Youre watching us in the u. K. Stay with us for sputnik talking about the conflicting attitudes of british politicians towards israel sometimes. After an intense year were going underground one hundred fifty years to the day of the first impeachment of a sitting president of United States and coming up in the show as the syrian army go for the kill against militants the form of bread basket the country investigate bread itself with all the cheap Technology Officer computing giant microsoft Nathan Myhrvold about his latest boss to work and his polls suggest. Hes on course for its biggest victory in britains capital since the one nine hundred sixty s. Will he be able to stop blairite and tory social cleansing we speak to the organizer of todays. London demonstration against gentrification buses British Charity stands accused of everything from sex crimes to lavish lifestyles why did government not listen to one tory lord it was a long war about in geo accountability and in a week of constant mccarthyite hearing in the British Press against the leader of western europes largest socialist movement i couldnt care less about the press gallery the speaker a journalist the pm all the support going on but todays going underground but first in the past few days one of the richest multinationals in the world apple has been seeking to secure Key Resources to respond to the electric co a boom that is speeding up around the world apple is moving to secure its supply chain the company is in talks with cobalt mines to buy the metal directly from them with no middleman apple is worried that demand for cobalt in the electric vehicle batteries could threaten its own supply which it needs for its i phones and i pads not as much news has been around about amnesty internationals recent report on with cobalt his mind we believe. The companies have a responsibility to ensure that they arent in any way profiting from human rights abuses in this case. You know weve documented that there are human rights abuses in these mines well while apple has been commended by amnesty for taking action after their report the same cant be said for other Companies Including microsoft thats well microsoft claims to be addressing child labor problems in the democratic republic of congo when it comes to mining such corporate issues however are now north on the desk of our next guest as was for resources raged around the world not least in syria the former bread basket of the country now occupied by isis day the former chief Technology Officer at microsoft Nathan Myhrvold is with me along with his latest must to work more than just bread they think youre going to have to start by telling me what this morning this bread project is about well its a six volume twenty six hundred forty two page book about bread and one thousand six hundred experiments thirty seven thousand loaves of been creative yes and i googled his arms towns. Ago just very quickly lets just run through some of the tips at least for viewers around the world we shouldnt refrigerate bread now it turns out that cold temperatures. Make the starch in bread do something called retro gradation it goes through that process which makes us different it seems more stale the exception is if the bread has meat or fish or something that would spoil for example like a leftover slice of pizza then you really should refrigerator ok of course i dont do that and you you explain how to refresh stale bread probably an issue in this country where were seeing actual food banks and mill nourishment today in these how do you refresh stale bread well so. The best way to. Store bread for a while is to freeze it. Then either from frozen or if its getting a little bit stale what use you sprinkle a little bit of water on it wrap an aluminum foil put it into an oven at maybe one hundred sixty degrees centigrade for a few minutes and. It will do the best it can at reviving it from frozen you can get bread thats really good that way if its already a little stale you will revive it as best you can but it may not be perfect quickly on these chips whole green bridge is lis nutritious the risen one is your allegation well its sort of an established scientific fact but its not widely known because everyone says the opposite. And the reason is twofold the first is that. Some of the things that are in the brand thats the rough part of the whole wheat which is the difference in a whole grain bread and a white loaf of bread is that ran well a lot of that we dont digest we people dont so maybe its the erotically in there but because its going to leave you out any benefit the thing is are some chemicals called fight aids that are part of bran and they have the property that they grab ahold of a number of very essential vitamins and Minerals Including iron so if you have a roast beef sandwich with whole grain bread youre not going to get any benefit from the iron that would otherwise be in that roast beef its got arent that iron is going to wind up binding to the fight its from the bran and so you can actually get knowing zero bit negative nutrition in effect from it now its not that its a danger but so many people go and act. Like whole grain bread is thats the only thing you should eat and they kept trying to shame people that eat white bread there really isnt any proof or that its ok thats good how youre breaking the bread the energy being used to bake the bread because i know that i should say the book is full of where you saw in here as well. But theres going to be heating this eating this of youre not a fan of fracking which the British Government is a big fan of as well as the of the future theres people who believe that fracking produces lots of bad things up at the surface so they say oh that theres natural gas in my Drinking Water or theres all of these other terrible advisor mental things and i think those are farfetched frankly the fracking is happening so deep in the earth. That there is very little chance that anything from the fracking directly. Is involved over the highly contested point what youre doing with us might be unusual giving you might but its really good scope and in the atmosphere you know this but thats a different story natural gas is often said its half the missions of coal it isnt really the thing about methane is that methane. Causes more warming than c o two does and its by a factor of about one hundred twenty in the first year the thing comes out nothing to oxidize in the atmosphere so leader in the amount of