Next year but in the next 510 years how do we built a better product with more safety maybe a better economy contract between the passenger and the driver to convince more drivers to shove a cord under the seats now you mentioned that cars are still the dominant means of transportation in the bigger cities but i think thats changing and in many metropolitan areas you do see a push for Public Transportation and higher tariffs parking terrace for the car where do you how far do you think this quest for share the Public Transportation can go and do you think people will ever in bigger cities will they ever give up car ownership and would that be good for users so i think what you describe is very true in cities when you talk about like very short distances weave in cities and clearly i think eventually youll see less and less cars in barrys you know in the center of the city is just a matter of time. On in. All over europe the share of private cars journeys between. 600 kilometers corys stable going up so she the car over the last 20 years has not been replaced by trains or buses because the reason people do score between cities is because the car is the only like universal connector that gets you exactly from where you want to go to do exactly where youre going to where you want to go and thats where you always find that in most countries the western europe in the rush i think its about between 60 and 80 percent of journeys between 10600 kilometers are done by car today same thing 10 years of something 20 years ago now the 1st victims of blah blah are expansion they usually bus lanes especially the loss making once and i mentioned before that last year you made an interesting it position of company is that something that you plan to do in other countries and what is their rationale of that those whose very the acquisition in france is very very specific to the french and German Market to the french and German Market. Until essentially 5 years ago when the market liberalized. If you think of it we created a black car in france and germany before any Bus Companies existed both came along both took some market share really shows that your core point is not killing buses because thats contradictory example where buses came into force and germany and grew market weve buses weve car and weve trains. You know other markets like brazil or many other markets where we operate there were buses before we arrived. The reality is we take there you need to market your from buses because people tend to use Something Else but then to use but because of proximity because they find a car but leaving from the right side of town of that does the right detour in the countryside or a small city and we tend to actually work we have Bus Companies and ag. Companies. In russia is a good example. Companies because. There are a lot of complaints from companies about your surface online i mean they dont appreciate your business. Is changing there are. 2 years ago yes even we had blue suits but we want. A competition of course we would. Think you the dialogue as companies and i think most of them actually understand that we serve a slightly different need that we also be very strong online distribution and today we have over 400. That we contracted. Distributing. So they realize that we bring additional additional passengers i heard you say on many occasions that one of the Biggest Challenges for you in growing the markets is establishing the trust between the driver and the passenger that they can actually share that journey together that its safe from many social studies to know that russia and ukraine the way your growth has been phenomenal the level of social trust isnt one of the lowest in europe how do you explain the success of here. Its really interesting like we. Rush. Brazil some extent. Faster with. Lower cost of marketing. It was a mix of probably the transport network because it was a big countries the transport network was not as functional dysfunctional. Germany were you have like a very decent train system historically. Gaps where you have lots of connections and where you know its very functional and. From a trust point of view what weve seen in both countries is. The lure you know sons at the ratings we built in the community where you put your food to and then you write the driver and driver is going to write back the passenger was creating a lot of trust in europe we see that you need to create the trust to like id checks and very few occasions an online payment. Less required in markets like russia and ukraine and brazil you know many people are asking whether the. Measures the security measures that in this markets were enough because last year here in russia we had a case of a mentally disturbed serial killer and using your service to create fake accounts and to kill a young woman and a mother of 2 children i know that you said that you were going to introduce passport checks in response to that incident but you gave yourself 2 year is arent 2 years i know fully a long time in this kind of business. It was horrible and we dont build the business of it. For us and safety was like the starting point. If you think of how people did he tried going back in the days there was no trust layer whatsoever so we created this community where you need to sign up you need to create an account with your account. Number eventually all the time and we progress into work we do checks which we did not rule out in response to an event actually because we started i did check in other countries long before and its just a matter of putting that in place i did check so hard to do by the way but you have them for example in india if im not mistaken and you had them from the very beginning why it was that number concern in this. Implementation was a challenge because i dont think we can shake and control you need like a. Government database that its not your level playing for. Countries are you can do that very easy some countries its very complex. Unfortunately in countries like russia its been ruled out and implemented a year ago we launched. Cruise