Is now what is warranted a european wide refusal to abide by i. M. F. And e. U. Economic straight jackets and will the outcome be profound geo political realignments that impact not only on the future of the e. U. But global responses to events as far afield as Venezuela Iran and hong kong because despite attacks on european nations like britain and italy from washington deals are being done to the consternation of the usas military Industrial Media complex is the arguable horror and bloomberg take on a visit from chinese leader xi jinping to room why is this such a worrying potential agreement for the u. S. And particularly for european allies its the new silk road on the symbolism i was speaking to a u. S. Official and they were saying its the symbolism of its any signing up a major country. 7 country to do so far. Hearing for a role in belton road which is felt in washington that opens up. The silk road to to the heart of europe well joining me now from washington is easily former Prime Minister carlo quarterly collar welcome to going underground so just as the u. K. Is heading for brics its on halloween and i think its really looks it arguably undermined the euro with something called a bolt you just explained to be water bought is because that i understand your observatory in to observe it your only italian public accounts is doing it has been doing some research on it he has had both as essential Treasury Bill so its a way for the government to borrow money what theyre proposing actually 1st not to the board which has been which have been around for a long time to actually be as of been around anything like in most other countries its about the socalled media bought so they tell you b. S. But we did very small then and we need to show something that i feel 50 euros 100. 00 euros maybe perhaps 500. 00 euros but not normally be said much larger than a mediation so theyre introduced because they look like bills they look like they look like money and so i believe that may result in to use them and thats actually what they mean for the proposer so actually are very they mean no reason to introduce them is that in this way people get used to seeing pieces of paper that look like money buy or not europes so theres no intention of leaving the euro on abutting you had to leave the euro. These would be people be already used to seeing pieces of paper that are not your of but they can be used for payments. To be clear the country that you were Prime Minister of for a few days back then theyre about to be disciplined by the European Commission over over violating the debt to g. D. P. Re. How would boortz help the Italian Government in being able to finance the economy and maybe escape what many believe is a kind of European Union straight jacket it will be no oil the meaning of bought our debt like any other form of debt so issued printing them does not help the stock of debt busy would increase anyway if the issue of the european call me sure would to count them as debt so theres not a way of circumventing the devils do your piano do you think they could spell the end of the euro in italy no i dont think so 1st of all parliament seem to have proved. Documents that has no. Value in this says that hes no more decision to introduce the me both but it has no immediate effect from eating a point of view that would have to be different doc shows. Other actor would have to be taken to him to use these a midi balts you dont think it may be just one of the responses its allien Government Policies may or may have to being faced with Disciplinary Procedures over austerity i mean you you believe that the Italian Government should be doing what the European Commission telling them to do i mean i dont think anything direct connection between demeaning box and and the actions that him taken by the European Commission i think it entirely as. Well as a problem with high poverty and it has not been able to use it as a show to g. D. P. The deaf you see it was supposed to be used according to do your p. R. Whose accordion my you to want to make sense as long as it is Done Gradually the problem is that the government. Does not want to reduce the deficit but that the government wants to increase it at the. It seems to be inevitable that next year the definitely will increase if the government goes ahead with the spending cuts which is spending increases which have already been approved and now the government wants to interviews the socalled flat box or anyway they want to cut the taxes which will lead to an increase in the deficit to g. D. P. Ratio next year with the size of or i think in my view this would leave early too much exposed to rediscover speculative got darker confidence crisis similar to the one that we have in 2011 for we are still paying now the consequences in tears of loss of g. D. P. But the italian electorate voted 5 and that leg because they wanted their policies not the policies of the European Commission you can see way why britain verge it breaks it surely if you dont see that the italian people want policies very different to that being mandated by the european authorities yes but honestly the problem is is not that the your p. R. Whos the province where there are those who buy government paper Italian Government paper we lean to continue to buy so lets forget about the european whos european source of always being very flexible it done you have people now supporting this government they continue to support it because the government is promising that people indeed tell you with it dire there will be dire earlier that that taxes will be katha and somehow this is not will not create a problem with the public accounts i believe that if if this is the case by i dont be i think its a very very nice good strategy the bond markets improved for italy after the discipline announcement at the European Commission so im not sure what you mean there and surely these kinds of fiscal