methane will drop over time but a one percent leak times under twenty means that your natural gas that youre hoping is half of the emissions of coal. Its actually about the same as call it was your president wouldnt be convinced of any of that any well and id have a problem i dont know the man personally and i have never tried to have a technical discussion. With him. But i think the u. S. Governments position appears to be the really little bit of us governments position on Climate Change has been in my view broken for a long time its not just the Trump Administration the Obama Administration also that the main difference is that the Obama Administration talked well about the environment but did very few concrete steps if you look and say well where are the things where they really put their foot down you dont find them because they said the right thing trump is is often saying things that you that i a climate activist would say are the wrong things but he hasnt done anything more or less that obama has done and. Yet in the paris climate signature presumably well ok but thats a symbolic thing so you can if you divide things between politics and actually emitting carbon into the atmosphere unfortunately my country has made very little progress on the actually emitting carbon into the atmosphere regardless of what the political rhetoric is i literally ask you aside from bread and as we say i mean we are having this discussion while there are wars for wheat in the resource drawer this you know how pervasive your software the software youve worked on has been all around the world what does it make you feel when you know that a lot of it is used for the military for war as the British Government says wyden system uses a version of windows i think. Thats cool when you make a really broad tool. That broad tool is then going to go out in society and society will use it for many things now you could argue that if you design guns like question of that its hard to imagine a really good use of that you could say its for defense but when it comes to the operating system our goal was to give people the power to run their own computing part of those computers were only controlled by giant corporations or the government or or some other Big Institute if you took the whole ledger this is sort of not possible to do but if you do the ledger of everything that was really good that happened because of personal computers and everything that was bad i think the good would vastly outweigh the bad its an amazing set of all humans Nathan Myhrvold thank you thank you. Welcome back just how empty mosco washington and grown damascus of the pro e. U. Scottish nationalists become the Prime Minister tell the house what discussions Howard Government has hot with u. N. Colleagues and sunday on enforcing existing un resolutions calling for an end to cede use of civilian areas and attacks on civilians perhaps the s. N. P. Leader in westminster is unaware that far from the u. K. Being United Nations neutral over sieges in syria it has been actively trying to overthrow the damascus government britain has defacto supported with u. K. Taxpayer money extremist islamist elements is uncovered even by the b. B. C. And britains ally the usa backs the left wing p k k allied forces in our friend and britain defacto backed turkey because of nato membership which wants to wipe out the p. K. K. And britain de facto backs both assad and putin in their attempts to destroy islam ists in syria then again does tourism a realize all of this we will be continuing to work with the un and the process and finally i would just say that the un envoy has our full support in the work that he is doing is trying to bring an end to this by finding a place. Solution for syria a political solution britain is mean aiding the White Helmets organization it is called for the overthrow of the government in damascus and if you came minority government needed to raise a may support stefan dumbass stora then why was a foreign secretary Boris Johnson no way to be seen with him at the peace talks in russia at the end of last month could it be that the pm sees russia as the enemy and we call on all that matters including russia to ensure that this violence stops yes britain is in full cold war mode against moscow let alone against Jeremy Corbyn who wanted answers to questions about to raise a maze of bricks that negotiations business is need to know people want to know even who the backbench is a demand you know but it isnt clear from todays exchanges this government isnt on the road to brics it mr speaker its on the road to nowhere but tourism a had russia on their mind or more specifically the soviet union the prague spring and because we have stories against Jeremy Corbyn about czechoslovakia unconditionally committing it to the safety and security of europe but can i congratulate can i congratulate the right on the agenda because normally he stands up every week and asked me to sign a blank check and i know knights checks but really. Corbin the bookies favorite to replace to raise a mans Prime Minister your ning there is a tax amount against him by arguably the deep state after the break advice to Jeremy Corbin from thence he toppled the nature of todays london protests against gentrification and the daughter of revolutionary u. K. Politician peter rhee known for his work with militants in one nine hundred eighty s. Britain and we speak german for the house of lords about why no one listened to him when he exposed charities dirty tricks two years ago. Coming up in body. Going underground. Whats going on is only producing. Kids it doesnt have any meaning less at least to real kids which can be. Guaranteed only by also christina presentation. Welcome back today the northeast of britains capital london sees demonstrators gathered to oppose policies from a council run by Jeremy Corbins labor party the posies concern socalled social cleansing orden your liberal gentrification and one of the organizers is the u. K. Socialist parties nancy taff would like activists right across new donations opposes the moving out of working class families to make way for expensive out of reach housing and Regional Development that she welcomes you going underground tell me about todays demonstration in northeast london well today pop protest and celebration of the spicy move which we believe is about to be destroyed by a Regeneration Programme which will by sick leave it for tower blocks one potentially twenty nine