point of time seek by its own till its very difficult. To see the strongest power in the world and its very difficult to see how they can be stopped but if you just acquiesce and europe is mostly acquiescing in this breach it hasnt gone very much for around to help the situation and which is being strangled economically if you sit quiet surely nothings going to renew only positive thing that quite a bit in the day was our foreign minister who. Was standing there leadership of the conservative party actually said in the house of commons i think yesterday it would be very very unlikely he couldnt it was a situation in which britain would join in military action against around along with the United States so suppose there should be thankful for something you mentioned some of the things that could be done but what im mostly concerned is. The state of affairs in the middle east because. While trump seems to be proud of not rushing into war the overall security situation is very tenuous we still dont know what and who did the old those attacks on the oil tankers those attacks may repeat again they may be Something Else involving got for be some american casualties that would require a prompt american reaction i mean i understand that i sound like a conspiracy theorist but is it possible to explain whats going on in that region without suspecting some foul play. Its very difficult its very difficult to say i mean that i notice that russia has. Suggested that perhaps ron was right in saying that the drone was inside. Iran in their airspace when theres been a short time but i wouldnt like to guess as to who was responsible for her. Actions against shipping the go. These days whenever things happen he ask yourself over time who gains from what even may look as if they have the answer is obvious i mean we just have serious and in. The socalled chemical weapons and during the last year which you know stance on britain and france bomb syria turns out as it looks very very like as if that was in fact a staged event. I dont know who is responsible really because i apologise of they had the russian one of the Russian Security chiefs and he went even further to suggest that all the evidence that the americans have so far presented as as if they were the evidence of the rainy and culpability were based on poor intelligence and it really looks like there is something going on the view of the with the Intelligence Data tromp all from the cues of not trusting the american intelligence do you think he actually has a reason of being at least suspect of what hes given and asked to make his decisions on well he would have a right to be because john bolton is famous for when he was part of the bush administration. For essential written and type of intelligence applied to cuba. Pump a who actually wanted to of his way to say that of course who. Has is quite willing to lie. To rises so who would you believe some say who seems to be content to live without sort of situation to some extent i think weve seen this story before with north korea the escalation of tensions the ratcheting up of sanctions followed by summits and claims of mitchell affection but i think there is one key difference and that is that a role that is played by the american ally in the region south korea was leading be the outreach to you on north korea but he in this particular case israel seems to be very very belligerent do you think there is any connection between this geopolitical situation surrounding big golf amman and perhaps an israeli domestic situation israel has is right behind its been trying for about 20 years to get america to talk to iran but by essentially theyre inventing or things are getting well to iran is doing and then your care for you and. Its it would be absolutely delighted if it could persuade the u. S. At least to talk with your sister some to sort of. Whether israel is supplying information which is lets say less than the truth i couldnt really say ok well mr marson we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. You know world big partisan movie lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. 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Welcome back to worlds apart but David Morrison and author of a dangerous delusion why the west is wrong about Nuclear Iran Mr morrison one of the reasons why these townships have been so for attractive is because its not entirely clear what the disagreement is really about is it about iran suppose it intention to build a nuclear bomb or is it perhaps. Americas and israels desire to see a different government in tact what is it as far as youre concerned i think theres little doubt that its its about. Making sure are trying to make sure thats iraqs power and in the middle east is at least as restrained if not diminished. In the case of. Some people and. They would very much like to see a change or regime wish and hope that they would get some regime that was. Less willing and able to stand up against people who attack and right side but the other the one thing ive been convinced of for many years is that nuclear in your business is just a pretext i mean the best evidence of that ive come across for that is when in i think it was november 2007. The u. S. Intelligence services produced a National Intelligence estimate on this issue. Stated that as far as they were concerned. Didnt a Nuclear Weapons program. George bush was angry about the he was angry but he said in his book that he was angry because this meant that he could no longer. Make it more difficult for him to maintain the diplomatic pressure on iran and theres no way he could attack around militarily and circumstances in which. Didnt and your Weapons Program so obviously the whole bloody business about the Weapons Program was just a pretense it was just a stick to beat around with and to use for the purpose of working on people against iran. Unfortunately the u. S. Intelligence services broke a stick well interesting that you keep referring to irans possible mean you cant program because just the other day john bolton was on record saying that there was quote no evidence that iran made a strategic decision to renounce Nuclear Weapons so he takes it for granted that iran has actually accepted Nuclear Weapons as part of its policy of each tree where they agree with me never it never happened around never has a Nuclear Weapons program in any meaningful sense iran has never has never find any Nuclear Material being diverted from the purposes. That is the big fact. All the time this is richmond has been going on. Its been done under a supervision its still being done on a supervision when the j. C. Limits are exhausted in whatever many years time 10 years 