To our forum. Where we are some people of course. They cant fly as well as alex and i will fight for them and that is what we do this is what we do it we will we will. We will win if in the end but its a war for food in a way thats what death i was about this week was about and. Its been one. Where we went to war. People we pick will win awards of all men award for roy. What if we lose a lot. And im afraid this is war for most some people. Come government i dont care if i could have one word with estimate right now. For instance you know what youve got blood on your hands for your during this government has blood on its hands the human rights abuses that human catastrophe of the cuts and this i will peoples lives for the foulness of people are no longer here. Disabled people right now is. Another organizations and groups out there get involved join in. These are your rights these are your services you can fight back and do something about it its not hopeless it might feel like. There are people out there to support groups out there to get involved when he can do something about this and its rattles the m. P. s when you go into parliament uncertainty by because you are living testimony of what theyre doing and i cant run from that. Heart i try and deny that we dont exist we are here and i am here to say this is wrong and we will fight back. If youve been affected by any of the issues raised contact any of the following organizations which may be able to provide professional help and advice coming up after the break pull from collective punishment or austerity britain the u. K. Work a bit of select committees rules george impeach claims the number of british suicides of those being assessed for disability is double pole is a bore coming up in part two of going underground. The world is getting away from us dollars wall reserve currency the one road one belt policy linking up russia and china is out of the dollar every loss of trade oil away from the dollar and countries are desperate to get out of the u. S. Dollar so the dollar is going to lose value no matter what anybody says so heres the treasury secretary really trying to make it look like oh its our balls are for a lower dollar dont really matter what he says the dollar is going lower as weve been saying for a number of years because the u. S. Dollar is a kind see that other countries recognize as funding the war and the weapons on the property that theyre trying to escape. Oh no appetite i mean for conflict is very very low these days and Public Service much more eager to see economic improvement than they are to. Actually get into a fight with a neighbor or or with other powers in the world. Welcome back in the first half of the show we had from two people in different stages. When arguably ask a settlement process that has been ruled by the British High Court as blatantly discriminatory the d. W. P. Said we introduced pip to replace the outdated d. L. A. System pip is a better benefit which takes a much wider look at the way an individuals Health Condition or disability impacts them on a daily basis underpaid twenty nine percent of claimants receive the highest rate of support compared to fifteen percent under the d. L. A. Our next guest attended this weeks debate on personal and about abatements ruth george labor m. P. And member of the u. K. Work and Pensions Committee joins me now ruth welcome back you are going underground so we heard a little earlier from some of those affected by these disability tests conducted by private contractors or appeared on the show about three created a debate in parliament about this what are you hearing from your constituents about disability testing absolutely i think all them pays a hearing from their constituents about disability testing we get in cases through often every week. Particularly after i was first elected i agreed to meet with a group of women who were survivors of Sexual Violence and abuse who wanted to tell me about how the benefit system had affected their im a member of the work and Pensions Select Committee so they wanted me to be able to take that very harrowing evidence and try and use it change the systems that theyre finding because so many assessments are not allowed to be done as a Home Assessment then people have to travel often considerable distance to an Assessment Center somewhere in a in a big city very impersonal buildings often and for someone whos a survivor of violence and is often and suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder then thats incredibly difficult thing to do and very traumatic again let alone to be faced with an assessor who simply wants to get them through a list of questions in the time allotted and they have a standard script to follow i mean ive heard from women whove said. Theyve been curled up on the floor and crying from the trauma of having to relive the experiences that theyve been through and describe the impact that its had on them with an assessor who simply repeats the question to them doesnt acknowledge their trauma and their grief at all and this has a Lasting Impact on people who have to go through the process no you also said the. Newton leaders abilities to do instead as to regress department they want to give people a good Customer Experience will you make of the answer to what you just said when you said the environment what i asked them really is a language that gives people a good Customer Experience its very much the language of the private sector but i i dont object to the fact that if people in they they do you have to we do have to have some form of assessment for benefits we cant just have anyone who applies to receive benefit absolutely we all understand that on all sides of the house but you want to make sure that its a helpful experience where he means these words means tested before were they being means tested now why do you recognise the importance of mean its its not so much means testing for income its about testing what people are able to do what nasal. Work and i mean the government say that they want to enable people to live a fulfilling life often there should be enough medical evidence from peoples medical records to be able to ascertain whats the point where theyre all in knots theyre able to work for some people there might be a need for them i mean my view is that theres far too many people having to undergo these assessments far too many