Polls that are for the situation can be changed drastically after the split of a loop and i believe some split over lou because you know. The mood in the parliament in the government and the close circle of put him there is it comes some sort of the loop can i ask you a question about that because specifically about the Power Transition and the change of power in russia all the candidates in these elections including putting himself say that in principle they support. That powers need to be changed in their regular bases but i think for the kremlin the question is always not why but when and how if. Tomorrow wakes up and decides you know ive been in power for way too long i just need to find something more exciting to do with the rest of my life just saying our country the state that it is right now with its very weak checks and balances made that the system that exists today. With a Law Enforcement that they exist today with the levels of corruption do you think the country based system can withstand that i think that it will be changed within six years pushing come true we have another president or another constitution although there is an idea to start to mend in the constitution in order to confirm like put to forever model for those who dont please enter into the well these are all having the Distribution Campaign again and that people will start fighting for property that the corrupt people that exist within the system will try to monopole lies their position and get it gets precise and it does that we dont believe will have will help us to reach. This changes because i know that they want to. Restore relations with the west because they want them dont want russia to be as a lay to the want to restore relations with the west because they have already their children to start entirely and they have assets that are you know your station of the day we do russian side you know the russians that properly is ready for that will be a trigger to changes but People Bottle its not a very democratic thing to say you know i dont know but i know the history of all comfort it will be. Like Movement Towards each other the lives of the people saw their position will work of the growth of the Grassroots Level the elite will try to support this movement that i believe from changes but i think that it will happen until two thousand and twenty four because. The look of the problem in three part is. For example just russia there is no just brush anymore they have no way when the young leader of so young politicians held a prayer while he was reading off cue his seventy two or seventy three its his last campaign so there is no oil the per hour so we will have changes we will. You will see the change of political decoration in the parliament after two thousand and twenty one they like to call it political decoration so we need to build the base for the future Political Party at the Grassroots Level but at the same time there is are at technological revolution we have the internet we have for our life and brazing technologies mr gadhafi you know that we do not edit this interview thats why i have to give our viewers a very short break well be back in just a few moments. And am i. I i i. In america a College Degree requires a great deal. Paying a decades was damaged. In the study itself hard it requires trying. To go through humiliation to enter and it leads society. Sometimes quite literally. Watch other true colors of universities in the u. S. Welcome back to worlds apart with richard good coffee and opposition politician here in russia and a former member of parliament dimitri just before the break we were talking about the current state of russia and. You are expressing a very dim view of whether or not anything can change at least with the current authorities in power and its interesting that this current elections i think already. Being brought on a cordon you know according to different sort of roles for example just six years ago politicians from nonparliamentary parties had to get two million votes now that there has been drastically decreased the territorial principle of voting has been also scrapped as much as you or people from the opposition like to say that its the same all the actions but theyre very predictable results dont you think that the police there a little bit the system itself electoral system a little bit more accommodating to both voters and people who run down it used to be lets say six years ago. Very little difference from the same time. The. Opportunity to prove to be registered to produce a bridge and theres a lot physics were told just know all the time one of putting created was denied registration. He was considered as a strong of a liberal politician or come from i mean there. You know im the his the most popular figure in the whole country i mean in the opposition and he was to purchase a page on this and i think people believe that this is the people you see on the part of the papers or its negative impact on the because nobody knows how many all those legitimized over locations and its a problem thats why many people refuse to go to the polling stations to vote because they dont believe in any changes in russia so i assume that its not the real issue election its not the vote its not an election but of the same time i support. To purchase a big with a license to do Everything Possible to create a Political Force for the future elections the work of the Grassroots Level can i enjoy your attention to the current elections because you mentioned the war there for a change before and i would think that scrapping this territorial. Principle of voting allowing people to follow the at polling stations of their choosing rather than where they are registered creates a great opportunity for the opposition because bad measure would be most appealing to younger urban populations with higher degree of social mobility people who are more likely to have