Then i realized somethings wrong again i think many people are like that which of people who are drugs or cover the fight against true ugs they realized something was wrong indeed it is clear that there was a massive abuse of Legal Process in case of a mongolian else ever asked he was denied immediate access to his attorney he had bodily injuries on a lot and information about his case shared with mass media was not always true to the fact in one of your interviews you mentioned meeting with some of the senior ranks in the police what do they say involved these breaches of procedure if you. Look i did talk to the chief Moscow Police general. And i asked him could you please explain to me that i arrived in moscow on the night train and i met with him the next morning i asked him could you please explain this situation to me and maybe i dont know something maybe i dont understand so i started talking to him and it was you know i realized that. He didnt have answers to my questions when he started calling his subordinates phone we had to clarify one thing after another so the Moscow Police she got was not food where all this situation based on my conversation with general public is so i told him could i please talk as you. Want to get it working on this case i dont want to meddle but i have to understand whats going on is that i want to show the words lately holes are released thats my work as a journalist and i did talk to some of the detectives and i didnt talk a lot because thats when they moved the van to a hospital and i went there and you know and what was their view on that i think well detectives told me it was all right though i doubt they told me were fighting drugs we dont have to be sorry moneys with drug dealers so its ok when i does see. When i talk to general boron of though he couldnt answer my questions and it was very obvious you know you asked me whether i had other context when i was in sync with his words were i saw prosecutor general cheika they are and i knew that something was wrong with the case so immediately and i wrote a letter i asked him to personally oversee this matter you know and i gave this letter to prosecutor general gave it to his aides and they took the letter and they took it will see him. And i know you probably the Prosecutor Generals Office will oversee this matter i dont want to meddle in the investigation im just asking questions you know thats what journalists do. You know what thats what the odds are not as well as a journalist and we do expect that from the police and high degree of accuracy when templin the information is not but as i was shocked to hear some of the statements made by senior criminal intelligence detective dennis going to hollar found that showed us in particular that if you handle enough allegedly had drugs in his systems increases. Now we all know that it was a false test seeking clean when you know it was quite a bold lie to make me ill and yet this particular the taxi was employee of the year in 2018 would simple press what would be in order to do to assure the public that such detectives as mr kind of all of these they are not typical let alone the best not employees into dark police force to study this labor. Look. Its a weird situation i agree i did not talk to detectives on about the i may talk to humiliate or at least i asked on pneumococcal as if i could talk to him he couldnt say such a thing because there was no test like a detective and you have to. Write what do you couldnt say that well thats the problem will supply so i want to ask you jenny is did you say that if its been recorded that that was not it can be true because if we want to find out whether a person that has taken drugs we need to run a test and it takes some time but i think that an experienced detective will never say that especially if hes the best by the way by the way out there so heres an interesting thing. When i talk to his colleagues in the particulars they confirmed that he was a top never know so it doesnt it because on the one hand you have more ginnys kind of toff professional on the other hand there is this obvious mistake so you need to examine the situation investigation has to continue even to even go no it is all cleared about and released and i hope hes released because at this point there is no evidence nothing no reason to believe him behind bars the investigation though has to. Look to see where their evidence but it would have been planted or whether it was an accident or this was a premium to the stated deal somebody did that and we saw think investigation has to continue investigations they have seen to this in. Yes to gaze at the not investigation against. Or danis the investigation has to continue and the perpetrators have to be identified and Punishment Police officers in this case have to be either punished or cleared every Police Officer from the Moscow Police chief to the lowest ranking investigator say that in your interviews you keep reminding everyone that the investigations that should be guided by the innocent until Proven Guilty over and simple which is a foundational principle of the russian Justice System and then seems to me that this principle requires the investigation to concede there are at the very least a probability of some of the police being criminally involved in this case that would show a proper degree of impartiality but do you think its possible you know what the Police Actually see this through or get themselves out on the other court the most i mean its well this is something you have to spiral