are having to go to Assessment Centers and the private companies that are doing them are actually cutting the costs by particularly outsource or i. A. S. As theyre now calling themselves say about sixty nine percent of their assessments are done in Assessment Centers whereas the other company kept it so its its only says. Percent a done it assessment senators members of the minority conservative government say the problem with what were going through is you dont understand that we have to reduce costs theres no doubt this is reduced cost testing the most vulnerable in society to bail out because of the cost of bailing out the banks incentivizing bankers to come here this is what is what is important you dont realize it because. Government is again still repeating even though theyve changed their mind on the testing regime that its intention is to reduce cost by twenty percent absolutely thats the aim is to reduce costs but the government themselves are admitting that theyre failing in that way the whole system is actually costing more than it did previously partly because weve got private Companies Involved so theyre making a profitable way although maybe only if you are not as in peoples hundred quid a week is it. Disability benefit theyre paying the disability benefit but i mean theyre also paying for the costs of the whole assessment process where were seeing so many hundreds of thousands of people having to go to monday to reconsideration and then even more than that having to go to tribunals and appeal because the decisions are wrong thats costing the state millions almost a balance of sounds really added to the cost of the assessment process so if you are deed in the costs to the government of rectifying the appalling decision that they made to illegally refuse people with psychological trauma support in order to get out of the house then thats going to cost three point seven billion pounds to reassess that make takes up all of the savings that theyve made over a three year period they should have simply done these assessments properly in the first place in a way that really supports people with disabilities evie made properly why are they being made at all i mean now the government has seemed to sense i suppose you would have it and i just cited to to it now again reassess what went six million claims. Thats the right decision listening government finally weve had the right decision that the government needs to reassess the claims of one point six Million People to make sure that theyre receiving the benefits that they need to make sure that they get the support that they need to get out of the house to work if theyre able to do that. Certainly we on the labor benches would say they need to look very carefully at how they do that to try and make sure that they dont actually contribute. Any more why are we testing them at who are even if one figure is seven hundred Million Pounds the cost to someone argue torture people out of one hundred pounds a week do you in the labor board who seem to believe there are a significant number of people faking Mental Illness no absolutely. Not certainly not saying that Everybody Needs to be tested by any means and only a very small number should actually have to go for any sort of assessment with measure that who is tested im certainly arguing on the work and Pensions Select Committee and the labor party are arguing that the government ought to be bringing this back inhouse so that weve got a proper system for training the assesses and proper system for making sure we havent got targets in place so that they have to meet the targets for the numbers of people who are refused benefits and that weve got a decent system that treats people properly not as weve seen from all the case studies that have come through give a general exam which is labor was only its not demagogue and Labor Party Policy to get rid of this its not mean says youre on income which means testing on health youre going to continue it if youre going to government what were saying is that the vast majority of people can be assessed from their medical records and that their medical information should be made available to assessors and it should be clear is day for most of that medical records what a person is capable of or not in a few cases because there are cases. Where people have graduations of a different disease then maybe theres a few people need to sesson but not the sort of ninety percent or so that assessed in Assessment Centers or at home as they are at the moment were looking more like a sort of five or ten percent number who may lead us what you would five or ten percent its done inhouse by the government in a way that supports people make sure that theyre actually getting the support that they need because thats part of it to some peers not return to blairism under the governing body that you are still going to means test this isnt this isnt about means testing its about where its absolutely necessary there will be cases where people have to be tested on abilities ok in the vast majority of cases that is not necessary what people are being put through is not necessary its not Cost Effective and all its doing is putting money in the pockets of private companies you not only on the official work and Pensions Committee environment here also in the Committee Regarding karelian the multimillion pound failure. Of the lodge was going to drag you to bring some of this experience youre having over a person depends very much disability testing to what you do on that committee i want to really i think its absolutely relevant to look at the way that these huge outsourced companies which game billions of pounds of taxpayers money are actually using that money whether theyre meeting quality standards and whether theres actually any competition in there to make sure theyre not simply taking money for old rope. Driving their own costs down driving paying conditions for their own staff down to the lowest common denominator but simply using a system that takes more and more contracts and fees off the government to prop up an increasingly failing internal financial structure where youve got huge dividends of directors taking huge bonus pay goes over it is a the taxpayer is being mugged for hundreds of millions of pounds to. Hurt these people are trying to get around. I think that if we look at the way the system operates the system