stories type of us square away. The childrens playground brought up to the most polluted part of the square which is likely the bus station i mean we turn given a public space away when were not guaranteed genuinely affordable and guaranteed twenty percent Affordable Housing and i think southern creasy the labor m. P. Is. Claim to hundred Million Pounds of private investment will be going into your area you dont like their private investment were not guaranteed anything there is no guarantee living we shouldnt use the word affordable i think theres a big question mark over im a big proponent of council housing. This term affordable muddies the water and complicates the sort of developments that eating up london at the moment and leading to mass displacement of working class people who cant afford to live in the areas they were born in and lived in all their lives its already happening all around the country and all around the world this idea of private Public Partnership in regeneration i mean i know youre in the socialist party i am in words what do you think of labours record before German Government we had a meeting with a star couple weeks ago when John Mcdonald kind of very good to me to share a chance with exactly yeah and basically the how meeting with a discussion about the legacy of pay if i and the debt now that we have to pay as a consequence of a policy of by simply getting into bed with the private companies who are late now billions of the Public Sector were still paying for these bad contracts. In schools and hospitals i agree with Corporate Image on that we should abolish. And we should only pipe compensation on the basis of proven aid but the big business shareholders to buy simply can do one because theyre there theyre leeching off the Public Sector and i think its a mistake that particularly the blairite councillors in london are embarking on a policy in housing which is a repetition of the failed policy in hospitals and schools and other Infrastructure Projects we have to be wary of polls but indeed the latest polls are mays local elections are called which labor body may have its best results since nine hundred sixty eight for the labor party what happens of these councillors the blairite councillors or the red tories as theyre called refuse to support. Johnson Joe Mcdonalds views on social cleansing socalled down the law enough to my is an intensification of council tax increases the model thats been put forward is basically built rabbit hutches right across london stuff a main make sure they dont have children because these a place of flats people can have children and then turn the screw him i said council tax and this is a motto that was prevalent in the nineteenth twentys it was replaced by the welfare state and the postwar settlement and were going back to a prewar model that never worked for us and thats basically what were arguing against deciding we want municipal provision you want Council Homes you want public spice libraries social services for the fun on the out its not win or scheme for much she going to door havent concertedly gone against all these marriage counsellors i have to imagine your father was one of the leading lights in arguably the last biggest struggle against mere liberalism in this country and yet say your father got even be a member of corbins labor party how can you put so much trust in government dont know if they would even allow your father to become a member the negativity. Well first first of all i dont think its a person who actually would not let lieberman forward by the iraqs in the eightys we think there has to be a democratic if you like revolution inside the labor party because i stood for parliament as a socialist and if you look at what i stood on before corgan was elected is very similar to corbins program today where is if you look at the blair arts and what i stood on that in a post phase it in our spare five it didnt oppose the nearly pro onslow we need to link up the good corporate easters inside the labor party the activist outside particularly in london rebellion against this continuation of near liberalism we need an alliance a Grassroots Level weve seen lots of headlines about corban you and your family know about the secret state and what they do to democratically elected politicians who oppose new liberalism do you think we can expect more from both the media and the socalled secret stable britain against your dog let alone for what hes doing in the water and Jamie Corbett well first of all our city condemn the slurs against corporate and. Dont know and obviously we call for nationalization of the press. By you know billionaires and we dont believe that a democratically accountable but we also as i had to call been call on us from the dispatch box who a march of working class people to defend the n. H. S. Youd have a million on the straits or call a march demanding a million Council Houses being built the us would come out in their droves we could shake this government out of power we could ally all the good point scoring at the dispatch box with a movement on the straights otherwise if we wait for twenty twenty two if the players get back in london and they continue with this policy and they continue with undermining gordons legacy by twenty twenty two many working class people would just be excessive i would be. Tie it with the words as they lived to tell you right which is what weve seen in other countries where youve seen a lack. And then nothing peoples lives that cant be allowed to happen here we get poorer things are difficult for people we have to say now staff thank you. Well from defaming the u. K. Left to defaming british n. G. O. S like oxfam and save the children which have suddenly go under attack for poor management that alone colleagues sex parties that well you gay media hardly image of the reasons countries like haiti destabilized by u. S. Foreign policy for decades have become havens for n. G. O. S in the first place joining me now is lord belfer who has long been warning of issues of accountability when it comes to britains Charity Sector hes a member of the International Relations committee in the british house of lords lord valve well grant you are going underground so aside from the current scandal after scandal from one charity after another you have for a long time worried about the accountability of a charity is tell me about that i think the problem is you cant just shift it back to the aid charities there is a Large