A mediations so theyre introduced because they look like bills they look like they look like money and so i believe that may result in to use them and thats actually what they mean for the proposer stock sure yagi they mean no reason to introduce them is that in this way people get used to seeing pieces of paper that look like money buy and not curious so theres no intention of leaving the euro on abutting you had to leave that you are this would be people be already used to seeing pieces of paper that are not curable that can be used for payments. To be clear the country that you were Prime Minister of for a few days back then theyre about to be disciplined by the European Commission over over violating the debt to g. D. P. Ratios how would bought help the Italian Government in being. Able to finance the economy and maybe escape what many believe is a kind of European Union straitjacket it will be no oil demeaning bought our debt like any other form of debt so issue printing them does not help the stock of debt would increase anyway if. The european call me sure would to count them as debt so theres not a way of circumventing the devils do your piano do you think they could spell the end of the euro in italy no i dont think so 1st of all parliament seem to have proved. Documents that has no. Value in this says that hes no more decision to introduce the me both but it has no immediate effect from eating a point of view that would have to be different doc shows. Other actor would have to be taken to introduce these m e boats you dont think it may be just one of the responses its allien Government Policies may or may have to being faced with Disciplinary Procedures over austerity i mean you you believe that the Italian Government should be doing what the European Commission telling them to do i mean i dont think any said the connection between demeaning box and and the actions that him taken by the European Commission i think it entirely as. Well as a problem with high public debt and it has not been able to use it as a show to g. D. P. The deaf you see it was supposed to be used according to do your p. R. Whos an accordion my you to make sense as long as it is Done Gradually the problem is that the government. Does not want to reduce the deficit but that the government wants to increase it at least it seems to be inevitable that next year the definitely will increase. If the government goes ahead with the spending cuts which is spending increases which have already been approved and now the government wants to introduce the socalled flat box or anyway they want to cut the taxes which will lead to an increase in the deficit to g. D. P. Ratio next year with the size of or i think in my view this would leave early too much exposed to rediscover speculative got darker confidence crisis similar to the one that we have in 2011 for which we are still paying now the consequences in tears of loss of g. D. P. But the italian electorate voted 5 and that leg because they wanted their policies not the policies of the European Commission you can see way why britain verge it breaks it surely if you dont see that the italian people want policies very different to that being mandated by the european authorities yes but honestly the problem is is not that the your p. R. Whos the province where there those who buy government paper Italian Government paper are willing to continue to buy so lets forget about the european whose european suso always been very flexible it done you have people now supporting this government they continue to support it because the government is promising that people indeed that he will retire there will be tire earlier that that taxes will be katha and somehow this is not will not create a problem with the public accounts i believe that if if this is the case by i dont be i think its a very very risky strategy the bond markets improved for italy after the discipline announcement at the European Commission so im not sure what you mean there and surely these kinds of fiscal legislation that the parties in room are talking about isnt that just keynesianism and what youre saying is. New liberalism and austerity and on not at all thats. The next guy ive been arguing that in a situation in which it can freeze in a depression you need to increase public spending i are going to sing 20082009 i believe that germany now too should have a more expansion fiscal policy but is it because i dont follow ideologies i believe that the keys of the thirtys the from because of high pub public that these over the very high and so im afraid of a negative Market Reaction yes spreads have declined a beat destined much higher spread is the difference between the interest they paid by the Italian Government and the interest they paid by germany theres still twice as large as they wore last year at these time of the year before the government was forming in maida in may 2018 so spreads us to very high they are not too low they came down a bit spreads came down also for other countries it came down for greece our interests are now closer to. Paid by greece than the one paid by portugal if for you d. C. Is low Interest Rate high i think the starting from this point when the moment the delis heat by any shock then there will be you see this program so im not saying that there is going to be a crisis now im just looking at about exposure to higher risk ok i mean you were at the i. M. F. For a long time the i. M. F. Predicts post brics a british real g. D. P. Growth of 1. 2 percent its really a point one percent. Can you see that why people are thinking european is going to be this is nice to the i. M. F. Of is but their growth rate for the c. 00 point one percent the government is but the government the latest. Projections were 0. 