A child drinks water the child is poisoning him or herself but they cant leave their caged in as your former Prime Minister put it gaza is an open air prison lets just skip through because i know you go through the day doctrine which is to do with lebanon and then explain who goldstone judge goldstone is and how initially he caused sadness than an uplifting feeling amongst those who support the palestinians and then ultimately the tragic and it was an important moment and i hope youll allow me to give you the time to explain under International Law war crimes consist of three things disproportionate attacks indiscriminate attacks and targeting of civilians. Those are equivalent under International Law that is to say there is no hierarchy this proportionate force indiscriminate force and targeting of civilians are all considered equal war crimes along came Goldstone Goldstone had to resort to speak immunities immunity number one is a very respected International Jurist munin the number two hes not only jewish but hes not jewish just by fortune hes proudly jewish hes very self identified as a jew number three he self identified this is zionist he doesnt run away from that label thats who i am he sits on the board of directors of the Hebrew University in jerusalem his daughter did what is called namely she when she went to israel for nationalistic reasons he is a bona fide zionist jewish respected jurist he produces a report and he crosses a red line it causes a red line he said the attacks were not in the sensually disproportionate and not essentially indiscriminate he said the purpose of operation cast lead was to punish humiliate and terrorize a civilian population in other words israel israels objective was not military it was not targeting combatants it was not targeting military sites its objective was the civilian population that was a horse of a totally different color and just very briefly and then suddenly he recanted well he came under huge attack personal attack professional attack dredging up his past when he was a judge in south africa under the Apartheid Regime going for the moral juggler telling him he cant attend his grandsons or mitt in south africa hes in south africa he was a south African Citizen and still is comes under tremendous attack and then on. First two thousand and eleven which is april fools day in the United States we all thought it was a prank opened up the newspaper Washington Post he recanted the whole report because he said that he had underestimated the number of hamas military casualties because previously everyone had said how is it that hamas had been untouched by the british back warplane as strikes well killing songs goldstone claim that he recanted because of what he called new information that since he had published the report the report was published he came to new conclusions based on new information i went through all the new socalled new information there was no new information its very clear there was no new information i can even say ill admit i cant prove it but i talked to a very respected jurist who knows goldstone very well very well he said theres no way he wrote that we cant asian in the Washington Post he knows his style this it was it was very murky calling from him because a large part of the book there goes on to the right so im going to not let me get to the point after he recounted everybody got scared because in my opinion i can prove it again he recanted not because of the public pressure but because he was blackmailed the public pressure i go through the details doesnt make sense i think it was blackmail he said of course. They found dirt on him everybody even the most you why Amnesty International as well because after the goldstone everybody got scared what is what is israel gotten us because everybodys got a skeleton in their closet and even the most impeccable person has a relative who has a skeleton in their closet personal threats not work placements that i see overseas i think there were personal threats or fear of personal threat and so what happens after. Operation cast lead in two thousand and nine there were about three hundred human rights of works everybody was weighing in after operation protective edge in july august two thousand and fourteen which was many times worse than operation cast lead six thousand homes were destroyed during cast lead eighteen thousand during operation protective protective edge three hundred fifty children killed during task five hundred fifty children joined protective edge there were you know you could count on the fingers of two hands the number of human rights supports Human Rights Watch put out a substantial report after operation cast lead after operation protective edge one skimpy forget about what i mean you do say it in the book planet of the national and so amnesty was the only one that actually weighed in after the operation protective five reports complete total disaster i want to just say because the city may be listening and i want to say i dont the book is not written with malice against amnesty i was so crush i was so devastated because i had depended on amnesty if you look at the first four chapters in operation cast lead a lot of its based on amnesty they put out a very good report of the twenty two days of the. Operation cast lead twenty to the death and destruction. Stuff on protective edge you wanted to see you were like suffocating what are you doing here ill give you one example. They put out a report its called families under the rubble and it describes israels targeting of homes during operation protective and it says well israel destroyed all these homes many civilians were killed and they said attacks were disproportionate tax were indiscriminate but then they say we think there was a hamas militant in this house and we think it was a hamas militant in that house and we think it was a hamas militant as if as if this was a legitimate military attack they have become excessive but then you read the breaking the silence the Israeli Soldiers who were in gaza and they described what happened and what you see happen was. 