A governing coalition. And the leader of the germanys ruling party is slammed for proposing a tighter radio lection media regulation blaming you tube bloggers for some partys heavy losses in the new parliament ballot. So what rules should apply. These are deploying shoes we will need to discuss not just. Media policy in the future of democracy all right that does it for me and with the latest on these stories you can go to argue dot com stay with us now for the kaiser report talking about the practice of the platforming on social media and if you want to nuke a boom bust next things. Max kaiser this is the kaiser report in the 2nd half im going to be talking to bill men from mine dot com taking on the censorship of the big guys with something new and interesting so make sure you stay tuned for that but here now were going to be talking about something truly remarkable and stacy told me what it was a moment ago and slipped my mind so lets talk to stacy and find out what exactly is happening max make basically where all tenant farmers and the thing we are farming is our own minds our essence our being our everything our privacy all that makes us unique individuals we are farming that as tenant farmers for the likes of facebook for the likes of twitter and other Big Data Companies we are attendance on our own devices a decade ago amazon abruptly deleted copies of George Orwells 1984 from the kindles of its american customers the move instantly evokes the memory holes in the novels totalitarian dystopia and inspired about equal measures of shock outrage and jokes as a fictional amazon in a dystopian novel had performed the same mass deletion critics would have said it was too on the nose but in hindsight amazons action was also a striking carbon ger of a shift that has only become more pronounced since our wholesale tilt toward becoming a tenant society tenants of our own devices great title opens up a whole. Panorama of interesting inductive. Opinion that i will now state. It always reminds me of these stories the idea of narcissism and technological darcis of people look at these devices to isnt very narcissistically you know we know from these social media apps that people are driven mad and they are like our sources in the same a story driven to distraction and madness then also this idea of selfsufficient thinking or what i call the casino gulag so people are going to be interacting with these devices and clicking on a newbie snacks for you know a sandwich here and there. While getting the promise of big payout like wed yourself to this thinking machine and you might win a car you might would a house but youre living in a state somewhere you know out of the lot that dated trailer park owned by some wall street private equity firm and youre starving but youre with narcissistically to devise hoping to win big this is the casino girl like ive been warning about for years happening right now so of course if youre a tenant you are not solvent you are not a sovereign individual you are working for somebody else youre looking at yourself and staring at yourself in the device as maybe a narcissist but its somebody is capturing that data so theyre monetizing you or you or maybe a once in a while randomly they might select somebody to win big and thats how the casino operates you know the house always wins but at least one or 2 people go away from the millions that visit say vegas over a weekend one or 2 will win big and get in the local news might go national might go international if they won really big and everybodys like im going to go there and win this big then or well the state puts in the surveillance cameras in our present day or well 19 eightyfour. Dystopian nightmare we put in the cameras we install the cameras on the nest cameras in our doors and on our mental pieces and put the spying devices in our hands and in our homes with alecks and other of these mass surveillance technologies thats the difference between orwell and todays he is a worst nightmares would never think that we will imprison ourselves and i get the fact that as a tenant were working for somebody else but to me its deeper in that its part of the Prison Industrial Complex and that theres no greater Profit Margins than the prison business and the war business and if you have perpetual war like orwell suggested were always a war with your asia you combine that with the present business with the casino and youve got a cash flow machine and weve been covering the air of d. Globalization and of course what we think the last totalitarian state and of course George Orwell was writing during the last totalitarian phase of european history that resulted as a consequence of this sort of shift in power so this is also part of. The reason for the targeting of huawei is that basically that the n. S. A. Did hack qual way back in it was like 10 years ago and they were basically trying to install back doors and they couldnt so they want these backdoor is they want you to be the tenant farmer for them so i think this is about competition for that but in particular regarding this amazon story and what it tells us about today is they did delete peoples books off their own device that they thought they they had paid a 1000. 00 for this i phone and that they had paid for it to download the book but it wasnt apparently amazon found out that it wasnt the actual right color who had uploaded the book so they deleted it one thing the company couldnt take back was the demonstration of it sheer power even the biggest traditional retailer could hardly dream of reaching into peoples houses and taking back what it had sold that. Its a memory hole is now part of our everyday existence as we go from the physical world to the purely Digital World and the Digital World is controlled by the laws and centralized bad actors people who are old old old gop lists and power hungry sociopaths and they are wielding this regulated power with reckless abandon and totally destroying society as we know it in particular a lot of people will have heard of this howard tenant farmers on our own devices in that theyve heard of John Deere John deere you know its a tractor that all farmers have used for 100 years in america and you always think of the small farmer out there farming that corn and wheat free when bringing it to the market and thats the way you get to eat and this