2 percent in may be larger this year i made in gold 20. 00 perhaps 0. 30. 4 so. Maybe a good bit better in the short run im talking about risks for the future because of the for g. D. P. Of the Italian Economy for something that is for a guy is like a glass a glass of dog break on its own but this soon as somebody throws a stone the grass breaks and thats what im afraid of. Or is there one other solution to all of this in terms of the risk because britain got into trouble when it recognize the the a i b the the new world bank and i. M. F. Arguably what are you making of the fact that the Italian Government is seeking to make steps to get closer to the brics bank and to chinas built in road because clearly trist in general are entering deals with the communist party of china the China CommunicationsConstruction Group china resent during deals presumably on market terms different to the entire model you have for the way the economy would theyre not going to be as bothered by the debt you speak of all the deficit i dont think that the 30 will be better off in terms of independence if you start to depending on all on china if he sees what youre suggesting you see. Solver and his movements and the National National movements in either which are behind their leg up for example they want them over independent vitaly i dont think that becoming very dependent on china will be a very very smart way of a becoming more independent having said these china is a big country its a big market for you tell you next well so i think moving into. Going in the direction of having better cooperation we china is fine i would think i would do the i think would be better to do this within the cone to solve the European Union rather than the or other countries moving one by one simply because the negotiating power of then youll be a union you stronger day and the negotiating power will be indeed a members of the European Union. Thank you after the break proud to be here again not only as americas top but but also as a benefit theres always nearly inspired to get a chance. To travel to israel as u. S. President trump faces down the secretary of state over the deal of the century we asked New York Times bestseller David Horowitz if god guides us Foreign Policy and why would the u. S. And u. K. Government so quick to blame iran for explosions on ships in the persian gulf that sent oil prices spiking oliseh ball coming up about 2 and going on the ground. The trumping ministration he is again obsessed with the random without evidence or facts iran is simply to blame for everything under the sun and then there is john bolton for his days at the National Security council number. We had one man 3540 years old. This child in the water. Some 30 fisherman later in the. I guess the. Elements you want to know something and i. Believe that this is one that. Is so. Tom. And its really harsh things that happened tonight. You know worlds big partisan movie lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Welcome back what are we to make of the fact that us secretary of state mike pompei i was so quick to blame iran for a pair of explosions on oil tankers late last week when he has previously claimed it is possible donald trump was sent by god to save the jewish people from iranian aggression because such divine inspiration was arguably lacking under president obama when it came to Foreign Policy according to New York Times bestselling author David Horowitz his new book alleges a plot by the left to destroy the dominant religion in the United States the book is called. Aka gender the water destroyed Christian America and david joins me via skype from Denver Colorado david welcome to going underground so well what is the dark agenda well actually the agenda of the left which is a war. With democratic and particularly societies and particularly societies and stressing into why its even writing that kind of stuff for ages this is more specifically about questions about c. M. T. Its summertime the book is the word to sort of Christian America breadwinners and you and theres an agnostic. And of course a former radical and thats because. Well all of the freedoms that americans cherish and i think brits probably do as well you know whatever it is equality law tolerance inclusion in a diversity theyre all christian ideas they originated with protestant christians surnamed quran so when you attack christianity in america left now isnt it once christians to keep their beliefs private and thats what it means by religious freedom whereas you really are religious liberty the 1st amendment to our constitution what it really means is not only you have the freedom to hold your beliefs but to express them if you dont have free speech and theres no free speech on our current campuses as we speak that are going servitors you know mantra speech you cant defend any of your freedoms so in the end youre going to have nothing left in them that is needed unless its the freedom you know to express fears that everybody agrees with this to protect those views that are popular is there a mention because in the book you say you view slam com ochs of course what he said but. Is there a class dimension to this and thats actually the dimension that trump and steve bannon and so on alighted on when they saw that it is the poor the in the heartlands of america that not only got him elected but that are also religious thing thats right america doesnt really have. A strong sense of class certainly in the innocence of the great britain. Theres