liberal or progressive views and if those people are allowed to vote here in moscow. Isnt that actually a good thing for the opposition dont you think that that may. Just mean are you with you because for example the people who want to vote for or see the widening his norm of the bill at least he was refused he was denied registration. Because of the politically motivated Court Decision so and you know and thats why i like people that dont you know sort of this elections as a real election and its a problem. Well it may be horrifying film going into the polling station to all of course i count on it when i watch t. V. To see how the rivals participate in discussions about. The reasons known the cold conditions for all candidates he says no not everyone is registered. Its not unlike some well i strongly disagree with you and i actually was you know this is a group ive heard in the only interviews you said not to long ago that most closed a large largest urban community in russia and here. During the last elections back in two thousand and twelve put in one but he got less than fifty percent of the polled so he supported in bigger cities is actually weaker than in the countryside if you add to that possibly hundreds of thousands of people who work in this city but were in control before i think that is actually a major part of the best opportunity the opposition have in this country and you dismissing it as a non opportunity is funny to me because i. Mean why are only saying there are you see im going to vote out i have my counted the im going to vote for you or you lose q. And i have a political obligation to him to support him because he supported me and when i was running for the state parliament lets imagine what for example in the in the supporters do or during the election they have no candidate to vote for but that you mentioned id buy you. The poor guy is not going to give you the go to your music as you say is on the ballot and he represents one of the oldest liberally minded opposition parties in brusha if you really believe in the values of volley supporters vote for him and shouldnt a volley be somebody if he believes in values rather he met his own candidacy shouldnt he be encouraging his supporters is all for you when different issue is different question its question to avoid this is a question i dont support his strategy to break coalitions but im going to vote im going to go to the polling stations but and never consider this election as a rule is it is it fair to say that in this particular case now vali is putting shes only person. Will a mission by the democratic liberal values is that a fair statement. That i come to i can understand what he said i wanted because he was. Conducted the complaining the last year but hes not racist but i can understand his emotions were the same term of course we have candidate from the liberal forces. In the i im going to vote for you. I supposed to participate in the elections and to support those who use groups who will be in the both least but it doesnt mean the this is a real bolt on the actual one Prominent Russian liberal bias said recently that one of the secrets of putdowns political lead to. Put it away or aside the administrative resource and like the certain electoral patterns in russia if you just focus on his political personality one of hes. One of the secrets to his appeal is that he successfully works with three main strands of the russian electorate the left the nationalists until last year extend the liberals even though i personally believe that hes starting to deliberately camp. Now if hes. Opponent do that they present themselves in the varo very narrow political lie they are either nationalist or liberal can you when kenny challenge puts in and the state to state that he represents by presenting yourself in such narrow terms by presenting yourself as a lets say a liberal candidate. I cant agree with a little bit. Put in the successful because there is no political competition for him so you can. Switch on the to the new you will see only put. I mean during the elections i mean before the elections there was only put on the t. V. And there is no more for elections there is no conditions for political competitions thats why hes a popular if you discounting any appeal of his political place you know some of the problem to look good when. You dont participate in two debates or discussions its no problem to have a high rate and there is no criticism in the ideal lots of criticism of him one day and these are all over so she willing to but then the penetration of the internet in russia is a bar seventy percent yes so you know. Unfortunately they channels are more popular but the Internet Sources now but i think that in the future we will have more opportunities to address our message to people now youre getting to know youve been very critical of the kremlin and let me mention one of the main kremlin criticism of the opposition. They are essentially say that their opposition is a bad bunch of egomaniacs who put their personal interest above common values and i think you can encounter at some of that even here in moscow when you were trying to fill those when you support candidates and you had a certain clash of personalities with your own allies why do you think its so difficult for the russian opposition especially liberally minded opposition to put their political ambitions to the side and focus on forming a united front i think that its a disease or our society its not only their positions but at the same time my strategy to unite people in the opposition managed to do that during the municipal elections because we recruit more than a thousand candidates from different parties part of most the open rush hour. Dependent movement and we support of those people. Two hundred six to several of them in their seats and it was because there was a complaint of united democracy and i will try to