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Is the day of reckoning coming will the liberal Corporate Media ever own up to their dismal and even dishonest coverage of what is called russia gate there is growing evidence the media are at the very center of this fake scandal. Welcome back were still here with professor Norman Finkelstein can i just take us back to the eightys the first intifada now that you are now approaching the. Quote you quote little ignoring. This is when britain labor and tory governments were refunding them that they were trying shooting to kill shooting doing just beatings masseur rest torture trial detentions sanctions of course and yet they still keep on fighting a child is now in the news i had tell me me. Hopes you think of getting a fast trial in the only democracy in the middle east theres no hope of her getting a fair trial if you look at the record in fact the that seldom. Human Rights Organization for the occupied territories it has stopped cold water. Coordinating in co cooperating with the Israeli Military trials because its just forces so were not going to even bother anymore to go through the motions because all that does is provide a. Smokescreen for israel that theres a Legal Process going on when there isnt so we can leave aside that its a done deal shes not getting a fair trial but we have to look out the potential there is a potential there the palestinians have basically tried three strategies they have tried to armed resistance thats gaza the fact of the matter is speaking honestly they want they want into combat with israel three times protected and most. Pillar of the fence in the number two thousand and twelve each time the goal was the same to end the siege it didnt work it didnt work one of the and brutal illegal immoral see it didnt work the armed resistance is not produced the result the objective that they sought we all can agree its now kind of not the discussion any more diplomacy doesnt work its a waste of time called the fancy hotels they just talk and doesnt change and eventually america. Seems to back that point of that hell still go to still go to the meetings because he likes the five star hotels but there his head as the reason why but that is the reason im not a complete imbecile which is a serious possibility and he doesnt even realize that nothing is happening and sure he would say of a positive i write stories like. This. And then there is the third possibility which is mass nonviolent resistance and i do believe that there has potential in our back to know that i had to go after your book. And some people may wonder because obviously there was a one when we went to hit israel and one against israel was obviously has will how will it what is no violence that youre talking about how does it fit in with gun the and with with military well lets be clear i am very emphatic in the book. The palestinians have the right to arm resistance they have the right to fire their socalled rockets at israel i do not waver i am not equal on that point i said. I say they have the legal right look at what the law says go through the law very carefully they have the right to resist with armed force the Israeli Occupation and the israeli denial of the right to selfdetermination but there is a big have that separates what you legally have the right to do and whats politically prudent that is to say what works and i say in the book that although they have the legal right and i will not for a moment retreat in cowardice from that point i say politically it has not produced the results that were your announced objective namely to end the siege on the other hand i do believe that mass nonviolent resistance has the possibility lets take a simple example the image that. Illuminated the palestinian oppression during the first intifada was the little children with the stones the children of the stones as it was called and the National Public opinion accepted the right of children to throw stones in the face of this is really killing machine they had the right to throw stones against israel the occupiers now imagine use your imagination for a moment the israelis were raging they were furious they were driven mad by this little girl i had them in me who smacks an israeli soldier how dare you smack and over. Mention how dare the enter mention the subhuman smack and over mention and its really soldier and there are all these serious debates on israeli t. V. Whether the soldier was showing im or over the show whether the soldier was showing our this by not reacting to the girl imagine if the palestinians adopted the strategy every woman should smack a soldier smack a soldier today just like we have the meat to movement let them have a mito i slapped a soldier to the israelis would go mad they would kill men and i have an opportunity a possibility now thats according to ghandi by the way one of the things he says is if a woman is being raped and the woman to resist the rapist she smacks him she scratches him she pummels him gun this is in my view thats not violence thats a person trying to summon the moral courage to die with dignity he says i dont call that violence he said when you have such a vast disproportion in power between the zero presser and the zero press when the oppressed in cages and some kinds of what you might call symbolic resistance armed he said in my book thats not violence so he said in one nine hundred thirty nine the german vera mocked the army the aloof to invade poland. Poland comes out with a few tanks a few artillery pieces to resist the german army and air force gandhi said thats not violence that analogy is exactly with the palestinians a few token rockets or a young woman smacking a soldier whos been occupying humiliating degrading destroying the lives of people for fifty years five decades and she doesnt have the right to smack this person who invades her home kills her cousin you know you have that right even not leave aside the international or even the apostle of nonviolence Mahatma Gandhi said you have that right i have no doubt none whatsoever if he were alive today and he was as you might know a strong proponent of what he called dr an arab rights in palestine was near palestinian rights arab rights in palestine and he was very emphatic in one nine hundred thirty six as you know there was the arab uprising against the British Occupation of palestine and gandhi was asked about it and he said look i wish they would adopt the tactic of nonviolence i wish but he said according to the canons see an awareness according to the canons of right and wrong they have the right to use armed force in other words according to current legality and morality are people under occupation have the right he says i wish they would choose my strategy but they arent under a legal obligation to not resist the people of gaza they are under a legal obligation