out of them slowly you know every Law Enforcement agency has an internal affairs unit up at the is right you know which investigates crimes perpetrated by Law Enforcement professionals thats why we have so many special reasons for Police Officers you know were all human. Nobodys an angel in new zealand and in every profession you have some bad apples but each case has to be treated or separately and then there is the question of whether this was a crime or a mistake you go on the you have to differentiate between the 2 you know i have this question why did they grab a van gaal a knob on the street you look up if you say drug dealer you may have to get him in the act of selling or buying drugs and they told me well he acted weird he had red eyes and hes a swan which i said you know what a minute. Ive done the night train my eyes are red and my other bases. But so should you rest. Or do you share any other evidence of you have to study all the spirit carefully but most of you must see that its personal always so you can say everybodys guilty or of the everybody is innocent but its always personal. Nonetheless sins detective kind of oliver i mentioned earlier was the employee of the year and his the other was this raises questions it makes the public wonder yes and whether this is how it works maybe just something went wrong yes can i were talking about some bad apples as in the case of tortures in the Guantanamo Bay prison or its something that happens all the time when you have kept an eye on the russian Law Enforcement for quite a while what does your got to tell us i mean is this exception for the rule. Well when they break 8 of the evidence thats an exception but when they run a cover up to protect their agency thats a rule well because there are Different Levels here. I can imagine how the boss of the tactical kind of all feels the most because it just cant abide that hes thinking like this cant be right all kind of all over professionally you also there are always levels there is one person committed the crime and then there are others involved in the cover up your lack of because they dont believe he could have committed such a thing with each one of them have been going on about whats his name yes and hes boss you have to study what each one of them did he personally your hunch is that i would like to ask you one more question about professional solidary a year ago this same their record thats recently released going off ending trial sentenced an activist a communist party member to 3 years in prison on similar dropped charges and a very similar circumstances what would you say. To those people who accuse journalists but i mean by us i mean double standards and stepping up only to protect their own so to saying. Well this is what is the look of who the journalists are always buys and people are biased and so for example youre asking me about this case and i dont remember it for me well ive only been does it covered this case a year ago before no matter which way that one of the i well maybe reek of or 2 but i dont remember it up with another you know that i missed it were talking about more affectionate solidarity and youre right its so were talking about journalists that you know. So when they see that deal being punished by at them not for something he did the work is professional lessons it is suddenly your job this is professional solidarity and its a very powerful state already but its the same with the workers or Police Officers that come up with thats the way to work so whether you like it or not at the mystery of an addict i think we need to take a short break now well be back in just a few moments after a short break. What politicians do you should. Put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Some want to be preached. To like the press is like a tree in the morning people are. Interested in the long hours. They said. We are in strange situations where everybody is making a lot of noise about. Military action against iran but nobody in the part of that alliance actually wants to do it theres no desire for it so do you hope that the iran makes a mistake. Somehow. And then does it some kind of confrontation and then the iranians will be forced to come to the table you know begging for some kind of solution on american terms but you know i think that is dreaming thats a. Feel welcome you. Normal guy called. A member of the real world will know welsh up in the open noticing your ocean cruiser. Up on the board. With a boy in the sleeves. And all. You would need just new york city but im still. Sleeping disorder on yes yes. But if i wanted something. New for the church. Bell i dealt with the idea of going to the local butcher based on what. You own what one would you would please leave the chest out and look at your bullshit i would have looked this up which you. Are. Welcome back to all the parts that i like save you need to add a change here. If they have a radio station. Were going to the data published by the end jail russian behind bars over the past 15 years of the number of convictions on drug related charges has tripled in russia whereas the overall number of convictions has gone down significantly faster since you are in contact with the Law Enforcement officials can you say you want is it so that the crime solving rate is growing specifically for the drug related crimes unit is that because thats what really happens i may be told about some policy although it looks like the crime rate goes up. The crime detection rate is actually going down over the past 20 