to have 3000000 people so 400000 users and were going to continue doing that the next step is also online payment online payment is going to help the word trust and reliability by the way because you have a financial commitment that you will get to the core as a passenger but enables better tracking so today i think we have strong users. Moderation of the community. In the case you mention they should the person who was found because we can track back so there was no fake account. He created his account. Phone number we were registered in a different name so in a way it was if they build something yes and you know its something we been able to track and thats why you sound overwise you would not be found but perfect at the end of the day weve been improving and improving trust and safety based on people thats because like you when hes good enough never have you. Back after that incident because it was widely publicized on russian social media and i know from personal stories that many of my friends are now much more has it and about service as opposed to lets say for taxi service. All these services where you think. You interesting. Before we launched in india for example. Air b. N. B. In some cases and so on i think at some point point you can perfect information where you control everything so what weve been essentially doing is how do we keep on improving and adding layers and layers forcing people to go through everything because of the. Why is going to be a problem if you ask people to give like the best board and idea and so on the never works we have to take a short break now but there will be back in just a few moments. What is it calling one is magic and the new type of Digital Currency essential lies digital scarcity chancellor. 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A few years ago the russian authorities already and they were going to tax the Ride Sharing Services and it was. After the intervention of the french finance and the economy minister that this initiative put on hold you seem to have a pretty strong state for a private French Company and. The thing is right sharing is often confused weve corp willing needs of cement you have right sharing as your right sharing which is what. Those companies are doing and you have core pulling which is private citizen sharing the core and sharing of cause between cities. Essentially in most countries. Some level of regulation and then we worked on improving the regulation to define what is putting it and most important you would use call sharing so what is the definition of like you sharing the cost of the journey you would do anyway so in europe i would say were pretty far in the process you know russia its a process we started like a year and a house and 2 years ago now i would sort of in a regulation. Taxing the mini you would essentially sharing the cost of driving your vehicle is nonsensical because there is no profit being made so its always been or. In russia it was always understood the whenever we talk to regulators in russia the concept is i really want a regular. Defined i really want to go back to that issue but before we do that. I have a sense that you do have a certain protection of the state authorities but. At least. Some kind of environment distinguishes you from other companies and my suspicion is that because you are a major. French star can i ask history do you think you have any backing any from the french authorities when it comes to russian regulation because there are many attempts to undermine your business here through courts complaints through appeals to the Prosecutorial Office but youve always been spared as you said you are now part of a major government efforts you drive the legislation and that hasnt happened in russia way too often when business is directly involved in drafting Something Like that we know of driving it obviously weve been doing it in several countries so its pretty logical that you get involved i mean for the regulation to to make sense. The relationship with the french government we have known actually i mean we have the same relationship we have in every country right now is drafting like when you. Do you we have to spend a lot of times explaining what we do and what we dont do should be regulated it is normal business everywhere but youre not feeling any support any particular. Perception is. There and its true in most countries and i think one of them is the. Of what we do you know you talk about 20000000 people using the service. Its extremely hard people save money. On the underarm and disposed of externalities on the social benefits because you people meet and so on so i think we look. At we do something that makes sense for society make sense of the environment people in cities and save money and yes it helps you because its common sense whenever regulations being built i think we have. A free country that sensible and realize that it would make no sense to you to prevent people from doing Something Like that the question is more like how do you define the bond. Of was call sharing was not god sharing which is what we would be building right now. This is not a tax a Surface Service therefore participants particularly the driver should not pay taxes given that the you are branching into. In france and potentially elsewhere is that still a valid argument because for many of your interviews i get a sense that you actually want to be a platform a marketplace for both paid and paid services how do you make sure the well being seamless for your consumers you are not also being used as a means of tax evasion. Sure when we do buses its a very different matter when we do buses in false its a professional sort of these. Transport. Transport companies when we do core putting putting you have the driver sharing a cost which means the number of passengers you can carry is limited the maximum amount you can passenger and then you even core putting on the supply side was providing the ride we have to complete different businesses today to the point where its 2 separate Companies One is. Just something in russia we going to work with like professional suppliers providing a bus service on the other side of the car putting service which is do you. See the difference between the 2 because always there are people in the Texas Service and in russia is a pretty American Service there are always people who are trying to gain and to get an unfair advantage do you always see. Extremely clear and then its down to defining a proper regulation again but markets where its well defined and shes very simple just like the price because the measure of education collect as a driver which is defined as an example the u. K. Would tell you its 45. 