That mr. Controls. Instructs with what is happening in russia or russian they have also come to. See that our society is much much much worse organized and i think the importance on competency when it comes to social media is rather questionable it is well known that hes not using smartphones so hes knowledge of. Tool of communication is also. On the maybe hes in charge so maybe he is the one who should be indicted after all now if you if you look at some of the output of the troll sweatshop it uses subgroup magical language what they would call rather than american english i think shows very poor knowledge of the american domestic politics brush style to it all you know it looks very amateur at the level of a High School Newspaper at best and yet. A lot of very well placed in very well educated people in the United States take it as nothing less than either a declaration or an act of waging war on the United States and when you see such a gap between reaction and an action there must be Something Else involved perhaps some other an articulated fear is what could that be United States is going through a very deep domestic crisis this is a political crisis but more than that this is a crisis of. Self perception and thats very much understandable because United States. After the cold war good used to feel itself as the ultimate monster of the world of the universe for understandable reasons because after the cold war for quite a long time. It was no country who could challenge the United States and even contradict for that matter even contradict them conceptually there were new ideas who could be offered as an alternative. No americans so the challenge to american supremacy came not from the outside not from russia not from china but from the inside of society and that came as big shock to us establishment that i think what we see now or around russia and this hyper will ization over russia this is psychological or understandable to find somebody outside the United States who is responsible for there while the real problem is in. The open quote george h. W. Bush has said that america won the cold war by the grace of god every inch definitely solidified the u. S. Perception as a sort of gods chosen nation where the mission and i think. And you also said a number of occasions that he see the current tensions as either the withering or perhaps the painful death of that very mission which actually began. Before trumpet it started. But what trumps its offering you know they say America First slogan it could be used as a legitimate policy but this is not the south narrative it does not answer the question of who we are as a nation what could possibly come to replace that sounds of mission of you know sort of pushing their foreign towards democratic salvation. Limited extent i know United States the idea of exceptionalism. U. S. Mission is indispensable so this is this is really one of. Grounds and foundations of u. S. Statehood and u. S. Political cultural political psychology so it will not change i think the United States now our. Americans now are facing a period of uncertainty which is to be used to. A real doubt to this new world because dominance is impossible in stone the understanding of this started not even during obamas presidency but after iraq war even bush president s started to realize this imperial overstretch the frequently used notion from the sounds it was just the reaction to. America started to understand the limits of capacity of the county which is maybe most powerful in history but still and in this regard i think next. I dont know eight fifteen years maybe ten us will try to find new ways how to accommodate. To this new world but it will be back. Because. Having to project over the rest of their world. To project power next. President in ten years time will be back to the. World now as americans like to say perception is reality and on some level it doesnt really matter whether russia intervened or not. As you pointed out. Russia madeleine theme has already taken on the life of its own it created deledio infrastructure which allows for the. Increased pressure on russia with or without any particular pretext. I wonder how do you think it should change the kremlins calculation of. Russia yes of course the. Democracy. Has no becoming. States and we will agree or disagree but this is a fact of life which will. Influence. For years to come he said in one of the interviews that the main thing that putin has been trying to teach the west is essentially a cause and effect relationship if you take action there will be consequences and i think what this whole russia gate story told him is that sometimes there are there isnt an effect without a cause or and in fact that is hugely disproportionate to a cause and that is a totally different ballgame because forecasting irrationality is much more difficult than forecasting a rationality of your adversary do you think that will make russias policy more risk averse or on the contrary more daring so are i wouldnt call it. We can. Challenge the main premise the rush into the interview but as you sat now for americans as fact of life we should we should take it into account they assume it happened the profound mistrust will persist at the same time based on conceptual documents issued by trump and ministrations is december last year we see there the cold war approach and mentality is completely back in full scale they basically repeat the same as Reagan Administration or a new station before him. Which means that we are in the situation of the cold war when the mechanisms of. Managing they injure them engine managing risks were absolutely indispensable in the social but in much war situation one is known the existing because americans believe that the russians are able to intervene in the core of their soul and so on. This is a very dangerous situation i wouldnt call it irrational its Something Else the belief in their russian i would say we believe in the world so. 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Welcome back to worlds apart as they fed on the piano for editor in chief of Russian Global Affairs magazine solar can if you call trump an operator of transition from extroversion to intervention in american policy reach you interpret not as isolation is better rather as the prevalence of National Interest over the global outreach and from what i gather you dont see that as a particularly positive development for russia even though russia and to some extent china have long called for it is that an example of be careful what you wish for i dont think that anybody expected the United States to make such a. Drastic turn to America First but. What russia dreams about was a multipolar world theyre fucked or trumps policy contributes to that because if america says that Global Leadership is not needed anymore and they try to become the strongest the mightiest but one of those countries the rating on the worlds teach it means that others will inevitably do the see. America first approach when it comes from the United States automatically generates me first world everybodys first and of course in this situation these advantages are huge because multipolar world per se is not a solution to india seeing thats a killer tick pretty dangerous competition and we see that since United States abandon this rhetoric so well believe this ship it civil wars the uncertainty unpredictability has increased well since you mentioned. Advantages of that the arrangement let me ask you about the advantages because the russian diplomacy prides itself on its negotiating and consensus building skills it. Considers itself as an heir to these bisan time grand strategy of it which is essentially at you know being a master of caution working both with friends and allies and if thats indeed the case i would think that this reformatting of the International System would offer the russian diplomacy not only some very exciting opportunities but also a very broad can of us to to apply it skills is that the case this is a case. We see in the middle east for example where russia is really uniquely situated to have. Good working relationships with exactly all those is the only country