legislation that the parties in room are talking about is a. Just keynesianism and what you are saying is new liberalism and all staring non on not at all thats. The next guy ive been arguing that in a situation in which ican freeze in a depression you need to increase public spending i argue a decent 20082009 i believe that germany now too should have a more expansion fiscal policy but is it because i dont follow ideologies i believe that the case of the thirtys the from because of high pub public that these over the very high and so im afraid of a negative Market Reaction yes spreads have declined a beat destined much higher spread to the difference between to say paid by the Italian Government income into the state paid by germany theres still twice as large as they wore last year at these time of the year before the government was forming in maida in may 2018 so spreads us to very high the im not too low they came down a bit spreads came down also for other countries it came down for greece our interests are now closer to. Paid by greece than the one paid by portugal you for you idiots is a low Interest Rate high i thing that starting from this point when the moment the delhis heat by any shock then there will be then you see this pov and so im not saying that there is going to be a crisis now im just joking about exposure to high risk ok i mean you were at the i. M. F. For a long time the i. M. F. Predicts post breaks of british real g. D. P. Growth of 1. 2 percent its the a point one percent. Can you see that why people are thinking european is going to be this. The i. M. F. Is putting their growth rate for the c os 0 point one percent the government is but the government the latest. Projections for a 0. 2 percent. It may be larger this year i made in gold 20. 4 perhaps 0. 30. 4 so. Maybe a good bit better in the short run im talking about risk for the future because of the for a g. D. P. Of the Italian Economy for something that is for a guy is like a glass a glass of dog break on its own but this soon as somebody throws a stone the grass breaks and thats what im afraid of. Or is there one other solution to all of this in terms of the risk because britain got into trouble when it recognized the the a. I. I. Be the the new world bank and i. M. F. Arguably what are you making of the fact that the Italian Government is seeking to make steps to get closer to the brics bank and to chinas built in road because clearly trist in general are entering deals with the communist party of china the China CommunicationsConstruction Group china resent during deals presumably on market terms different to the entire model you have for the way the economy works theyre not going to be as bothered by the debt you speak of all the deficit and i dont think that they thought he would be better off in terms of independence if you started depending on all on china you see is what youre suggesting you see. Solver and these movements that the National National movements in either which are behind their league for example they want them over independent vitaly i dont think that becoming very dependent on china will be a very very smart way of a becoming more independent having said nice china is a big country with a big market for you tell you next well so i think moving into. Going in the direction of having better cooperation with china is fine i would think i would do the i think it will be better to do this within the cone to solve the European Union or other thing or other countries moving one by one simply because the negotiating power of them you will be a union you stronger day and the negotiating power will be indeed a member of the European Union. Thank you after the break proud to be here again not only as americas top but but also as a man of faith theres always nearly inspired me get a chance. To travel to israel as u. S. President trump faces down his secretary of state over the deal of the century well ask York Times BestsellerDavid Horowitz if god guides us Foreign Policy and why would the u. S. And u. K. Government so quick to blame iran for explosions on ships in the persian gulf that sent poil prices spiking the ball is a ball coming up about 2 and going on the ground. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Welcome back what are we to make of the fact that u. S. Secretary of state mike pompei a was so quick to blame iran for a pair of explosions on oil tankers late last week when he has previously claimed it is possible donald trump was sent by god to save the jewish people from iranian aggression because such divine inspiration was arguably lacking under president obama when it came to Foreign Policy according to New York Times bestselling author David Horowitz his new book alleges a plot by the left to destroy the dominant religion in the United States the book is called dog agenda the water destroyed Christian America and david joins me via skype from Denver Colorado david welcome to going underground so what is the doc agenda well she left which is a war. With democratic and particularly societies particularly societies in july and youve been writing that kind of stuff for ages this is more specifically about. Its yeah sometimes the book is the war and it just sort of Christian America britain and this is due. Course its more radical and thats. Well all of the freedoms that americans cherish and i think brits probably do as well you know whatever it is equality law tolerance inclusion in a diversity theyre all christian ideas they originated with protestant christians surnamed quran so when you attack christianity in america left now isnt it once christians to keep their beliefs private and thats what it means by religious freedom whereas you really are religious liberty the 1st amendment to our constitution what it really means is not only you have the freedom to hold your beliefs but to express them if you dont have free speech and theres no free speech