Proposing tighter preelection media regulation blaming you tube bloggers for the partys losses in the e. U. Parliament. So why rules should apply for Digital Content easy. To discuss. C. D. U. Media policy as in the future of democracy. The man himself will be here in about an hours time with a full look. Allowing welcome to cross through considered im Peter Lavelle leads have supper. Another humiliating black eye and bloody nose all across europe voters put the elites on notice the status quo is not working for the people this surge to the right and the rise of populism maybe a game changer was the elites now listen. Crosstalk in the e. U. Elections im joined by my guest john white and hes a political commentator and writer in brussels we have here is an independent journalist and in paris we cross to francesco so rich you know he is Deputy Director at c. E. Sciences poll all right gentlemen crossed means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate it lets go to luke in brussels lets go to the belly of the beast itself how is brussels meaning the e. U. Stomaching these Election Results because you cant say they were unexpected maybe a point here or maybe a point there but more or less it was expected there would be a populous would do well the right more right wing parties would do well and we have to point out in spain the left did pretty well there as well but theres certainly you cant say its a protest vote anymore the trends are there and the and the number of people that went out to vote were quite astounding considering european elections. Elections are not that popular with with voters but they it was this time around so luke what is changed go ahead. What i would say they are saying much for the moment to play stymie and brussels is preparing itself for designating the president of the commission and the all the president s of the Council Parliament etc in the coming weeks so. This is a moment where of course you can reflect upon the results and these results are as fantastically good often testicular bad as expected because you have 27 countries 28 still with a britain that participated and the. Well makes it that it is more bland than expected but the victory of the populist the socalled populist stare they now must to something must have Something Like 25 percent of the voting to European Parliament which is quite big at the less than expected maybe and the greens on the other side and the other major when i was with them that was a spring of 2 traditional parties and the liberals defending just their turf the extreme left is also down at european level of course there are differences National Differences but generally speaking that was expect ok well john in edinburgh i mean i do the european elitist can say well its business as usual the elections are over we move forward i mean the people have spoken there and their voice is getting louder in louder in more focused here i mean whats democracy for a plea leads dont react to it go ahead john yeah but these are leaks of incapable of reacting to the words of coal marks the source of who are unable to control the power of the netherworld that they have called out by their spells they are the architects of their own demise and to paraphrase teller own they have lived nothing and forgotten everything we have learned nothing from the brics a vote in the u. K. 2016 learned nothing from the election over you know skeptic telling coolish in government last year and the forgotten everything about the impact of the server just entity that the people of greece in violation of the countrys democratic will in 2015 so these people are incapable of changing or they can do is carry on as if nothings happened move along nothing to see here and theyre heading for a crash because what these european elections continue to indicate is in inexhaustible momentum of you know skepticism from the right and posing the question that either the e. U. Did cheese me a little isms new liberalism or its peoples will the e. U. The format is not happening and a lot of as protests going on in paris i mean i think one more important takeaway from it all is that there is a growing part of the european electorate there are they want more. Their sovereignty back or at least not they dont want to keep ceding it away and i think that that is a very important political cultural expression on the part of a lot of voters because these voters are very motivated to get out they have something that they either they want to gain something more or stop losing what theyve been losing inside the European Union go ahead in paris. I think i think youre right i will see it wrong at the same time because let me explain to you because there is not some not so clear fact that he its true that we were expecting a. Slew of euro skeptics but these are the only a few counties and not by chance is the counties where actually the. Need is. Carrying the body. My own country that where of course we have been suffering the most from the wrong obviously as you mentioned before but not not only not know how does this happen in some other countries its a very different way of protests that came out most not of these new green parties that have been doing very well at almost so. I mean them im always trying to. Restrain from simply sticking to patients on one side of the room. And not only in europe of course not in europe i mean fighting against what you call the elite that would pull this war but then youre saying these policies are using the challenge but its not true sure that the un sort of your people who want us lets read the fury that these soldiers home you know that so that they were very very spare thats a very fair point ok but i think what