If you say. To expect women to cover their faces then i took it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like boxes quote them to some woman for a litter box looking like up buying some of the things he said about black people i wouldnt even repeat has called little more than later books is displayed after could be something more to man with a smile. Or some people we spoke to in the u. K. Could the friendship between statements about islam from leading conservatives and statements from far right for. Any normal muslim reader of the quran islamophobia so the fear of a seems a natural reaction and is indeed exactly what the text intended to provoke who does this quote belong to Tommy Robinson. Quite known with his activism all Boris Johnson who could be the next Prime Minister barak. I think weve you say Boris Johnson i wouldnt be surprised unfortunately to call city a Security Risk during the Mayoral Campaign in 2016 do you think it was that bright but commentator milo or was it Zac Goldsmith said the opponent at the time looks like the 1st one was the name of the mind though. I think it was that goldsmith Zac Goldsmith to make more sense this political figure has said they dont care whether their message incites fear of muslims as long as it prevents children from getting away i think it must be parsed. Actually Tommy Robinson does that surprise you youre more like a boy. It doesnt surprise you. And want to be officials are trying to support by playing right into peoples hatreds and fears and prejudices and you know these things that it makes them more popular and therefore. They can speed up their career and i think that Boris Johnson is a perfect is the example of that and this is quite dangerous because again when you have in such a position of leadership people who do play injuries and who abide by racism themself then it is very dangerous for a country such as britain that claims to abide by human rights principles and claim to be pure is democracy and so for most for the solace those who know vote for crosstalk coming up next. Hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered Peter Lavelle parts of gerrard cushion his deal of the century have been made public and the reception has not been good focusing on aid and infrastructure the deal is silent on the most contentious political issues and for all intensive purposes the long proposed 2 state solution appears to be dead is the deal of the century dead on arrival. Across talking the deal of the century im joined by my guest peter ford in manchester hes a former British Ambassador to bahrain and syria and a senior official with the u. N. Agency for palestine refugees until 2015 and television we have amir oren he is a defense and government commentator also in tel aviv we have yossi melman he is a senior Israeli Security writer and commentator gentlemen crossed the rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate lets go to ambassador peter in manchester. Whats your reception of question or is it feel i mean its clear with our audience here that this is the economic part of it where other parts are going to be released in short order but its its very difficult to conceive having an economic plan of this magnitude we dont know where the money is going to come from we dont know whos going to pay for it we really dont know who is going to benefit from it if it comes to fruition but how can you have a plan like this without a political framework to move forward because theres a military occupation of palestinian lands i mean how can you talk about infrastructure when you havent dealt with that issue go ahead peter. Absolutely thing. This plan is serious. If you read the 96. 00 pages of the plan it reads like a real estate prospectus for thumb utopian maybe one of Donald TrumpsReal Estate Development or a new golf course where the palestinians perhaps would have jobs with caddies and green keep this looking after it for the israelis only the territory. Plan is not serious at all and we have to ask ourselves why were even discussing it it is so serious on every level even on its own terms and economic blueprint it doesnt make sense. Nothing important segment like control of movement how can that possibly happen until you know movement from where to where what what is going to be the palestinian territory which is going to see all the utopian development its not serious same question to you i mean are in tel aviv what is your take on. Deal of the century as theyre calling it. Well i mean if you wanted to have a real conflict on this show youre not going to have any because you can choose your term and. Bill are tons of tons whatever you want to call jared cushion or a jesse than the others they are really no experts on the middle east and its a pity that the United States which brought forward people like george about szell and Henry Kissinger and jim baker is now at the hands of people like donald trump and his associates they understand nothing about diplomacy and nothing about the middle east its even insulting its like trying to give someone a buck shish. In order for him to give up what he really values sovereignty statehood hes capital and all of that and its really too much to waste a lot of time on it and one can only ask every toric a question would these rallies agree to sell their own National Dignity and national lend or even the settlements in the west bank for a price tag of 50000000000. 00 or 500000000000. 