on our current campuses as we speak that are going to serve against you know mantri speech you cant offend any of your freedoms so in the end youre going to have nothing left in them that is needed unless it hits the freedom you know to express fears that everybody agrees with simpler kept those views that are popular is there a mention because in the book you say you view slam com ochs of course what he said but. Is there a class dimension to this and thats actually the dimension that trump and steve bannon and so on alighted on when they saw that it is the poor the in the heartlands of america that not only got him elected but that are also religious well i think thats right america doesnt really have. A strong sense of class certainly in the innocence of the great britain. Theres tremendous social mobility i did as a tell Michael Moore that were year minas bomb it thorough use phrases like that but thats what it is its were facing you know with frex it carries gravitated to other less officials and represent nobody and wish themselves at the expense of everybody else and the deeper of their the burden the middle class the lower middle class the working class so in that sense youre right theres a class dimension to this good to see you getting back to your marxist ways again david. I never saw. You know championing the underdog the reason i left the left knee has the left is the Worst Nightmare black people poor people women the Democratic Party which is now a Left Wing Socialist Party controls every inner city in america that we scientists you know that or the killing fields cardo detroit that santa Louis Baltimore theyre 100 percent controlled by the Democratic Party and they have been for 50 to 100 years so every injustice and its entirely the fault of the left im sure the democrats who deny that Bernie Sanders may differ on. What he really consider presumably a broad church of the left of the democrats but i want to ask also whether the religious religious groups around the world make your point as well was persecuting people who are other christians and jews seated see the Muslim Community as being particularly persecuted him in the patriot act and the muslim ban of trump and of the war the wars with tens of millions of him killed multiple dispense muslim there is a total vention of lesters liars look this extends. Shes the tech where 6 countries that obamacare you do agree of course that the in the religious character of this particular administration what did you make of mike pompei o claiming that trump may well have been chosen by god to save jews from iran and thats you know figure of speech but its not religious writ crying out genius but what you dont see the irony that the religious countries the United States and iran may go to war with each other but whats an irony iran is a fascist needing barbaric jew hating america hating western ating state woman hating gay or as you mentioned image a jew hating that is a big Jewish Community in iran. I understand that but theres also some 40000 iranian rockets in that jewish state but you know leaders chant death to america death to israel these are never cease in the purest sense tarsus well pretty sure the iranian government would deny that accusation we do invite the Iranian Ambassador on the show because of their having you know their practice liars as well but heres the an irony then in the fact that indians who refer to themselves as persons youre really in people are fine im talking about me well you know that most of us this book coming out now is it the wrong time for it to come out given that we have a secretary of state who claims faith as does of course the commander in chief and after all the left not on the democrats could never accept what you say about obama being on the left at all its exactly the right. This is are i mean our country isnt saying we had a totalitarian left and thats due article right to the Democratic Party so you dont give using the identity left then with the left of say Bernie Sanders and i dont have to say gabbett or a o c i mean theres a big difference between joe biden and these candidates running well you know Natalie Moore show me the democrat is still up to this or is it what where where is the democrats are descended from the public in any of their campaign or cabinet on the Supreme Court what do you make of. The response may be to your books claims that that basically roe versus wade that pioneering progressive legislation that gave choice to women you said it stifle debate well given that you go to Supreme Courts you know what is it its 9 a lawyer is a toy you could see a life by politicians now could that go. They did a senator for one of the sentences said roe v wade was decided and i thought well grounds it had nothing to do with the constitution and it was imposed on a whole nation of Diverse Communities overnight when i think my leg great friend Christopher Hitchens like the rest of the left has and it exactly upside down in the title of his book was god is that great how religion poisons everything its people who poison religion. Its a Human Institution and thats why americas freedoms are all based on limiting the power of government because government is a Human Institution and therefore its not only going to be corrupt in the way every human being has corruptions but its much much more dangerous before the reformation you could only get to heaven by going through the Catholic Church and its priests that because of you know trying to be descended from jesus that was the idea and the reformers realize that it all churches including the Catholic Church or especially are Human Institutions and therefore subject to corruption and therefore they created that the central doctrine of the reformation was the priesthood of all of the leaders and that for example included that is that each individual case is their maker one on one ok well i mean you do sound like a shiite