people they know what they dont want right now that thats the stage were in right now they know what they dont want here that lets go back to luke air i mean can i get something on that just a few words because then go ahead go ahead go ahead and. On both sides the those lets say the europeans who are still the majority to find i mean they dont know what they want because we see in the europeans you have everything you have those who see it up and keep going with going to forms those who say we should reform europe and make it more fair that an eccentric setter among the no new hook in the uterus also. Might mean he tries to forge an alliance we are by for example and we. Forget you know these guys say that we. You know so little stereo that you can hear me knowing hes not you know so you see you see within 2 camps you know so much theyre very. Very hard to see how european and i could be involved from here its a very interesting lets go back to look here i mean ive often been very critical of the democracy deficit in the European Union the distance between the the the voters and i will continue to use the term elites because thats what they are theyre very pampered and well taken care of elites in europe ok but one of the things i think is very important is that there is a democratic surge people want to use the ballot box what i worry about is that these people that want to hear their voice heard they will be continued to be ignored and i think that is what the real danger is here because people who want to use democracy to change their lives thats what they expect go ahead and brussels. Well you are absolutely right i think that the people will not be pleased by the solutions that will be found by the traditional parties that will of course continue with our style and majority of typically pro european parties by the way were all pro european were all europeans we know that even the brits who want to leave they feel europeans who we have something in common of course we do but we dont want to have this United States of europe that the present elitist trying to impose on us and immigration that they try to impose in a globalist view that people refuse to see is of course also that people might not realize it but the traditional parties have manipulated the Committee Work in the European Parliament for example not to give any power any decision to the populists so these parties start ready have now Something Like 25 percent but you should also count the audubon be in the Christian Democratic Group you should council so the conservatives the conservative group not only the british ones but who. Also very sovereignty very much for the National Identity so all these people feel National Identity 1st and they wont get it and there are well into decisions that will be taken by the next parliament will show what they are watching whats wrong for wanting to defend your countrys sovereignty i you know i really dont like how people criticize that word populist ok i mean populate it because you want to defend your own country your own sovereignty your own borders thats a thats a dirty word i really hate how the Mainstream Media pollutes our politics go ahead in edinburgh. Where we have to be careful when you talk about National Sovereignty peter or a war such as National Interest that has no National Interest in any country there are class interests and i personally cannot die on the whole of british so frontier given britains role in the world going back 500 years as a corneal imperialist state but the point that comes to the point of a democracy and whats wrong a question of the rise of nationalism that weve seen and i want to play a cutting is due to conditions of economic and extremists caused by the Global Economic crash in 2008 and the refusal of the proponents of neo liberalism to recognise that this model is a corpse it doesnt work and theyve only keep it alive through life support under austerity programs and thats only deepening the problem so its economic at the heart of this issue and democracy is a symptom of that and its being refracted through nationalism and national particularism in paris so i see you nodding your head go ahead jump in. I think. Somebody say a few years ago it was little clinton yes exactly. The surge of National Interests coincide with the moment we stopped. Being and that. Was. Not enough people like me by the. Policies since 2010 i think i still believe the best way to serve the family and the french and the germany this is within europe how can we compete im talking to you in russia and we compete with russia. How can how can we compete with china how can we compete weve been at that state so the best we can serve. Is to serve the european interests not the problem is that youre not mean served in the past 10 years and thats why the concept. That is not a long Term Solution can be a short Term Solution will never be a long Term Solution ok gentlemen im going to jump in when i think its very interesting here is that you know this always gets down to the argument to either. Limit centralization or to increase integration and thats a point well talk about when we return here after a short break well continue our discussion on the e. U. Elections state. There would never be peace unless there will be a palestinian state there will never be a rise in the fall of the state of israel without the palestinian state all of those that hold the moderates countries who somehow call rate we something that. They wrecked the 2 state solution is a mistake and none of the countries will come forward unless there will be proposed solutions on the basis of 2 states. Welcome back across town where all Things Considered im peter welch remind you were