00 or whatever the amount there would be ok youre seeing in tel aviv i mean the supporters of this deal or are spinning it is a middle east Marshall Plan we already heard marshalls name mentioned already i mean but i dont really understand how it works i mean if the countries that are involved or are egypt lebannon jordan israel the palestinian lands i mean whos going to make those decisions i mean i seriously doubt it we know all due respect israels going to want to see the palestinians spending 5050000000000. 00 or any part of that ok i mean obviously it would seem like since its coming from the questionnaire that he would want the israelis to be spending that money i mean how would it all these other countries want to get a. Baldwin Something Like that when its unclear if its going to be in their National Interests go ahead you know c n n i type yes i agree with b. Its a right now me or its its a nonstarter for a book for a diplomatic breakthrough its even a funny kind of thing when being because the groom and the bride are not taking part in in their party hes rallies and police and palestinian leaders are absent from from the meeting in moderating. The a. B. M. Maybe heads some sort of log had it been preceded 1st afforded by. The political negotiations and then you could have come forward with an economic package now the idea of the economic backer g. s not bad at all for itself. The idea is that jordan which is under tremendous economic pressure egypt which is. Deteriorating every day and lebanon which is a host of many palestinians refugees would benefit from big deal which would be part of this kind of solving to palestinian problem and its interesting but without that diplomatic. 1 negotiations with without that people might think dogs its a nonstarter there its just a joke and yes its a typical of the trump of the ministration and my final comment would be you have to we have to understand who is behind the plan who has designed the plan its trump and jr is there any special envoy jefferson green bulb and we have a nice red and u. S. Ambassador in this rail David Friedman all of them are supporters of the. Of the settlements they are friends of the center letters and they are against. Against palestinian state to state solution and in favor of it is really an extension of the occupied territories ok well im kind of disappointed that were all in such agreement era where were pledging it out and its really important peter i mean this this deal looks like its repackaging the occupation thats all its doing its putting a nice you know it is tying a little bow over something that has existed for decades and and your question is certainly is not approaching that because you cant deal with these Economic Issues im going to agree with you only without dealing with the political i mean thats what you thats where you start ok in the economic infrastructure if it is a political arrangement can be made which we all know its been very very difficult thats where you would go ahead in manchester. You know. The implied deal here i mean what is the deal. The implied deal is for 50000000000. 00 of the palestinians birthright. For tickets or a lottery you think other peoples money they might not win on anyway. They will give up all right and lend that. Question and maybe its more or less explicit in some of these recent statements by the the Arab Peace Initiative with no basis for negotiations by thing among palestinians he is far as he knew it was only technocratic people who wanted to argue about these or quit facts of sovereignty and right and land and the ordinary people just wanted to get a life that this is the. 3rd. Self serving thinking dignifying it with the wrong. The word here is not really thinking i mean it with serious anything worth asking ourselves what would a serious plan look like what it would include these 2 elements which are absent one compensation for the settlers who would be routed from the settlement come to any imaginable piece the oh and 2nd very fond recurring a number a limited number of recurring Palestinian Refugees is not even touched on a mere immediately gerrard question he told he writes im just a couple of words here a healthy economy while is a healthy population but the trumping ministration is withdrawn all kinds of funds from the palestinians. Particularly in building hospitals in east jerusalem. A recognition of the p. L. O. As a representation in washington i could go on and on and then his son in law is saying we need a healthy palestine i mean what is going on here i mean did anybody in the state Department Read it i mean or just because hes the son in law you get a blank check i mean its patently absurd what is being written here talking about Health Conditions and how you can grow the g. D. P. Well if you have a military occupation its going to hardly grow in g. D. P. When you cant move around you have limited choices for work and you have huge unemployment i mean what in the world this is about go ahead in tel aviv. Well its a bipolar policy and the 2 poles can be summed up by one word and this is fine if you are fine with my poli sci youll get a lot of incentives if not im going to fine you and youre going to pay a lot and the only precedent in American History for such a proposal goes back to who was it beats a minute to the native americans 24. 