cleric there. Thats what i think they mean are at stagg here well to respond to claims of not to them in iran and they to nation media claiming iran has been attacking ships in the persian gulf is professor Mohammad Marandi from the university of tehran he joins me from the iranian capital mohammad welcome to going underground so before we get there any events in the persian gulf or anywhere else we just heard David Horowitz that and hes calling irans mommas nazis. Hes calling your country fascist medieval barbaric jew hating western ating woman aiding gating thats what your country is yet sounds mainstream thats what we usually hear in the western media so its not very extraordinary i never understood what the mullahs mean but my boss at the university but the head of my department is a woman and we have jews in this country and we have kosher restaurants we have churches in this country and we see celebrations during christmas especially the armenian christmas in tehran and other major cities where we have christians and. Anyone who travels you run would see and know that the anti iranian up again the coming out of the western media is largely nonsense well you have some way to go on cue right i think everyone would accept that but mike pompei o the secretary of state the United States acre estate he said it is possible and we have a recording of this we have Video Evidence possible that donald trump was sent by god to predict protect the Jewish Community from a reign in aggression what do you make of that from the former cia was in the u. S. Has dropped implemented well this is the same person who speaks when cairo spoke about. All sorts of christian zionists ideas he speaks about the rapture and so on so from him everything is expected but i think that in teheran the view would be that really the United States is the greatest enemy of ordinary jews because the United States and its allies are trying to depict apartheid an apartheid colonial regime called israel as representative of the jewish people irans position on israel is identical to its position on. Apartheid south africa back of then western countries supported apartheid south Africa Nelson mandela and a. N. C. Were considered as terrorists and terrorist organization a terrorist organization well wed welcome the israeli ambassador to london really he hasnt answered any of our invitations so far will finally the b. B. C. Is called what happened to 2 oil tankers a b. B. C. Journalist here mark gerber and parent ex escalation of undeclared conflict between gulf states and iran media here all reporting that japan the japanese cargo aboard which i think was damaged as i understand it was while the japanese Prime Minister shinzo it was in terror that iran is the suspect for the 2 oil tankers exploding in the persian gulf yes it is quite odd because on the one hand this attack takes place at a time when the japanese Prime Minister has arrived in tehran after 41 years its literally an hour before his meeting with the iranian leader ayatollah harmony begins and then 2 tankers off the coast of iran are attacked its obvious that the iranians wouldnt be involved in any such thing but just says right during the attack the previous attacks a few weeks ago against the against ships off the coast of the United Arab Emirates that was also says suspicious to the iranians because it came right after bolton gave a warning that iran or iran socalled proxies or allies they want to carry out an attack on american interests over the last 2 involve National Security advisor to see whether theres any conspiracy whether real admit to it just a should also us theres been very little coverage here of the socalled asian aid to Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit what do you make of a resume bishkek including. Mody and iran can and president rouhani of iran. Because we hear that iran is isolated from the International Community one would assume that that is the case if one was to listen to the western media but actually i think the timing is very important to the iranian. Relationship with china and russia have been has been converging for a very long time as the americans are carrying out Economic Warfare against iran at the same time theyre engaging in a trade war with china that brings the 2 countries closer to each other and the deep state of the United States is destroying the u. S. Russian relationship despite trumps attempts to improve them so that has also helped to bring russia and iran closer to each other the americans are basically pushing all these countries and powers closer to one another by antagonizing everyone simultaneously professor moment ready thank you and thats it for the show will be back on wednesday 7 years to the day wiki leaks founder Julian Assange requested asylum in londons Ecuadorian Embassy fearing the extradition he now faces to the usa until then can be judged by social media. So you say that greece is the end of the series we couldnt just let josie marino walk away so we decided to treat us to a very special Farewell Party were going to. Be walking along an interesting part of the team but this time to go back to the person and thanks for putting on so she responded. With a record the only thing that i didnt enjoy was my dancing on ice in moscow my dancing. On ice. Well actually we nailed it literally there we go. There on announces it will put the roll back its compliance with the 2050 new deal if steps are not taken within the next 10 days to shield it from u. S. Sanctions. A report about delays u. S. Cyber attacks on russias power grid raises questions about whether dont trump is being briefed by his Intelligence Services on their operations. And 2 sisters in saudi arabia plead to the International Community for asylum off of the 40 something years of abuse at the hands of their parents in the kingdom they join a growing number of women looking for a way out of the gulf want to