discussing the e. U. Elections. Ok lets go back to luke in brussels i mean francesca a man had a very interesting point in the 1st part of the program here you know of about how italy and the you know it deals with the world and how the European Union deals with the world and it seems like every single crisis point of this project somebody says sort of elite say we need to integrate more we need the United States of europe but not one single citizen of the European Union its ever voted for such a proposition its just assumed that its the right way to go to get out of a crisis but you dont ask the people and thats why i think this election is very important here and if these parties in the parliament are not going to be allowed on committees and all that it does show is a lack of democratic commitment on the part of the elites its just going to perpetuate the frustration so many people have because as i said in the introduction this program the status quo isnt working for the average person luke after my diatribe there go ahead and brussels. So as you say you know we all feel europeans but we dont want what they have in stock for us and and the little games in brussels the people really dont like when they hear about it they theyre not really interested the distance is too high too too big between the citizens in their country and europe in brussels or in sa school by the way said hospital brussels thats crazy to have this move every month between one capital and the other thats thats really crazy they should decide once and for all but they have been things that are you know really disgusting martin said meyer who was the secretary of mystic has been designated in a corrupt way the general secretary of the administration of the i mean this b. And now of course hes of the party of mrs merkel and now the part of mrs merkel the c. D. U. C. S. U. That they want to have missed of a but as the president of the European Commission what else i mean this is a little games and little power caves that should stop in the coming days and weeks they will have to decide who will be the president of the European Commission the executive arm and replace them concur and that promises some some difficult discussions ok in germany its go back to edinburgh i mean the European Economic community i was a big fan of that ok because it wasnt about it didnt take your sovereignty away from you but actually the you found synergies with other european economies and thats what should be happening right now ok that it is building of the United States of europe it is a its a fools errand because you know what ive been to greece and ive been to scotland and ive been to a lot theyre very very different places ok why you have to you know square the circle with all of them in it ok i can i do get it you know that the low countries are most german. Ans they like the European Union does very well for them but it doesnt do very well for it it stunts the growth of some cunt countries look at poor Greece Greece is going to live in the gutter for generations because of the e. U. And the euro ok i mean it isnt the same all the way across and i just wonder of what this election you know the elites are going to say hey we have to start again having a much more nuanced look instead of looking after our own personal interest because our just reflecting about what luke just said in brussels go ahead john. Well there is no the in its current form the e. U. As a lot of the prison hosts of nations locked in say the neoliberal strait jacket with a single currency which doesnt work because money to union with a fiscal union is untenable i am youre right there is absolutely no appetite for further political integration and its the jew politicization of the course concerned given the huge rule and the crisis in ukraine and given the rule of the you as he has reliable has you know washington in many years and this is the elephant in the room washington this is a europe of the americans yourselves to go understood this yet when he would be a poor the formation of its initial incarnation 151. 00 the European Court of course Still Community he understood this if this was a medal of an american project this was not of european diplomacy it was a triumph of us to the 2nd world wars a Global Economic hedge or more and so how can you have argued a peanut when you have russia and america look 10 and he told me to various that will never have a harmony of nations across europe we need to return to some semblance of sovereignty your great europe of nations is chose to go so presciently advocated after the 2nd world war ok lets go to back to paris what role did immigration play in this selection across the entire continent. Immigrations a perfect example of what was seen before. The United States of europe are also nobody was. Of course this sort of focus on one of them but not done must be something we have seen wrestle documentary and nobody wants to have it says ive personally seen that that would be the best possible solution for restoring democracy in your thirtys my personal computer what they was meaning before is that we the in the data set up we can have different policies and these different policies in both much but call him a shot across. The. School power struggle these normal these old moments when the kids almost their kids. Alabama they need more different from new york than you see last year from greece so we have the same. Im not really sure thats a very good im not sure thats a very good analogy because i mean. You have in the United States you didnt have set identities the only one broad identity was american so this being an alabama or an american there was no tension at all ok i think theres a lot of