Department seemingly pretty much out of control which in my view and its been my view for a long time should be part of our Foreign Policy network in other words called defeat to depart the International Development should in fact be a part of the Foreign Office if you dont see the danger there of politicising a around the world of its aid is closely allied to a particular party in government arm so you know each would be identified with Foreign Policy clearly it has been for a long time hasnt it i mean britain doesnt give aid to agencies that are supporting what is perceived as the enemy what im saying is its not just the fault of the agencies it clearly is their fault but they only got away with it because of lax political control and one ministry in london bridge. Changing is not an effective method of control there has to be people on the ground probably either from the National Audit office or the treasury who are independent and charged with ensuring the spent properly and a proper ethical code of conduct is followed if i was a c. E. O. Of a charity id replied to you by saying there is a regulator a statutory regulator the Charity Commission whats the problem that they have obviously and manifestly failed every day in the last ten days weve had for the Horror Stories all whats happening in the aid agency but also the Charity Commission is a comparatively small underfunded body the house look after all the charities in the United Kingdom the idea that they can supervise charities all over the world is frankly a bit far fetched the government has to supervise it and the government has to realise basically that defeat has got to be absorbed into all Foreign Policy if such changes were made one of the whole hog and create a peace corps and do away with private charities and have a have a preschool run by different the Foreign Office because you would already you would also have charities i mean the peace corps ran alongside the Us Charitable status when it ran the only way of stamping out the abuse is firstly to integrate into the Foreign Policy mechanism and secondly jobson independent government surveillance as well as the charity surveillance on a big mat grew level why do you think the voluntary sector is so powerful when it comes to aid as opposed to if it was a peace corps for instance theyre all good middle class children or they are the inheritors you know in the victorian years we used to send the youngest sons out to run the empire most of the aid workers ive met on. In forty years in politics they generally middle class they generally from the liberal lead intelligentsia they generally mean to do wail they clearly have standards of slip to them why you say middle class they dont middle class enough to read oscar wilde who said Charity Charity creates a multitude of sins you dont think. They have read it you havent absorbed it up very but you are you do appear to say that regulation is is far too difficult im saying the Charity Commission is not the right body to supervise this what you need in every embassy where there is a substantial aid program is you need need independent person on the ground in the country concerned looking at the aid program does it deliver value for money and ethical standards there are far too many four by fours impost tolls and expensive living going on out of the budget this is got to stop the e. U. Said all of this last year was a new interesting to you when you were talking about accountability i dont think there were one or its an uncomfortable message isnt it because its very comfortable to say oh well you know the charities have to reform but what hes actually needed is a reform of the way Government Works but without cutting the money but making sure its properly spent look at the billions of pounds that we poured into africa over the seventy years since independence and its about seventy years since most of them became independent. Its still poor you go to any country the first thing the agency would tell you is they need more money i mean ill give you those countries were paying debts to the i. M. F. During the Charity Money going abroad and yet now that labor is an argument that the whole aid project so floored you do agree the point seven percent of our g. D. P. Should be go going on foreign aid and we have to say that in this in the context of hundreds of thousands of people in this country not being able to eat today without the help of good basic perhaps and it would still be the case at no point five percent north point seven percent is the un saw great britains thanks to David Cameron lets remember reach that im a great supporter of that but why not grow giving money away if theres malnourished when we dont have any way were actually investing it in the world it is even britains interests why do thousands of africans pile up in libya trying to get to europe because of poverty its actually margaret we have major war to destroy a little bit here. The drawbacks but overall its easy in the interests of the western world to promote prosperity in the rest of the world just fine you know would you serve as the new Charity Commissioner of the present one reserves well theres no reason for the Charity Commission to resign thats not where the emergency say that you just said that they failed to regulate it im saying that defeated has failed to regulate the British Government has failed to regulate as i said the Charity Commission is an incredibly small body of people with an incredibly large job including very good rating extremists charities in britain. I dont blame the Charity Commission the blame lawyer firstly the government and i cant shift it and it lies with the aid agencies themselves turned a blind eye for a long time to things they must have known were going on more more every day you something more comes out oh delf thank you and thats it for the show will be back on monday with britains buzz astronauts in space Helen Sharman britain out of mainstream narratives because while she rode the wind wind over the gun before she flew in a russian spacecraft after responding to an advertisement on the radio till then. It will be back on monday eighteen years in the day and last march is in manhattan after the acquittal of four Police Officers charged with killing somebody to be memorialized in song by Bruce Springsteen trivium Lauryn Hill Vera munch the three great dead prez mopey Immortal Technique and public enemy. 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