is the backbone of the heartland of america well john deere figured a way to use copyright the carp the right cartels to basically introduce software to their other previously mechanical devices the tractor so now we have situations where by they dont allow farmers to have their software repaired on the tractor anywhere else but a john deere location so you know theyll often find themselves in a situation where the software has gone haywire in the middle of harvest season and theyre supposed to book an appointment try to find a local john deere location bring the tractor there and stop you know harvesting so theyve been hacking them basically theyve been going online find new ways and dark net forums to hack these devices in order to fix this so they can harvest. Their crops and yet theyre tenant farmers theyre finding out right the john deere tractor featured i believe in Ronald Reagans election commercials is a symbol of american sovereignty individual sovereignty and a symbol of selfreliance. So what youre talking about is that we lose our selfreliance and they cut to the heart and cuts out the heart of whats i guess called american existentialism with the works of the row and others who believe that selfreliance was an american trait walt whitman also this is cut really hard and dental is the transcendentalism thank you it really rips the heart out of the american psyche and its done so purely for evil evil purposes well its its the casino gulag casino does not want you to leave. Without losing big time and then they want to take every single penny you have to your name before you leave thats the only way the house always wins so here this is the same cant be self reliant because you can never escape the nickel and dime ing by the software that rules your life because youre a tenant farmer now in this you know software ai dystopia a report out shows that Woody Harrelson face shouldnt be enough to catch a beer thief so in new york some dude stole some beer from a c. V. S. C. V. S. Reported him to the police the police had image of the guy heres the guy and he looks a lot like Woody Harrelson noted the police now the only reason why this is emerged is that a university which is georgetown law study this case and this guy looked a lot like Woody Harrelson the police ran it through their facial Recognition Software that basically looks against all your drivers licenses and passport photos and they couldnt find a match because the photo was not close enough it was not clear enough it was too vague on the c. C. T. V. Camera so they instead went to google looked at what he had olsen downloaded a High Resolution photo of Woody Harrelson and ran that through. Their facial recognition device and they found somebody not what he herald sun but some guy who according to this facial Recognition Software looked enough like Woody Harrelson and they arrested that guy could maybe not be the guy but anyway we use this advanced technology this ai Woody Harrelson faces now in their software the algorithm knows what he harrell since face i dont know if he should be very happy with this but the fact is like that you know this is our dystopian future all the time i get tweets online again from this algorithm there will people tell me hey stacy i saw you last weekend in Borough Market i didnt want to. Disturb you that i didnt come over to say hi it was like i wasnt in london it wasnt me but with a facial Recognition Software there theyre looking for somebody who looks close enough to you you know just like about 5060 years ago when the f. B. I. Was created hoover and they had card catalogs of fingerprints just millions and millions of these cards and part of the job of the f. B. I. Guy was to get the think of her and then look through all these cars it would take weeks and weeks and many of them became cold cases and they took years and they were never solved here youve got a database capable of taking an image and locating in real time using a lot of data points that would also enhance the search like g. P. S. And maybe they would cross reference to beer drinkers or beer lovers of Beer Club Members all this data and use a little bit in their Artificial Intelligence and they can find a guy in real time so the Data Processing capabilities now in the hands of the authoritarian technologists is at the point of being similar to that of the atomic bomb this is a this is a data equivalent of a bomb that they can blow up at any moment and its not really great to have them to have that power without any regulations or any checks at all yeah we have Constitutional Rights and we have like 4th amendment rights we have all sorts of rights granted to us well recognized as in doubt and in the alley inable to us and these are being circumvented by this i mean my uncle was you know involved in you know taking down some of the mafia and the things he would say compared to now that he could you could just go online and google and find out the information they used to have to apply for warrants for you know and it was a really slow laborious process but now almost even if youre not on line even if you do. I dont have a digital basically you can escape a digital footprint somebody somewhere has uploaded a photo of you Richard Stallman for example has thousands of feet photos on facebook and though he himself has no facebook account and he has no intention of ever getting a facebook account but there are loads of the algorithm of facebook knows everything about him because people upload photos and create fake accounts for him naked in the. Ghosts of the underworld some Norman Mailer novels about this hes dead ok. Man who is the c. E. O. Of mine dot com is up after the break so dont go away. Nobody could see coming that false confessions would profile in the spot the wish to pull. Any interrogations out there what youll see is threat promise threat promise threat why a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and dont take no for an answer dont accept there are no. She said to forward. Send a statement that i will be home by the next day theres a culture on accountability and Police Officers know that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with solving their crime. Bill will never be peace to be a palestinian state there will never be a rise in the fall of the state of israel the palestinian state only those