00 worth of colored beads for the island of manhattan perhaps this is where. The send the question its got their idea now we are giving them too much credit by calling it a play in a proposal all they wanted to do is to get away from their Campaign Pledge of 3 years ago to solve people the sitting in israeli conflict of course they were very cocky about the we will succeed where everybody before us failed they dont have anything obvious leaves but they had to come up with something so be published this proposal knowing full well that nothing will come out of feet and those countries who need the United States for protection against iran in the gulf very obedient to the showed up a game that is going on so thats where were going to go in the 2nd part of this program i just some of the 1st half the program is it was a bribe but nobody is going to take i would say after a short break well continue our discussion on the deal of the century state party. Where if you assert. That it is the. America. If. They are. God since we. Dont hear. Any. Kind of. Difference in. Our names. Welcome back to crossfire were all things were considered on people about dr who were discussing the deal of the century. Ok lets go back to your scene in tel aviv amir did at the very end of the 1st part of the program he mentioned iran and can we put this deal and maybe this the trumpet ministrations approach to the israel and the middle east and iran into context here are there any real connections here because we have we have countries in the middle east that. Talking about outside of the palestinians and israel its is it looks like you know the Trump Administration is looking for some kind of grand strategy and that grand strategy obviously is to create some kind of coalition against iran and were living in very dangerous times right now how well founded is the Trump Administrations quest for this coalition. Well. These things are connected in their way their reason there is a coalition of bro a Broad Coalition of you can call it this. Is some sort of in the israeli mind or participation in the mainly by providing intelligence and some. Of the wear and software to United Arab Emirates to some of the arabia is to defend themselves against the iranian threat. Iran is a major is a major. Topic for the trumpet ministration and they sidelined the palestinian issue. As i said earlier United Arab Emirates by hurricane saudi arabia egypt and even jordan who are on the run were forced to participate in their behind rain conference peace peace conference the konami phrase deal of the century which is actually maybe a deal of the day so these things are connected iran is a major major problem for the United States and for israel and saudi arabia one shouldnt deny that and therefore this is their main focus. For us is not important or peter the same question to you i mean what what is the confines of all of this because i mean i ended the 1st part of the program by calling the deal of the century a bribe that no one is going to take and we know that at the conference and brain a lot of low level people are attending i mean if its not somebody you know theres no real hot tickets theyre ok i mean i guess its kind of a lame attempt not to deal with real realities i mean i think the trump and ministrations approach to iran is farcical its making it far far worse ok its not using diplomacy as supply mostly should be used we dont need another regional war and certainly trumps base isnt interested in it either go ahead peter. Lightly surprise theyve gone ahead with it on the timing. Of almost literally a flame i dont hold it would have been why the put it off for a few weeks because at the moment going to be a propaganda gift who terror on. Terror around propaganda mill theyre already worrying the loud way. The bahraini thing is an end burthen and in fact the gulf countries the going to it that theyre holding than those who is. Trying to smuggle it through their own Public Opinion which again they did the whole thing is an embarrassment and actually a propaganda gift to iran. I mean from what i understand it was the american side that decided that it israeli delegation shouldnt show up because the arab countries were sending such low level officials apparently the saudis wanted to make it look like theres some kind of unity within the arab elise among arab elites and israel but they took it off the table at the last 2nd was not a wise move. It was inevitable because if the palestinians dont show up it was going to look people so one sided so much american israeli accius that there would be no point in even holding the show but you mentioned earlier the electoral base which. Is aiming polisi at this base and jelly cool and also includes some right wing jewish supporters and donors big time contributors no doubt about that no no doubt about that he doesnt go ahead. Right so for them he wants he wants to show that he is supportive of israel and dismissive of the palestinians and also he wants to show that this is one of his Campaign Pledges that he at least made a good effort to fulfill if it didnt come to pass so be now looks towards the next elections and he wants to check the box and move ahead you dont see under this administration an ambiguous lee the trumpet ministration is openly and very forcefully pro israel as they see it ok how does that how is that bad for any kind of Peace Process when there are so many pieces that we need to have in the middle east but if the United States is abandon its its a broker position that it prided itself on for decades and i dont think it was a fair broker but at least it was a pretense of being a fair broker but now with this switch here i mean how does that bode for the