00 pounds but if you make more than 45. 00 pounds per mile. Making money you need to be. A taxi driver as a transporter make less than 45 miles then you sharing the cost of motoring says. New free market. Forces a very very clear coat of black and white let me give you one interesting example from the south of russia recently when the blah blah car customer arranged a right within the cities and when he showed up at the Meeting Point he was shown into a diesel locomotive the Service Provider charged him a certain amount delivered this service but i think thats a beautiful example of what you would call into modality but. Its questionable both from taxation and Security Point of view. When you work with the governments how do you think they should throw is the question of whether their societies are ready for the kind of shared billeted you want to provide. The example you give i mean i would say we also have like your example of people who manage somehow to bypass the platform and so what we do is we should we were building a. Road after that the concept of sharing platform where drivers share the ride. We know it is the concept of the consumer marketplace we can all go and shake every car we built a Community Ratings and we built them to see you. So in that case the president is going to say its not a car. Youre one that bring in the additional modes of transportation you do not limit yourself to a car we do but knowingly which is very different from. The do what you describe is more like an outlier type story out of. Your foray into russia began in the acquisition of a Ukrainian Company arrived in the midst of 2014 of each happened to be a very difficult and traumatic year for both russia and ukraine if you had to do that all over again what do you have taken the risk. Yes because we do. Not like a Ukrainian Company or Russian Company time it was that was not to be. A small platform but something 3000 people. In ukraine were actually doing or putting. In both countries so it was important for us was to. Get a work in. We can work in ukraine. Take time machine and we were just in europe and that was the 1st time we. Universal. Company taking off was the proof that it was universal and pretty much everywhere we want we found some cultural changes its pretty universal there are cars everywhere. Everywhere and if you built a could good product and Good Quality Service you can you and our people to share the car at the terror you made that ukraine an acquisition. That the Ukrainian Company as far as i know was involved in some trans border rides do you still do that. Between russia and ukraine. We. Are actually across the border. But back then it was no dream big because it was very tiny it was. Like 30000. Have only 45 i mean people go back and forth there all the time and theres actually a huge demand because according to official ukrainian figures around 3000000 ukrainians. Are doing their regular bases between the 2 countries and the traditional modes of transportation are hindered because of the political situation do you think you should actually is there a Business Opportunity there for you or you would be more sort of politically sensible in this. Country except maybe countries that belgium cross borders very dont you for us to do mystic. Like hes very. Close border speaking about politics there was another interesting case. Involving blah blah car this time in the ukraine a when the driver and the passenger got into a heated argument about politics and the driver of a certain point decided that the journey is still being. Allowed the passenger by the side of the road i wonder if there is any attic what kind of blah blah youre supposed to have in the cars sport of. The adventure of the social experience so the reason you have blah blah blah blah blah is the birth of the name black car is moved of the time in a better car youre going to have discussions. Again 99 percent of the time people tell us and we have lots of that we. Come back and reached from this experience because. These 2 also got in. Perhaps maybe maybe its a great life. Story though i mean i do a lot of a lot of. People have different opinion you know world where you live in a social bubble. Your social media whatever you would be and you believe that everybody is the same way i think its quite refreshing actually that you take. People have different political views different view of the world that you dont even realize exist because on your facebook feed they dont exist anymore for some reason we bring people to giver you know card that when. You meet. Your destination because. People that. Transport which is discussing and. Yeah but i mean if one of them living in the other in the middle of the 4 is that its a liability for you as well is it not. People in the forest because their argument i think most of the time over was i guess we would not have. The success we 20000000 people using it again that. Compliment of the service is a big plus. Not a minus. You always going to have stories beauty of life and people were people disagree on stuff and discussion on stuff now Customer Service doesnt deal with people left on the road because they disagreed on the argument. They made friends. Mind. Transport a new transport company does that for you. Good in that sense. And we have to leave it there i wish you all the. Thank you. Same place thing. Time here i dont want to part. Where. 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