20 years in some instances then you know irans Nuclear Program will still be on her the. Servatius of the day and they have known all along. What around us. Doing to what level of your enemy has been enriched now in your book you actually go to some of the origins of how it all began failing to disclose its have a what are your any and facility in the towns which the United States and israel eagerly as proof of its bomb building intentions but i draw it from your book that iran a dot point of time didnt even have to disclose that facility in the 1st place how come. You were told that the. Uranium enrichment facility was sure they were in the process of building. On which the released evidence of evidence on totally provided by israel the. Point in time the agreement they had with the. They meant that they didnt. Disclose. Their plans to construct facilities. I think it was 6 months prior to them putting your rhenium Nuclear Material into it so they were in the. Sand afterwards and there were reports they werent breaking any rules not regard and they certainly wont bring any rules about their every water plant because every water is not a Nuclear Material and iran was still. Eager to pursue some trust Building Measures to quote unquote restore the international communitys trust in its Nuclear Program but many of the iranian officials i interviewed kind of suspected that this trust Building Measures were just the cover for a total of revoking permanent revoking irans right to enrich uranium granted to it under the nonproliferation treaty it seems like you actually agree with the ranee an argument here that all this Negotiation International negotiate. It was not about Building Trust but actually about a permanent ban on Irans NuclearResearch Industry the situation well as negotiations really went wrong nothing from about 2003 to 2 stores and 5 with. The european ones. Including the u. K. And various points i read around suspended. Various nuclear activity. Temporarily at the request of the europeans but. Just eventually when the europeans come up with their plan. For the future of the Nuclear Industry in and around it for iran to enrich uranium have to. Run threats under the years me not a lot of point in 2005. Iran and find it was mr zarif self there is no foreign minister put forward. By. Iran would attempt to gain. The confidence of the world that its activity was not for military purposes. The it was it was rejected out of hand. The europeans even though it provided for an extraordinary level of supervision by the way. Offered to turn enrich uranium into uranium robes right away. So that it would be more difficult to reverse the process and further and rich the material for weapons for officers. The europeans were but the europeans were doing americas will america said they were told they were told straightforwardly we dont want any. Centrifuges are operating in and around europe obeyed now are the europeans may have been doing the american bidding at that time but clearly there are now divisions a bit in europe and the United States on how to receive the european still want iran to comply with the j c p o e bay americans insist on the essentially i think permanent ban on the iranian enrichment whatsoever and just the other day donald trump promised the rainy and a booming economy if they were to abandon their rights you can reach is there any reason any rational reason for the rain ians to say yes to trumps proposal will. You come and sympathize with reince when they say. This is all norms. The potential for a very im calling me on to he. Decided to violet the International Treaty that was astonishing 2015. And proceeded to time to strangle around economically and. But you know this this all stars for america and it really is it is time for the europeans to say with emphasize that with a large force and. A great deal more to support around in the trouble its been placed in by the Us Administration i really do think. Europeans have been. Really knocked. Them for size and off the degree to which around as an Innocent Party i mean they can keep joining in all the time with a solution that iran has this its enormous destabilizing factor in the middle east i mean it didnt turn iraq into a bloody mess for syria and a bloody mess you know. Whos the stimulating and city in the middle east and its capital is washington speaking of which the u. S. State department has just rolled out while demands including abandoning the iranian Ballistic Missiles program withdrawing from syria obvious things that many other countries around the world that gauge it but iran for some reason should not be allowed to and to me it really looks like the americans out asking the iranians to concede that they are indeed the pariah state with no sovereign rights whatsoever im sure the chances of that happening. But do you think in general its a good way of framing the issue in conducting International Policy thing going out with a country just because you dont trust the denying you all the rides that a given all the other neighbors thinking but this is more uncertain because it really very road you know of the situation in which the most powerful Nuclear Power in the middle east that is actually used Nuclear Weapons this is siding with a major part of the middle east which has got loads of your weapons and means of delivering them through to the capitals of the middle east if not for. Here they are attempting to strangle a state that has gotten Nuclear Weapons and has a. You know spends almost a pittance on arms compared to the United States. And even thats too much apparently that. Theyre not allowed to help their deeper when the neighbors are asked like in the iraq and syria. On the other hand you know the United States can come halfway around the world and interfere in syria against the wishes of the state of syria and israel seem party thats joined with the United States and. Iran or most of. The movie is crazy well mr morsi when you put it like that its really depressing by the unfortunate if this is the world that we live in anyway we have to leave it there thank you very much for sharing your perspective for that thank you i invite our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. Same place same time here on worlds apart. Were going to St PetersburgInternational Economic forum and the topic of our panel is are we witnessing a paradigm shift in the Global Economic order of the answer of course is yes its a matter of degree. When lawmakers manufacture consent instinctive public will. When the room in close is protect them so. When the claimants merry go round to listen to the will most of them told. 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