tremendous social mobility i did as a tell Michael Moore the one where yeah i mean this bomb it thorough use phrases like that but thats what it is its we are facing you know with frex it carries gravitated to of elected officials who represent nobody and wish themselves at the expense of everybody else and the deeper will bear the burden the middle class the lower middle class the working class so in that sense youre right it is a class dimension to this good to see you getting back to your marxist ways again david. Ive never stuck. You know championing the underdog the reason i left the left new has the left is the Worst Nightmare black people poor people women the Democratic Party which is now a left wing substance Party Controls every inner city in america of any size but you knows or the killing fields card of detroit that st Louis Baltimore there are 100 percent controlled by the Democratic Party and they have been for 50 to 100 years so every injustice and entirely the fault of the left im sure the democrats who deny that Bernie Sanders may differ on. What he really consider presumably a broad church of the left of the democrats but i want to ask also whether the religious religious groups around the world make your point as well was persecuted people in the world are christians and jews seated see the Muslim Community as being particularly persecuted him in the patriot act and the muslim band of trump and of the war the wars with tens of millions of him killed was it will dispense muslim there has its own tension of lesters liars look this extends. She says he picked were 6 countries that obama bet you do agree of course that the in the religious character of this particular ministration what did you make of mike pompei or claiming that trump may well have been chosen by god to save jews from iran and thats you know figure of speech but its not religious writ crying out genius but what you dont see the irony that the religious countries the United States and iran may go to war with each other but whats an irony iran is a fascist needing barbaric jew hating america hating western a state woman hating gay or as you mentioned image of jew hating that is a big Jewish Community in iran. I understand that but theres also some 40000 iranian rockets aimed at the jewish state but you know leaders chant death to america death to israel these are never cease in the purest sense tarsus pretty sure the iranian government would deny that accusation we do invite the Iranian Ambassador on the show because of their i mean you know their practice liars as well but european irony then in fact the indians who refer to themselves as persons you really and people are fine im talking about me well you know that most of us this book coming out now is it the wrong time for it to come out given that we have a secretary of state who claims faith as does of course the commander in chief and after all the left not on the democrats could never accept what you say about obama being on the left or tool its exactly the right. This is i mean our country isnt saying we had a totalitarian left and i dont and thats due article right to the Democratic Party so you dont give using the identity left then with the left of say Bernie Sanders and i dont have to see gabbett or a o c i mean theres a big difference between joe biden and these candidates running well you know not only more show me the democrat is still up to this or is it what where where is the democrat and descended from the public in any of their campaign or cabinet on the Supreme Court what do you make of. The response may be to your books claims that that basically roe versus wade that pioneering progressive legislation that gave choice to women you said it stifle debate well given that you go to Supreme Courts you know what is it its 9 a lawyer is a toy you could see a life by politicians now could that go. They did a senator for one of the sentences said roe v wade was decided and i thought well of grounds it had nothing to do with the constitution and it was imposed on a whole nation of Diverse Communities overnight when i think my legs friend Christopher Hitchens like the rest of the left has said it exactly upside down in the title of his book was god is that great how religion poisons everything its people who poison religion. Its a Human Institution and thats why americas freedoms are all based on limiting the power of government because government is a Human Institution and therefore its not only going to be corrupt in the way every human being has corruptions but its much much more dangerous before the reformation you could only get to heaven by going through the Catholic Church and its priests that because of you know in trying to be descended from jesus that was the idea and the reformers realize that it all churches including the Catholic Church or especially our Human Institutions and therefore subject to corruption and therefore they created that the central doctrine of the reformation was the priesthood of all of the leaders and that for example included that is that each individual faces their maker one on one ok well i mean you do sound like a shia cleric then your followers thats what i think they mean arent stagg here well to respond to claims of not to them in iran and they do nation media claiming iran has been attacking ships in the persian gulf is professor Mohammad Marandi from the university of tehran he joins me from the iranian capital mohammad welcome to going underground so before we get to any events in the persian gulf or anywhere else we just heard David Horowitz that and hes calling irans mullahs nazis. Hes calling