tension in the European Union about being european and italian ok because being an italian it doesnt so it doesnt necessarily serve your interests ok i have heard this argument before didnt work ok keep going to paris see more complicated but lets lets pass on that very important the by the make in editions of a book is important but these work is the problem with your solution is a few of the counties in the Southern Belle have been left completely alone but and are their own ok so who are the nation if you can if somebody says it will be the sort of the other solution is found to by itself we try to please more efficient your in your opinion in the world. Well i mean what i mean by and by that i mean if you have frau merkel you know lets go back to brussels here i mean you know with a few sentences chichi determined europes immigration policy to the detriment of many many people ok i mean again where is the democracy in that Everybody Knows germany is a powerful country inside the European Union the most powerful country and only more so when there is a break is it ok but i mean again that breaks all kind of democratic norms consultations and worrying about how its going to impact other countries in the European Union look at poor greece again people is walking right through ok and they can do nothing about it luke go ahead and brussels medical in a way created the alternative yet now its a little early percent of the vote in the European Parliament thats her doing and the key of course its a bit better for the moment there are less people trying to cross the mediterranean they go to spain mainly thats why you have folks appearing in spain because people dont want this but the problem the coming problem looming on the horizon is a silent danger is the fact that europe gives the family reunification possibility to all the people who have arrived and so these people why are. Looking for a job desperately in school its called chain migration raining its called in my gratian cetera they will bring their families they will bring their mothers their fathers the kids wives and these people will be net receivers of Social Security that we pay not them and so thats what the people hey didnt europe they say look we dont want this we dont want family reunification that brings nearly 5. 00 more people for each Asylum Seeker thats accepted thats the key problem and nobody in process in the wants to i mean the bad i mean you know when a country does take a stand on immigration like hungary you know it is turned its turned into a pariah. When italy wants to do something about it its turned into a pariah i mean again we talk about this tension about what sovereignty means inside the European Union in this election is telling us that that tensions only going to increase because you have to ask the people about these issues and not the whims of the german chancellor go ahead in edinburgh. Or think we have to identify the source of the problem the source of the problem is the rule of western hegemony and disrupting meena especially middle East North Africa which is producing those food of refugees or economic migrants or people who are seeking a better life and after all we would all do the same and their positions are sometimes we have to try and see the world through their eyes but the thing europe is a Free Movement of capital as a view of distorting impact and as a driver of economic migration and it goes back again to the neoliberal economic model which is the very antithesis of democracy and National Sovereignty and it told countries can control the flow of capital who have their countries then they will never be able to control their own economies and meet and have some form of intervention in terms of infrastructure in terms of providing jobs public works programs especially in a frame of economic recession so again when it comes to the roots of neo liberalism and how it works to distort economies across europe and throughout the world and the wealth of the Northern Hemisphere peter we must recognize is predicated on the poverty of the Southern Hemisphere and so until we address that imbalance these Global Economic imbalances will always have problems with migration coming into utah and coming to the wealthier parts of the planet so we cant control these problems until we address the drives not the pool factors but the drive the push factors and that goes back to the Free Movement of capital ok well lets go back to paris i mean what is the next step for the European Union after this election i mean is it just something that theyre going to ignore and just keep keep their fingers crossed that the they can continue their on their merry path. Here because again you know this this deficit of democracy i think is building in tension and if there isnt if these issues are not addressed the way individuals an individual countries its only going to get worse for the European Union and the the belief in the European Union i mean for gods sake whats going on with briggs that last 30 seconds to periscope head. We need. To be what you were mentioning before is here the problem is not the 5 people who use the word perceive the problem is what we do without what precisely what the how do we finance it how do we find ways. To make it. Work these are the questions we have not how we protect ourselves some people from the south because. Peoples perfectly right they mean the problem is that these guys there were people who made them poor so we collectively made them poor so there will be coming so the problem is what do we do our social model i know you can if youre back to the 1st time were going to. Agree with you. On we were going. 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