do that its a headache of the opposition that we can sometimes united for its can i ask you one about one more strategy that the opposition usually employs that you yourself have benefited from both of ali and you just some extent do you some on to corruption work and you use it as a means of gaining political attention do you think thats a good idea because some would argue that mixing politics and Anti Corruption allows the authorities to dismiss those investigations altogether as a political ploy dont you think that actually corruption in russia would bad if it if it was perceived as a non partisan rule of law or pursuit rather than a means to some political and i think this strategy works but maybe not so perfect that it used to be like three five years ago bunk there is a Strong Demand in our society to fight against corrupt that Officials Say that its a good to get into their reason to mushroom fortunately in russia and we need to are exposed to a lot of solidity but i do need to mix it to be in politics. Were trying to mix it with the politics and were trying to to propose. Polluter of reforms to try to get in the corruption so i worked with the legislations a tried to. And to corruption legislation while i was in them peeing in the parliament with a member of the parliament but unfortunately i was alone you know out of four hundred fifty deputies but dont you think that. Im to corruption of work should be nonpartisan in principle. I would say that all politicians will use these critics and criticism in their political purposes. But of course it should be out of order. Quote mr going to have to leave it there i really appreciate your time today and charlie rose please keep the conversation going on our social media pages as for me hope to see again same place same time here on worlds apart. Thanks guys its financial survival guide. When customers go by you reduce the price. Well reducing lower. Thats undercutting not whats good for market its not good for the global economy. Or that. 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At the top of the hour my colleague who will take you through the stories that have shaped the week coming up on r. T. International we have going underground and in the u. K. And ireland keep watching. Time after time here were going underground is about a minority government leader theresa may spells out dangers to nato want to stage at the Munich Security Conference coming up on the show but a forced resignation of president Jacob Zuma Herald the end of the new liberal Mandela Legacy in south africa we investigate major nation looting of africas financially richest country and as the Doomsday Clock ticks ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon we speak of the unofficial war artist be to kill or be head of c. N. D. About trump north korea and sixty years of the campaign for Nuclear Disarmament london streets turn into catwalk for london the first week iconic design of danger broods on with a wreck that may still be empty of any future called which is all the civil war going on the days going underground but first its no surprise that when it comes to enemies todays munich speech by tourism a well named jack russia shes done it before russia has fermented conflict in the donbass repeatedly violated the National Airspace of several European Countries and mounted a sustained campaign of Cyber Espionage and disruption. This is included meddling in elections and hacking the Danish Ministry of defense and put them to stark among many others. It is seeking to weaponize information deploying state run media organizations to plant fake stories and photo shopped images in an attempt to sell discord in the west and anyone seeing wednesdays episode of going underground will have seen the ambassador of the Russian Federation to the u. K. Deny serious allegations like that made by britains minority government leader let alone allegations like these from the head of the cia will be in germany today it seems that the world is stunned that the russians are trying to to poke their hand into the us elections and polls because this is not a new phenomenon the technology is different the tools that they use are different but this was a threat in twenty six it will be a threat in the midterm elections and twenty eight will be a threat in two thousand and twenty until theres a new leader in russia i suspect it will be a threat to the United States for an awfully long time well arguably that koolaid has certainly been drunk by another european leader who this week appears to have threatened unilateral action in syria here is damning the journalists at this t. V. Channel said uli shows. On this are going to place this on at least fifty. Three yes. Of course millions around the world may disagree with president macklemore about his idea of what journalism is especially when it comes to french criminal colonialism in africa while british media has focused on its old colony of south africa this week the state of africa its continued looting by new liberal institutions goes virtually unheard in nato nation media this while the ordinary peoples of nato nations generously donate to charities charities which in the u. K. Have now been revealed to be less than perfect will have more on charity from save the children on Mondays Program but joining me now from Port Elizabeth is someone who works for Nelson Mandela patrick baum professor political of. Economy at the university of waters and school of governance in johannesburg how do you characterize the talk left walk right policies of successive and c. Governments not alone that of jacob zuma as he said and boasted of millions now connected to electricity and ninety five percent with access to clean water well thats the claim and there are many such claims of development the problem is because near the broad water policy exists that means you can put pipes in but if you cant afford