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Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics Small Business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back you gave minority government leader Prime Minister tourism a has returned from communist china in about seventy two hours or so but has she done enough to ingratiate herself with the superpower of the twenty First Century because despite local media referring to her as aunty may many have been left wondering whether the u. K. Has reached its stated goal of becoming chinas best partner in the west joining me now is Oxford University fellow dr chris could turn out to chris thanks for going back on have we done enough after its great to be back have we done in the us has theresa may done enough i guess it depends what her objectives are and i think that you know when it comes to china so often theres divided constituencies theres one group who feel strongly that yes china is the superpower of the twenty First Century and so we need to do everything we can to access open up markets for goods Products Services and people and then there are other people who look more soberly at. That is the key to creating with who. I mean. The challenge and this is why its you know its a difficult tightrope for theresa may and i think pretty much every western politician to walk is on the one hand the sheer scale of china means that you know its role economically politically is undeniable and has to be reckoned with we need to be trading with engaging with china and on the other hand it has its own Strategic Interests and were you know here in the u. K. Or back home in my canada were naive if we dont think that it is also events and Strategic Interests in the world were naive if we always think that they align with ours and and so its always a difficult i think you know penetrating analysis that has to be done but how do we balance those two sometimes conflicting objectives before we get too big a specifics does china need to trade with britain some saying the middle class the job. China would have trouble even fulfilling the design as in dreams of chinas growing middle clubs little would be able to export goods as the world of. Twenty years and i mean this is a good question so you know in the specific case of britain you know could china get by without trade with britains for sure it could be written today only the fifth largest economy where the fifth largest economy we only export about three percent of our total exports to china and its basically automobiles and tourism which is Chinese Tourists coming to london and shopping or are coming to our universities and studying here. And there in lies the giant opportunity for British Business of course i mean the skys the limit with with how much that could be increased but from a chinese perspective you know the absolute value of trade with britain i think is is far less important then having an ally within the west that has you know for example been the first major western power to get on board with the Asian InfrastructureInvestment Bank just a big washington goes away in washington and again this is this tight rope right it is not easy to decide when do we need to weigh our Strategic Interests highly or as a priority and senator or member member the can of this is not you know and so again we walk this tightrope and we dont say no and you know people who look at the other multilateral Investment Banks whether its the world bank. Or the i. M. F. You know they soberly see that theres there is good in having a new kid on the block with a new innovative model a lot of people agree that theres just too much bureaucracy in overhead within some of these other Multilateral Development banks and so you know we cant we sometimes we may just sort of sometimes make the mistake of assuming that you know chinas motives are always nefarious and that is just as naive as believing that it doesnt have a strategic. Interest you know when it acts in the world the truth is a balance of both its always about in the case trying to figure out which it is well in fact is the United States isnt retaliated against David Camerons decision when George Osborne was to join to be what do you think just just for a second what do you think donald trump would do to mr trudeau if canada suddenly decided to be like britain as regards that thats a good and sober quest war on canada. And the politics of it is because nafta is at risk in north america probably the trudeau government isnt going to do all that much to make more enemies within washington until they get past nafta and then maybe they have some flexibility to go their own way i mean i think that the challenge within the United States and the opportunity for china is that i dont really think that the trumpet ministration does have. A very well thought out approach to how its going to deal with what really is the big game of the twenty First Century which is you know whereas twenty five years ago there was really only one political economy which was rules based free market economic ideology or arguably and i know that im simplifying the case because i only have a few minutes but now there is very strongly an alternative model which is state driven hybrid economy. You know one model is promoted through multilateral free trade agreements like the Transpacific Partnership from which donald trump withdrew the United States and the other model is promoted by you know unilateral initiatives that arent rules based but are primarily interest based like the built in Road Initiative and that one is moving it tourism has refused point blank to endorse the built in Road Initiative in a practical sense it is an ambition to develop infrastructure and trade linkages. About seventy countries in asia in africa in europe and in the middle east about thirty countries have officially signed on to the one built one Road Initiative and and at least declared theres about nine hundred billion dollars of Infrastructure Investments that have been put on the table and the broad strategic objective for china is to reorient the balance of global trade to wardes eurasia and if we think about the Twentieth Century that really the balance of trade was atlantic it was between europe and the americas. China sees the twenty First Century balance shifting to eurasia and they see both the opportunity and the strategic benefit of driving that rebalance historical president s is a war it is a b. Then england or the persian empire i mean we were that the original silk road which if you look at the models and the maps that beijing puts out today its basically the current built in roads duplicating the original silk roads which were both the overland trade route sort of through what is now pakistan all the way to europe and then sort of the along the ocean coast trade routes through singapore up of the coast of the indian ocean and ultimately into the mediterranean through through the through the persian gulf. But of course now that there is a may is not endorsing it well at all it would have no role going to pull up up what do you think the people in beijing are going to think when they read in the papers that to raise them a refuses to endorse their project. I mean i suppose its its a setback from a from a chinese perspective from a beijing perspective its also an opportunity. If if theresa may had come on board and said yes we are with it then they would be touting that as heres further evidence that everyone else should be a part of this this is a legitimate project this is not china trying to be you know saying its illegitimate. Well again theres this there is this you know always an open question about what are the Strategic Interests. And do they align with us what is the conversation being had now and the tree some a has said no were not going to get on board is. China phobia is alive and well in the west right there is this kind of hysteria that everything were trying to do has some nefarious out here your motive well we had to have joining in the way of doing Good Business there was a president ial campaign after all what he said about you know we did it but the reality is that and i dont want to percentages on this is only going to be really known hindsight but you know a lot of the investment a lot of the development that is going to happen that has happened and is going to happen under belt and road is going to be Good Business its going to be about Building Energy infrastructure so that we can build manufacturing within africa middle east other parts of asia and thats going to be good for the people who benefit from it you can see here what youre saying just there if we just stop you there how if you look at the wastelands off to kill a to the first stage of the union the waistlines of the midwest or if you go ten miles north of this studio here in Central London and you see the destruction of even some services. Offices let alone factories and so on youre talking about massive infrastructure you think of different places so i guess lets be clear that belt and road is and this is where we get into you know what strategic interest this is a this is an initiative that you know chinese president xi jinping has conceived and is promoting to strengthen chinas economic linkages in the world its not his plan for how the whole world lifts and gets better and to the extent that the road succeeds in sort of shifting. From a Twentieth Century where trade was atlantic focused to the twenty First Century where its eurasian focused there is no question that along sort of the current trade routes theres going to be losers and when you say you did you detect the strategic problems being debated perhaps here and why to a win in davos britains woman in beijing investor barbara wood wood said the u. K. Saw itself as a natural partner of belton rude seeming to contradict to raise amaze laser thoughts