to just lay down and die. Of blockade a blockade which is at the point of making the place on livable unlivable the whole International Community knows it israel itself says it and theyre supposed to lay down and die they dont have the right to resist now that makes no sense to me so im not going to fall. Im going to say i dont think its a wise or prudent strategy i think if you took the one million children of gaza you put them at the head of a mass demonstration and you marched in those checkpoints which are suffocating them which are strangling them strangulating them which are frightening them you march in those checkpoints and you say were going from room were growing through i think israel will have a very hard time when they kill children yes im not doubting it but the point is youre in operation protective and they killed five hundred fifty children people of gaza got nothing for it the blockade is still there the siege is still there i think if you bring a bring a million children and. You raise a legitimate demand. And the siege and the blockade this place is unliveable the water is poison this will kill maybe ten kids killed twenty kids but where the way way before you reach five hundred fifty if they manage to stay nonviolent the people of gaza israel will be forced by International Pressure to break the siege present on finkelstein thank you. Joining me now to go through some of the weeks headlines is broke and former liberal democrat member of Parliament Lembit opec he wrote the headlines i have there something you quick switcheroo u. K. Prime minister meets the dutch pm today yes he lost deserve foreign minister over putin so whether these connections that weve got between german corbin and something russian and salvi at and eastern and evil and evil you know that because its in the mail online to reason made demands Jeremy Corbyn authorized the release of his stars after he was named in a foreign spy dossier as a contact for a check agent you cant get a much longer headline jack mate obviously you have it just go i should because i was the first ever journalist in the study had quarters in the i didnt you know when they broke through and told they want to keep the files safe so that we can find out things like its them safe maybe you were trying to conceal the dirty secrets of jeremy called is your take on this story its rubbish its complete rubbish Jeremy Corbyn as never been afraid of his sympathy towards the left he was always a peacenik in his past days before being an even meeting diplomats i mean certain oh of come to get the Boris Johnson story which we dont have here whos he me toyo this is the other point Boris Johnsons friend friend has been exposed as a spy too but that doesnt count because hes conservative going out in the russian he doesnt doesnt count its just a little corbin because he did loves the russians maybe Boris Johnson going to defend her father than day on friday to moscow and commemorate all the millions of fought against the nazis unlike was present to the. As a celebration of the bafta this event i want to get now enough ok anyway lets go to a bank seventy three percent owned by the u. K. Taxpayer yesterday going well the herald reports r. B. S. Never challenged infamous let customer memo says conduct report lots of secret documents have come out suggesting a certain lack of respect for customers including one suggesting that customers should be allowed to hang and another one saying that many of them are tiresome but remain numerous have slightly embarrassing concern i was the head of the financial conduct of already not releasing this until the Treasury Committee in parliament ordered them to what exactly is going on with regulation involved here why dont you ask them because a lot of people are asking that same question this seems to be in the Public Interest because it suggests a certain attitude towards the customers who are bearing the brunt of the collapse of the british and frankly western Banking Industry they havent really come forward yet there will be apologies there will be red faces but it does give an insight into how grateful the banks were for us bailing them out maybe if we took the twenty seven percent back as well the bank wouldnt be letting customers hang and i presume that wasnt so literally lets not go to a tweet from a very senior figure in the turkish government yes this is a complicated story option colleen has tweeted hes a government spokesman jerkiness how we can translate into our can this be a chance they didnt says the news reports of people i. D. Why p. T. Ill explain that in a minute agreements with the regime on our friend or apparently for propaganda purposes however it does not mean there are not some secret and dirty bargains going on whatever happens zayton dolly military action will continue taking place and it will reach its goal complicated to allow the turks in the truck thats right whats really underlying this is a web of intrigue would suggest that americas been fighting terror with terror theres another group called the p. K. K. Which is regarded as a terrorist organization but american money american arms five thousand uploads. Weapons have somehow been poured into this mass presumably to fight assad but actually really hasnt made much of an impact except to give the terrorists songs thats why its so complex its not that complex russia syria the United States working with the p. K. Allies enough for and against britain and turkey no thats completely not the case nato civil war well its nato civil war but its not that civil war within a civil war because its not told clear why america is essentially backing both sides turkey stating that theyre the ones who are sorting out the problem to some extent it looks like theyre right but im telling you its exactly biased well i think it should be on the side of washington the most go finally united accomplis youve just said its against london now but anyway i meant ok self at the same time thank you thats it for the show will be back on saturday would be off the coauthor of britains twenty fifty modern slavery act the bishop of dolby alice to redfern if the idea of modern slavery in a society now driven to use food banks and rules the poor till then he because they buy social media is going to be fifteen years in the day of the death of marxist historian of the english revolution Christopher Hill author of the world turned upside down. 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