years. The drug market at least as far as what i was told by generals and politicians the market will triple or quadruple if you have synthetic drugs so on maybe politicians didnt pay enough attention to the problem number one this is a pandemic. Endemic in big cities from. The number of transactions growing the crime rate and going up and the detection rate. And you have a large number of people. Who got involved but i think its an accident that its either an accident that or evidence is in favor gated against them because this is a character assassination if i want to destroy you of your to do i in either say that you your children or i will drugs dont use that a lot of money this will destroy your reputation. That is and as i said many of those who support yvonne have made public statements saying that drug charges are against yvonnes character and his professional activity that he would. Never do anything like this but the russian criminal code does not take into account the defendants personality characteristics that might all speak to the absence of the motive that im aware thats not thats not they dont we open rates based on hard evidence in this case the drugs found what do you think it will be enough in of on going off case. But were is a drug dealing show me when did he deal drugs. Theres no drug dealing there is no evidence no material evidence that he had something on his own and. So he didnt have drugs he didnt take drugs what more than that if i understand it correctly his fingerprints were not found. Each other and know of in get prints lets wait for the d. N. A. Test not a point there is nothing yet there is no facts you will let alone motive your motive is always to get treated short to use drugs like no other motive but father is no facts no fact will be drug dealing which at the end now they will have to prove this not only to have enough but also to the Public Opinion so if you want to write some but some and i said the most coke always perfectly right when she says that it has to be perfectly transparent goes and we all have to see have it in it it didnt happen at this point there is nothing left in this allow me one more question as i believe you are an expert on this that on the speaking know these things in general this simplified version of the proof procedure has become possible in particular for cases that hold on to the article 2288 of the criminal code at least partially thanks to the fact that the illegal Drug Trafficking and whole drug related crimes have been acknowledged a bigger threat to the Public Safety than corruption which is something that yvonne and his supporters are accusing the police at that dia is it fair do you think its a fair price that. At this point of time in contemporary russia. Is drug related crimes an hour and much bigger threat to the security of the nation than the corruption crimes duty because weve got the remember how do you measure would pose is greater threat. But youre right about one thing people do want tougher punishment for drug dealers and for corrupt officials. Because of the but you might see corruption thats just if you lean barn meant well live in where is drugs like i said we all have children in that whats and were afraid for our children thats why we want tougher punishment for people dealing drugs with the ill to our children even though we have them yet at the same time just like you sad many activists and professionals who say that many have been convicted unfairly and they have children too right the same could happen to each and every one of us and it goes without saying that the public would rather have the enforcement agencies they can trust. In the right what the money issue for they need to watch but thats the problem you see you always have to choose between one thread and in another thread you must so this intolerance to drug dealing with little slips of watched it prevail luck at this is was on the what cause i believe those who adopt this simplified procedure to do this may be wrong but some people support that you know it was one a couple of said lets go back to my example of you guinea roys women were good but that he criticized him for mistreating those drug dealers at the chaining them. Eaters people loved that people supported that of preelection he knew that the mayor of yet youre in bergen this was not after all those accusations. Of people who loved him. It was thought that he was in the top of the limo on drug dealers but now in the case of a bun go no we see the other side of the metal water which every now we simplified procedure can be used to accuse any person for stealing drugs so people should consider that maybe the time has come for us to reconsider and change of this procedure. And those up with many in the west see russia as a state of rigid talk or a sane with centralized power and vertical policy making practices do you think that program and may have anything to do with a bomb going off case the myth of what do you mean yet could you know it was google did not get the whats up with arrange this whole situation. I know i can do just because but i know that your president putin was very interested in the celestial report all my your that stuff human rights ombudsman general of moscow. To the president at the upper what it was a special report you dont often have that was all the kremlin monitors this situation would you see people protesting if you because of the goal no case thousands of people some people of all sorts of political views you have journalists. And russia today networks