which which can enjoy this but its not enough we see its not enough its not enough for achieving results we see even in syria how difficult. To find Common Ground with turkey just with you know to talk about. Walls so russia russia is better situated than others. In a success if we if we take the whole world thats even worse because. Countries which russia sees. Friendly china which is true china is very much friendly but it doesnt mean the china is really due to. Compromise any of their National Missile caravan and its essentially a. Either one somebody in forces his own vision on you or you try to work out something. Could benefit both sides obviously the second one is far more laborious and no successes. Guaranteed but i think what what is really important to mr putin at least is the principle because if youre used to first option its not only unfair i think in the russian worldview but it is also highly detrimental because it simply increases the discount for potential mistakes absolutely first off and is not an option for russia these only existing two to take it was an attempt and in ninetys to make russia part of somebody elses construction which didnt work at it could not work it was very i dont know naive to believe. But i think that the russian problem now is in years to come. As problems for many countries in the world is not of external nature and someone turned on the russia has exhausted a certain moral of development which worked pretty well in. Two thousand and. Eight hydrocarbon rant and theyre not going all in the eyes assignment is just theyre just a part of this i mean broader i mean the russian. Starting from ninety one even under president yeltsin and the president putin and the president of egypt during all this time was actually to get back to the table where the most Important International decision are being taken and russia by diffusing different means russia succeeded to get and that was of course reaction to the tragic collapse of the state who in one thousand nine hundred. But you know the question is what next what to do with this position russia is accepted. Accepted as a part of the group of most most likely powers and now russia needs to understand. Why did you need. These for for for someone to rule the world you may disagree with me and but. My perception is that there is actually a nor controversy and full acceptance among their russian ruling elite that you have to build the country from within and that actually involves partially some. Liberalization of the Country Economic liberalization the opening up of the system politically. Laws on the eve of this president ial elections have been significantly east. I think the discourse in russia the media discourse in russia is also maybe more polarized than before but i think its also freer than before there is a greater. Influence of the internet and far more freer discussion on the internet on the russian. Public reality i know you said a few years ago that putins main idea was to sort of push back against the u. S. Law. Liberal democracy and give russia some space to develop on its own accord dont you think that right at the time when the United States gave up on the idea of democrat dies in russia putin picked that idea not necessarily as his own conviction but simply as as a method of countrys development as well as potentially. A method of rehabilitating russia on the on the global stage. The policy asking. The stone the ball because on the one greed. There are signs of attempts to diversify the system i wouldnt i wouldnt say open because openness into this world has so many backsides so its quite quite dangerous but to diversify to make it more. Sustainable and not to rely on one Single Person one Single Institution which is called the russian presidency and i think all understand and all agree that this is needed at the same time. Again very legitimate fear is that. Menage ability of state in todays world is very much under under pressure and this is the biggest. Threat biggest risk for any country even for the United States to lose control over what is going on. It happened in the middle east by the way just confirmed that. Are. Sustainable but the opposite more though is even worse youve noted in several of your articles that. The western model of democracy is also on there going some vision there is a crisis of all Political Parties in the west i think there is also a crisis of. Media especially in the United States when the media just. Takes over the political Decision Making i mean there should be some. Intermingling between the two but when policy is exclusively by media just course i think thats great that perhaps a recipe for disaster do you think russia even the kremlin even understands at this point what kind of model its most likely to be a hybrid model but what kind of model it wants russia to fit in. Because hes stupid because hes really is if he believes. Forces and we humans are in. The history but also we live in such a. Through the time that everything is changing very fast so to strategize almost doesnt make any sense because everything will change to morrow so in this regard he is not about to visions his advantage to try to be prepared for anything can happen in the future. The necessity on his own part to step down from power because that is absolutely i think he many people around here are aware that this next monday it will be the last one for him he is not in mood to become a russian version of robot tall he will just see it is his own failure if he will need to stadium but of course in the system like ours where not just centralized system but the system where for some objective reasons the legitimacy of the state is very much tied to legitimacy of the president it happened essentially youre saying that putins last term in office will be. Geared towards putin overcoming the fact of the putinism the system that he himself has created to certain extent not to overcome but to transform i dont think he will abruptly leave. Go to pensions mountains he certainly will try to make it s. Hell as he likes to do normal a step by step. Normas challenge enormous challenge because russia as it emerged after twenty First Century basically this is a russia very much. Characterized by putins. And it will be very difficult for this person to start to. To decouple. Himself from from the state especially when the International Pressure is so significant we talked about Russian Foreign policy in the first part and i think sometimes building at relationship across the globe is easier than being on good terms with the if your neighbors. There was a mutual irritation building between russia and Europe Russia and ukraine long before two thousand and fourteen but i think since then it became an open one were marking the fourth anniversary of the might an uprising there this week do you see any way out of the current predicament. I dont. Know. The many reasons there is pretty bad political situation in q i dont see any responsible forces there who would be interested in moving forward on the conciliation i dont see frankly any bigger interest in russia i dont see at all european role which is very bad but looking for example political mess in germany suddenly germany which used to be driving force for all dismissed process. No so much introverts and they are busy with the mystic affairs they have no time and energy and butter docks ago the only remaining line is again between russia and the United States and all Clear Communication is almost the only one we can produce in this thing. And i hope actually that it will do because americans with all the stone the bull claims on the russian side of the americas are at least able to do something to achieve something unlike europe but for the foreseeable future my only hope is that the situation will remain stable the status quo will will remain without major drastic changes while on this very suffering now three have to leave it there really appreciate your time today and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on our social media pages as for me hope to see you again same place same time here and all the parts. Of. 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