is mugging people for. A by putting them through so much trauma that often they dont feel able to go through an appeal process because theyve been through so much as part of an assessment process already and those people individuals are losing out this is what we conservatives are meant to interview because the majority agree winning their cases on appeal yet almost two thirds of people win their cases on appeal thats how bad the system is i would absolutely advise people if they have been turned down for a benefit assessment that they should go to appeal if they feel they can cope with that process but theres so many people in such a fragile state of mind that they really dont feel they can cope weve had some figures in the last couple of months from Disability News Service who said that the number of suicides the proportion of suicides had actually doubled the people who wanted to they were capability assessments thats an absolutely appalling statistic that labor party have asked the government to go away and look at in the context of the questions on suicide that being asked in those assessments and its very important that we protect people absolutely i would want to see people go to appeal if they will get what they need and what they deserve from that i would hope that they can also find support through that process because it is so traumatic but unfortunately support services are being cut as well and many people are finding that theyre having to go through that whole legal a stick adversarial process with minimum support george greg thats over the show will be back on monday the door jam again showed the british member of parliament who represent the richest constituency in the u. K. Which includes the boy of kensington and chelsea she thinks a new government led by jeremy told me you can get to god with us by virtue of media with you only fifteen years in the day u. S. Secretary of state colin powell produced fabricated evidence to the Un Security Council justified. The illegal American Invasion of iraq. Years ago i traveled across the United States exploring americas deadly love affair with a gun if a bad guy tried to get to one of my family members he would have better luck with that better and i think its fair and hurting whenever my my babies since my book was published in the year two thousand more than hoffa million americans have been killed by firearms in the us we had a thought to me as i did this this is a middle school we go through drills and we put ourselves in real scenarios it was interesting to see who actually got hit by the gun i just saw i did to return to the subject to track down each gun owner who id met and photographed those years ago i dont know this but we are not. Running out of the close to the best out of the dogs with. The concepts preparing to perform i had to actually prepare myself to die. He did what to say when i asked him. As most are. You. In the home stretch her or not. This country was. Good. So well see of getting. What. Was it he could with us he was just up yes i did mission. Education. And there they. Are you. See you criminalist released by the white house into an institution those included on the list are accused simply by association. Being from russia or is no one except it cools for suspicion so does the kremlin list really changes the. Breaking news this hour a rebel group dons a russian fighter jet in the north west of syria and executes the pilots also ahead this. I think its terrible you want to know the truth i think its a disgrace lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that a Republican Party memo was released claiming to show the f. B. I. And Us Justice Department abusing their surveillance powers us the Investigative Team from twenty six to. Sunday rally in support of refugees in the german city of cult bosses held alongside a mosque until the migrant protests. Six pm in rio nine pm in rome and eleven at night here in moscow this sunday february the third im you know neal welcome to our two international our top story russia is Defense Ministry says rebel fighters have shot on a russian jet in syrias lived province killed the pilot on verified footage of the incident has been posted online by the militants. Well. Im open plan to. Most folks. Lets talk about something. Well a second video purportedly showing the rebels posing with the dead body of the pilot has also surfaced on the internet a warning you may find the images were about to show you upsetting the clip appears to portray one of the militants taking a selfie next to the victim others are also taking pictures and. Checking to get those more and what else we know about the incident this. Well the incident took place in the northwestern village of muster in an province and thats one of the last remaining rebel strongholds in the country now according to the russian Defense Ministry the pilot did manage to eject from the plane and parachuted down to the ground in an area thats actually controlled by the terrorist group. He was then subsequently killed in a fight with terrorists again thats coming from the Russian Ministry of defense they also added that its believed that a antiaircraft Missile System was actually used in the downing of the plane and very quickly after the attack took place videos and photos surfaced online most of them very graphic and disturbing showing rebels taking photos of the dead pilot and stomping on the debris of the crashed plane now. The group that has claimed responsibility of the tax say that they are part of the moderate Opposition Free Syrian Army but its widely believed that they are in fact actually allied with the latest incarnation. They have in the past enjoyed support from washington and even received weapons from the u. S. At this point russia did react quite quickly and has already carried out a number of precision strikes in the area with the ministry reporting that over thirty militants were killed as a result. A newly released u. S. Congressional memo has ignited a firestorm of controversy in washington the document written by republicans alleges the f. B. I. And the Justice Department abused their investigative reports while looking into the trump campaigns links to russian some in the party of claim to cast the federal probe into the allegations of collusion with moscow specifically the memo claims the Justice Department and the f. B. I. May have illegally