to the boston snob signing the same petition away dont see ourselves as Opposing Side work well i mean that we have all sorts of people the whole range people of all sorts of political with an ethical abuse only subscribing to the same declaration you know i remember one situation where we were together in the hood and said but i d. If you have the will be lol sorts of people every day of the benedict of life at the supporting this this must be right about that in your view of the lukewarm or how far do you think this intolerance might go because one of the most recent investigations my upon call enough was into the. Funeral business at the pound there are some indications that that the son of the internal Affairs Minister might have a share in it these and youre saying that the kremlin is keeping an eye on this investigation do you believe that the kremlin is interested enough in letting it run its full course a deal despite of all possible involvements whether on personal or institutional levels and that and how it might affect the reputations of some people or agencies if they dont think that overwhelms the alleged although i have to tell you you have been misinformed in the van gogh no case there are no children of ministers involved in the what we have there is a large criminal business and neither the minister nor the mayor can do anything. Or this business has been going on for a very long time for 18 years so at least in moscow you know. And this is why youve gone and the people in the Mayors Office who helped him with his investigation the reason why they were so brave you have a lot of people being killed was in this business its like sicily and distributed as a criminal business its like in the movies when you stop like oneself and i bet and you since youre out with people like minister call a call 7 mayor sabbaton unable to do anything about it it just means there are some very high ranking people on the other side you know helping those from an else and this situation will move with a van gogh nobody arrest of a bomb going off this is what caught the brown ones attention and what the so i think now that you have the streisand effect now the kremlin really wants to see whats going on with this business of who else is involved there im sure the president puts and has instructed us to look into this matter as if. Its russia beats all other major powers in terms of the police force numbers per capita of the civil population the government to realize a lot on the police if i Russian Police has been reformed more than once ive yet on the last the legal culture in the Russian Police force and ive had enough leaves much to be desired to be honest as a mongo enoughs case clearly has shown us how Congress Since you have been following these reforms closely why do you think these initiatives keep rambling a bit of what you mean well 1st of all there are too many different agencies and they overlap overlap in their incompetence is jers dictions hole at the revenue well down the interests that Something Different at that sets apart from their professional duty is so thats the 1st reason in our respect the efforts by a minister called called sell it he tries to reform the system but rushes the federation. And yet the few doubts that within each province you have special Interest Groups special rules are causally lustration doesnt worry me as we know from experience that takes a lot of africa a lot of consideration you can do it overnight up with that there was an attempt to set up separately police force for drugs a lot of we had ordered the. Agency and i know that there are still arguing in the kremlin whether it was the right decision to pull a bill or shut it down with it but this agency maybe we should have Something Like what they have in the us the drug Enforcement Agency the jurys still out on slips the problem is that the crumlin doesnt have a clear concept called believes should work and what they have different opinions and its nice to have different opinions in a democracy but when you talk about Law Enforcement. So you want to have it lira system in that and the last question it has happened to in russia that massive changes over there have been brought about by some tragic events im sure you remember they case of private situ regarding hazing in the army right and id like to remind you that the problem has been solved thats almost entirely because of soldiers mothers this each of case stood up and what the defense minister and i told the syria do call did do that there is almost no hazing now they were many cases like that for instance the case of admiral openness and upon which helped ease the pain killer rules for Cancer Patients and the right do you think yvonne gall a novice case may bring about massive changes to. The i think youre right at all and unless people forget about this case by the end of the news cycle i think the go in of case will provide us with an opportunity to reconsider their rules for investigating drug related crimes and to think once again about setting a separate drug Enforcement Agency mr venediktov thank you very much for your time and i doubt if you are sticking to this conversation going our social media pages at. The same place same time here and all the part. Is your officer. Told you to get up off the ground serve began to. Sound sounds or maybe. I mean a grown man like wrestling essentially the officer who. Drew his or her own. Individual twisted away from the officer. Out of his crib. 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