that hope the moderate countries who somehow call we something that. Will fit 2 state solution is a mistake and none of the countries will come forward. On the basis of 2 states. Welcome back to the kaiser report im max kaiser time now to go to bill ottman of mines dot com bill welcome back and i think farming out right platforming its all the rage these days where do you think this pressure to deep platform is coming from. Its probably some financial interests what are your thoughts well bill thanks for asking you know well in other words the Big Tech Companies in Silicon Valley are getting pressured that they are still licking their wounds after the 26th and a loss that they didnt see coming or somehow messed up and even though no matter how much money that was thrown at them to sort of the elections and hillarys favor they failed to manipulate the outcome as they had hoped or promised to do so now theyre blaming their users theyre blaming their customers how dare you use our product minds dot com as an alternative product or people known to have free speech but i agree with the its all finance base the money guys are upset that they can throw elections like they used to the f. B. I. Can name a stage a coup like it is to or the cia cant even stage a coup like they used to down in venezuela whats wrong with the Us Government yeah i mean weve inside chase doing some deep platforming recently so there is you know there are number of factors involved theres advertiser pressure there social pressure theres political pressure but i think its sort of a myth that needs to be dispelled that advertisers need to be playing politics i mean i understand boycott theory i think that there are use cases for that but you know if youre selling a computer to be saying oh im not going to sell my computer to this audience and then to pressure a network to take down that content is really pretty disruptive but you know why how do we get there how do we get to this place i think. There was always a minute none of the Major Networks have ever really been consistent i mean google you can search for anything you want mostly that we know of but there are certain apps on you tube theyre going to theyre censoring all this kind of stuff so depending on the portal that youre in you can access to different information i think that google generally knows that censorship is bad thats why theyre resisting going into china but up but forces dragonfly want to go into china there so well look facts are expensive and opinions are cheap. Right and so the News Business they get out of the fax business because its so expensive you have to go hire somebody to go to get a fact and they have to get that fact verified and thats expensive or is opinions anyone any frick and it can have an opinion you know this show its cheap you know just spilling stuff right now but you wouldnt want that across every single news outlet in the world especially their marquee 3 letter a. B. C. C. B. S. N. B. C. And c. N. N. They are now all without exception in the opinion business unless n. B. C. Is purely in the opinion business so as fox is so c. N. N. So thats facebook so is close facebook so so theyre entering that world and you know this is the platform versus publisher debate going on sensually you know your news feed the content youre getting now is no longer a raw fee based on what youre subscribed to their algorithms which we have no idea what they do because theyre proprietary are feeding you biased information and trying to manipulate you in a variety of ways so whats the new model going to be so mines dot com youve got how would you describe the platform its just basically neutral yes neutral weve committed to the news feed always being a 100 percent raw chronological no algorithms by default if you want to curate your own feed according to your interest book you know the algorithms are totally open source and we can take them off for changes but the news feed that is the core aim of social media i subscribe to you i get your content once you know facebook youre only reaching 5 percent of your own followers now so you know the reach in the ability to have your voice heard by the people who subscribe to that is why we do social media thats regional purpose so the fact that thats being taken away that caused us to build the whole game for cation incentive and token ization of advertising and rewarding people with more reach for their contributions. As opposed to stripping it away so now cycling that its great you know people love the game of occasion in this why we see facebook is starting to block chain stuff in their stripping people away from from coin base so itll be interesting to see how that rolls out right so its also latest its been a year since we had jon this show and so give us an idea of whats being built and where you where you are in your cycle is still a start up i guess you could still say and so are you on your in your progress we had a great raise with net it she ventures. Byrne joined the squad i know you know pat yeah and over yeah yeah thats been a huge lift up and were about to roll out a jury system actually for the moderation so that its not just our secret forces behind the scenes making decisions were actually going to be calling on randomized juries of users to help with the appeal process so if if a user thinks that something has been wrongfully flagged or whatnot then itll go to a randomized group of users to help us make those decisions so really excited about that also bringing multicurrency support soon. With big corn and other tokens so you know its weird every app is sort of becoming the same thing instagram snap chat you tube they all do the same thing so now its a matter of what are the principles of that app is a transparent is an encrypted is it. Moving towards decentralization is it working with crypto those are the questions that people are going to start to want more of i think a simple isnt mines dot com yes ok so temple is but on our show a couple times you know hes a bright young. Journalist and social media guy and so what would what was what is he getting on minus dot com that he couldnt get anywhere else hes getting 100 percent to reach 100 percent reliable access to his audience algorithms are going to strip away hes not going to be monetized. Theres transparency he has direct access ability to the