obtained a warrant for the surveillance of a former trump eight to support the warren top location the f. B. I. Used a highly dubious dossier full of on verified claims a bite from russia that was partly funded by the Democratic Party and the Clinton Foundation the memo alleges the dossiers democratic ties were concealed at the agencys request. Its terrible if you want to know the truth i think its a disgrace whats going on in this country i think its a disgrace the memo was sent to congress it was declassified congress will do whatever theyre going to do but i think its a disgrace whats happening in our country and when you look at that and you see that and so many other things whats going on with a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that. The Democratic Party was opposed to the memo being made public and the f. B. I. Expressed grave concerns about it could be misleading the democrats now seem to be preparing to declassify one of their own files to contour that document well delving further into the stories it has been all week killer. For over a year theres been an investigation by congress into donald trump for alleged collusion with russia so how did it all start well according to the recently declassified memo it all started with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act a warrant issued allowing the government to spy on trump during his president ial campaign so how do you get a warrant to spy on a president ial campaign well you present the pfizer court with ca in this case its the infamous steel dossier now the f. B. I. Chief admitted that it was dubious but he still used it and the f. B. I. Still relied on it i was speaking to him and briefing him about some salacious unverified material no surveillance werent would have been sucked from the foreign Intelligence SurveillanceCourt Without the still dusty information so you present the court with a dot ca you pretty much dont believe because itll help you get a warrant to spy on who you want now this is what Deputy Attorney general bruce or said about Christopher Steele the former british agent and his agenda steele was desperate that donald trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president so why would a judge issue a warrant based on a dasi a that was pretty noncredible oh thats because the f. B. I. Never told him that according to the memo this was intentionally left out of the report now trump tweeted last year. Terrible who just found out that i had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory nothing found this is mccarthyism surrender all those people that mocked trumps tweet and said oh federal agencies could never spy on people unless they have good reasons that couldnt have happened well it started to look like it did happen and trying to tweet is not so funny after all caleb mop and r. T. New york well a number of commentators we spoke to told us they believe there have been surveillance of pieces we could know what the their intelligence agencies are doing this must be protecting the American People from from threats but this one was a case where they intervene in a political process that looks like and thats highly unusual and very disturbing this is how the f. B. I. Does business they do it surreptitiously they do it by stabbing people in the back they do it by setting people up by entrapping them by tricking them and thats exactly what they did with the place of court they played the phase of court judge by not telling them the source of this deal they plead that judge by not telling them that this was a partisan. Report and and they got their warrant they got there werent any way. Campaigners have been rallying in the german city of kut bus in support of refugees there was also an anti migrant rally in the city at the same time an increased Police Presence has been put in place for the weekend cup bus located near the polish border is home to around one hundred thousand people and since chancellor merkel opened germanys borders to refugees in twenty fifteen the city has given asylum to over three thousand people our europe correspondent peter all over trouble there. Here in court both around one hundred twenty kilometers to the south of. Theyve said they cant take any more refugees the citys mayor is saying that the infrastructure is being stretched to its limits. We have to realize that in cote bush social systems including kindergartens and schools overstretched and under stress more is not possible we cannot do more now. Since the beginning of the year the city has been plagued by violence between refugees and locals just last week a german couple were attacked just outside of the Shopping Center by three syrian teenagers one of those boys a fifteen year old has since been ordered to leave khat bourse and the surrounding area germany should start controlling its borders and stop the uncontrolled migration that has been going on for two and a happy years and america must go the government should change or it wont get any better. There are a Different Reasons why people have to flee iraq but we have to distinguish those from economic reasons for those who truly seek refuge should be granted asylum still a sort of place but we need to separate those who really look for shelter and those young strong in the by a man who managed to get all the way to germany in a sling isnt on new years day a group of refugees were set upon by a gang of neo nazi thirds and just recently the right wing German National party were handing out pepper spray and refugee fly is in the city the group were temporarily detained by police for not registering their protest. The town of freiburg has voted to halt refugee arrivals claiming it has reached its capacity to accommodate and integrate Asylum Seekers at a special town hall meeting on thursday the mare explained the decision. We are not xenophobic which we are often accused of being we are dealing with integration we want to guarantee integration we have done a lot but when in the end there is no space what are we supposed to do however some in freiburg arent convinced that the move is a good thing you know there are no problems i feel good here this is a general problem not just in freiburg but it has not affected me i have no problems with foreigners you hear it in the news sometimes but i dont have any problems. At least four people have been injured in to drive by shootings