region. You are absolutely right even the under more balanced administration isnt like that Barak Obama Administration or even. Due to bushs administrations still United States was very favorite group. And supportive of israel and that was the major palestinian complaint nowadays on their drugs there is nothing even due to compare when these up salute 300 percent not only on these ready site is 100 percent on one side of israel and this is their right wing good to say the layers. And netanyahu and therefore if you really want to make a progress in the middle east or at least be in these really are Palestinian Conflict you need it bad there are no religious bell and more balanced. Unfortunately its not going to happen and all the nollywood say that trumps for him polly see if he has any. Is just in shambles regarding north korea regarded russia regarding china and in the middle east as well especially in these really Palestinian Conflict ok peter i would give you a hypothetical ok go ahead i mean the point of the program jump in. Ok you said that this is the american policy pro israel yet theres not broad israeli these pro Benjamin Netanyahu ok good governor good point thank you thank you. Yes thats fair good point this is this is not known this is this is not. To be identical with israel the good of the israeli people and the electorate here is split down the middle to most. And his followers re present broadly half of the population and most of the more thoughtful israelis are against his policy a mere thank you for correcting me on my own program i stand corrected youre absolutely right let me go to peter now with my hypothetical ok donald trump finds out the reception of his son in law is a plan everyones laughing at it so what donald trump does being unpredictable as he is he calls you up peter and ask you to be his special envoy in the middle east whats the 1st thing you would do. Because you have the qualifications for it you could do the job. I have to say mr president you have to go back to your starting point but what i very much afraid of his plan is that notwithstanding the poor reception of the economic plan were going to press ahead with plan a. Which anticipated i think this kind of reception it must have done anyone with half a brain could have foreseen what was happening they put on the table after the israeli elections the political blueprint which will involve an almost total capitulation. Of 90 percent of the land to israel and then hell say well we offered to do for this fantastic amount of money if you turned it down now you turning down our political plan to give you back some of your land and end of story end of story were going to recognize israels sovereignty over the the west bank or big chunks of it that that that is where were headed that is where we headed regardless of what anyone drive through him. You know you know show you that i mean thats a really good point because it seems like could be the trumpet ministration is seeking a greater israel because netanyahu has been hinting at it about the annexation of the good part of the west bank if not all of it here and certainly the United States would not object even though that was. Not something any other administration had even contemplated how would that change the dynamic because if its ok that u. S. And then maybe a few of its allies would recognize it but most of the world will not do that how does that change the dynamic in the palestine israel conflict go ahead yossi yes sir still im not sure that really cares about annexation equal to the ones you have been bibi wanted and he wants to make people happy thats thats the point and then near it we did a really good job of explaining that. Exactly that was exactly 22nd they 2nd sentence im going i was going to say he doesnt care about settlements he doesnt care about an exception he he wants to support netanyahu as as i mentioned he are very supportive of the israeli right wingers and this and they are friends of the settlers now. Once israel annexed this part of the west bank and it would be a slow process it would not be overnight and need to then accession would take would take. Place in chunks once it is completed then did the end of the israeli palestinian. Even imagine or busy possible or through already peace aleutian and maly. It would have its wrong we think geishas on the israeli itself for days really psyche on the israeli public on israeli economy because many countries eventually would treat israel theyll write something. Just treating israel like a 2nd south africa part of the right boycott so ok on that point gentlemen i will have to jump in here thats the 1st time ive done a program dealing with israel and the palestinians who were there wasnt a blowout im very thankful to all of you many thanks to my guests in television and in manchester and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. Unix time and remember girls. Seem wrong. Just dont. Get to shape out to stay active. And engaged because the trail. Went something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. The United States and iran trade barbs at the u. N. Security Council Meeting as the other Member States call for calm between washington and tehran. And the u. K. Suspends exports of crowd control equipment to hong kong over the city states crackdown on recent protests thats one of the resume and selling weapons for saudi arabia which stands accused of targeting civilians in yemen. 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