team its not just him i mean we are trying to be as accessible to our community i mean when something happens to your account on facebook theres no theres no recourse facebook is currently you can even send a minds link and Facebook Messenger right now it says that its on secure well yeah so now is there a talent for a sort of theres a think what to say i think sally pronounces them and hes a huge star on i believe its you and i think he left you to he didnt leave but hes now supplementing with the live ok day live right so now is that hes potentially on the minds dot com hed come on my eyes i would love it potentially come on down right and so these people are leaving the big platforms for various reasons and so you guys are you guys out there are there making pictures of these big names i think the biggest shifts in Critical Mass are going to come from people like pretty high and other major cultural figures i mean actually i dont think the big networks really understand how sensitive that is you get the top 1000 influencers on you tube to say im fed up with this you know google didnt have a serious problem what about propaganda so there was a lot of people dont leave these platforms because the propaganda from the state department who controls media in america will convince everyone that there is a russian in every teapot and that there is an existential threat and that if you want the mind stuff youre basically means. Youll be singing the Russian National anthem for breakfast tomorrow morning how do you fight that subjective Fact Checkers are not the answer but what we do need is i think a layered context with floating around certain posts so obviously post the dismiss information can go viral that happens all the time but what you want is to be able to have the commenters in the community essentially apply sources and Fact Checking to it in a more democratic way not just oh this think tank gets to decide what is true and what is false layer context so does it become a whale to manage this at some point because youre entering the layers on layers and in software they call that being crafty or youve got a lot of junk code and it just starts to mess everything up is too messy i mean ultimately education on the user level of how to do research is probably pretty whos frank i hear the main dude over their minds i mean im one use it when you drop the axes are not extra you know thats what were trying to avoid with the jury system i know but like steve jobs over at apple will say you know hes a hes a friendly dictator i mean you know somebody has got to lay down the law. Or is there a guy like that or do you have a governance model that is truly kind without need of a so i figure theres a cool phrase circulating its not dont be evil its cant be evil be unable to be evil right and that is where we need to go where were not there yet i mean i think that putting up the tokens we used to have a point system that was on our servers we took the point system in put it on the users own wallet so were not involved in that im over trying to be less involved with everything over time but. You know there arent any fully decentralized social networks that are really scalable right now we have been we started a 0 we started filming so did. Not fully decided that are scalable at this time not that i know of the ones that we know scuttlebutt is really interesting it is fully decentralized but i gather very did not fully centralized and proprietary i think that the free speech is good but you know there are actually dissenters oh no one source i got to jump to the point of the sun interview you know you have a big event los angeles oh yeah anywhere it 2021 say the location dont say location alright somewhere in 2020 its on the west coast somewhere yeah its going to and im apparently attending i think max kaiser will be there i might even be speaking there you know i do a good 30 minute rage where i get the audience ready to riot if you want the police showing on a piece for i have yeah you know the cops get into you know like car down they come all ready to be you know a cop like and then they start dancing and groove and when they hear me talk thats what i thats a value added i bring nice thats what i bring to the table anyway whats happening in january happening yes stay tuned for that whats the point of this why are you doing this we are trying to do a whole day why podcasts and celebration celebration thing celebrating diversity of ideas how big was just a show Rogen Cymbalta does it will grow towards lines we had a huge spike huge spike yeah why doesnt joe have to be on the show i mean im on our team on the most influential influence during a marriage where an awesome comment and he may say oh not on the show 2 its not me i dont know why youre there youre on the jump to conclusions matter right now. Have you seen office but yes yes. My favorite look at this like this is a fantastic film under rated talk to mike judge. And judge what else the judge has judged on study ocracy idiocracy. Office space and of course dr zhivago no that was david lee and i get those 2 mixed up any. A right of time the guest im having on the show right now goes by the name of bill osman hes the mind over there are mines dot com and is decentralized to many not that theres any central got it thanks for being on the show extra well thats going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy i would like to thank our guest bill up of mines dot com if you want to reach us on twitter. Platforms sucks. My cock im slash max kaiser oh go to mines dot com instead and states your brain states the herberger over there now sometimes when we can remember. He would lead sort of suffered another humiliating black eyes and bloody nose all across europe voters put the elites on notice the status quo is not working for the people the surge to the drive in the rising population may be a game changer will be elite journalists. Following welcome to worlds apart David Ben Gurion israels founder and 1st Prime Minister at once sad that a jew who doesnt believe in miracles is not a realist his current successor Benjamin Netanyahu has pulled the many miracles during his long and illustrious career but can he realistically do it again as his former allies one after another turned against him well to discuss that im now joined by and predecessor and hard