the water that goes through the pipes the taps you turn them on and nothing comes out and thats two thirds of those ninety five percent and others theres been a lot of sort of delivery of capital goods but its the operating and maintenance expenses where theyre trying to do Cost Recovery in a neo liberal way you know like the corporations demand many french Water Companies have tried their luck but people are too poor we have about a sixty five percent poverty rate and that means people really have to illegally reconnect with electricity connect wires and so at about eighty percent of the people are reconnected illegally thats because these services are priced too high so even if theyre delivered they may not be accessible. Of course the talk left war great rhetoric increased from president zuma from time to time how serious no others other practitioners of that rhetoric the south African Federation of trade unions and of course the Economic Freedom fighters who appeared to be talking like mandela when he was fighting the guerrilla war oh thats right and the traditions in a way of the freedom charter of nationalizing the banks mines monopoly capital thats really well expressed through the Economic Freedom fighters the second Opposition Party getting about nine ten percent support and then as you say the south African Federation of trade unions especially with the Metal Workers so thats basically the big left thats going to keep an eye on. And yes this is always easy to talk left when youre out of power and when you have to run a government under the constraints of power blocs like local capital and Global Capital and global imperial power then it does get tricky and the dilemma is if youve got a big nationalist movement that got rid of apartheid and youve prestigious amongst the township activists the rural people its slow but pretty sure that you waste that as we saw with jacob zuma and taba mbeki and even Nelson Mandela and heres the dilemma that means that they especially especially jacob zuma the last few weeks have been blaming the west generically never specific and they say look because we brought south africa to the brics the west is trying to even assassinate to physically poison jacob zuma thats his personal claim he was poisoned he did get treatment in russia he recovered and its one of those moments where the talk left in the and time period his rhetoric really reached quite a peak but it didnt really confuse the society too much and as you see in theyve just knocked jacob zuma out of power storm of course the candidate the darling of big business has just moved in to the presidency because your university is located in the in the city which will host the bric summit this year in the summer. Some people saying that brazil of the b. Of brics is already gone the former cia asset no less in the government there Cyril Ramaphosa what does he going to say thats going to be interesting at the brics summit well you know hes got these connections to western capital and of course shan duke a company that he ran was often in competition both with the big. Multinationals the glen corps and the b. H. P. Billiton anglo coles the big boys but he found working relationships with them for example he was the top investor in lawmen and there was a tragedy where he emailed a request for a police pointed response against dastardly criminals and the next day it was american a massacre of the lawmen strikers in two thousand and twelve very tragic event but you know that background for sure of course included lots of illicit financial flows western tax havens its interesting as to whether hell adapt in other words find not only the friends in western capital as hes well regarded World Economic forum and all the rest but also make his move towards brics and the tricky thing is brics isnt particularly coherent right now you have to render modi also connected very tightly to Donald Trumps regime theyre hugging their greeting theyre doing pentagon and Indian Military deals or israel as a common connection. Or as russia and china have been in the news here because the Russian Nuclear sales were very controversial sauron opposed to oppose them recently and they probably wont go through your pay to get context which arguably could encourage people in the world bank of the i. M. F. Just remind us about the legacy of those two institutions as opposed to brics in south africa and of course africa more widely well indeed thats why the Brics New Development Bank which has a new Africa RegionalCenter Branch in sandton in the financial district although its empty there hasnt been any activity they would be promising in theory because the world bank has a disastrous record they were promoting lawman corp. That sort of responsibility they were part of the cash grant system was very controversial for exploiting poor people they made the biggest loan in their history here a big coal fired power plant which was corrupt through hitachi and the local a. N. C. Fundraising arm and you know they learnt to apartheid they provided post apartheid macroeconomic advice which was highly neoliberal very very unfortunate record the i. M. F. As well they led to apartheid and then their first loan to the new government it was actually just before the new government came in in ninety three locked in the neoliberal conditions that are unpopular thered be plenty of people in this country ready for a break from the i. M. F. And World Bank Just tell me why the call me is in south africa back Cyril Ramaphosa rather than say the Economic Freedom fighters you obviously want a much bigger break than even brics maybe oh thats right the fed has said theyre marxist leninist phenomena so the france fernand tradition the communist party comes from a slightly more soviet centered tradition because they had strong support from the also that union so often the phrase stalinist is used i think that may be unfair but the