your country fascist medieval barbaric jew hating western aging woman aging gay aging thats what your country is yet sounds mainstream thats what we usually hear in the western media so its not my boss at the university but the head of my department is a woman and we have jews in this country and we have kosher restaurants we have churches in this country and we see celebrations during christmas especially the armenian christmas in tehran and other major cities where we have christians and. Anyone who travels you run would see and know that the anti iranian up again the coming out of the western media is largely nonsense well you have some way to go on cue right i think everyone would accept that but mike pompei o the secretary of state the United States actors state he said it is possible and we have a recording of this we have Video Evidence possible that donald trump was sent by god to predict protect the Jewish Community from a rain in aggression what do you make of that from the former cia was in the u. S. Has dropped implemented well this is the same person who speaks when cairo spoke about. All sorts of christian zionists ideas he speaks about the rapture and so on so from him everything is expected but i think that in teheran the view would be that really the United States is the greatest enemy of ordinary jews because the United States and its allies are trying to depict apartheid an apartheid colonial regime called israel as representative of the jewish people irans position on israel is identical to its position on apartheid south africa back of then western countries supported apartheid south africa. Nelson mandela and a and c. Were considered as terrorists and terrorist organization terrorist organization well wed welcome the israeli ambassador to london really he hasnt answered any of our invitations so far will finally the b. B. C. Is called what happened to 2 oil tankers a b. B. C. Journalist here mark gerber and parent ex escalation of undeclared conflict between gulf states and iran media here all reporting that japan the japanese cargo aboard which i think was damaged as i understand it was while the japanese Prime Minister shinzo it was in tehran that iran is the suspect for the 2 oil tankers exploding in the persian gulf yes it is quite odd because on the one hand this attack takes place at a time when the japanese Prime Minister has arrived in tehran after 41 years its literally an hour before his meeting with the iranian leader ayatollah harmony begins and then 2 tankers off the coast of iran are attacked its obvious that the iranians wouldnt be involved in any such thing but just says right during the attack the previous attacks a few weeks ago against the against ships off the coast of the United Arab Emirates that was also suspect suspicious to the iranians because it came right after bolton gave a warning that iran or iran socalled proxies or allies they want to carry out an attack on american interests over last year involved National Security advisor to see whether theres any conspiracy whether real admit to just a should also us theres been very little coverage here of the socalled asian nato Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit what do you make of reason bishkek including xi Jinping Putin modi and their own current and president rouhani of iran because we hear that iran is isolated from the International Community one would assume that that. It is the case if one was to listen to the western media but actually i think the timing is very important to the iranian. Relationship with china and russia have been has been converging for a very long time the americans are carrying out Economic Warfare against iran at the same time they are engaging in a trade war with china that brings the 2 countries closer to each other and the deep state of the United States is destroying the us russian relationship despite trumps attempts to improve them so that has also helped to bring russia and iran closer to each other the americans are basically pushing all these countries and powers closer to one another by antagonizing everyone simultaneously were present moment ready thank you and thats it for the show will be back on wednesday 7 years to the day wiki leaks founder Julian Assange requested asylum in londons Ecuadorian Embassy fearing the extradition he now faces to the usa until then to be judged by social media. Why a paradise with some around turned into a round the experimentation field for agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritants theres no question otherwise why would that the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people who have one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. Starting really in the 1980s under reagan and that are in deregulation you had the fed takeover and their sole purpose at that point was to try to squeeze workers completely out of the Global Economy so wages never went up real terms sensed that but stock markets keep going up and the reason to justify this is that the fed will say we need to try to take care of deflation even know that they are causing to flourish and in an environment where their money printing is increasing the debt. What do you do before you came here where did you work before you came here when you lived. Death row in many u. S. States Capital Punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution and most of the time the victims families they are very much in favor of the Death Penalty there are some people because of what they do have given up the right to live among us some even proven innocent. 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