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Hello and welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle were told a secret society existed within the f. B. I. With the sole intent to undermine canada and then later President Donald Trump also were told the f. B. I. Last Text Messages from members of this secret society with russia gate rapidly losing steam we now have f. B. I. Get. Cross talking release the memo im joined by my guest the annual ferrazzi in washington hes director of Grassroots Political Consulting and in atlanta we have kevin ship he is a former Central IntelligenceAgency Officer as well as author of from the company of shadows and lake jackson we crossed to Daniel Mcadams he is the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for peace and prosperity all right gentlemen crosslike rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime and i always appreciate kevin you drove three hours to come to this program so you get your you have the honor of having the first question here ok. Kevin you know when i when i was growing up i was a young boy but i used to play hooky from school to watch the watergate hearings the only time i ever did that when i was a school kid even a student and it was quite fascinating its probably why i ended up what im doing now and what was interesting then is that a crime was committed and then an investigation ensued and the Nixon White House tried to recruit the f. B. I. To do dirty tricks to fix things to break the cover up go away etc etc now we have this situation and want. And where its the f. B. I. That seems to be driving whats going on here russia gate has lost a lot of steam we can still have the innuendos in the rumors and the leaks but it hasnt amounted to anything but day after day it looks like the f. B. I. Is where the real problem is kevin go ahead. Yes the real concern here is it appears that theres been a weaponization of the secret intelligence agencies in this case specifically f. B. I. Counterintelligence and the very huge concern here is it appears that f. B. I. Management colluded in f. B. I. Agents actually swore false of a davids to the pfizer core to the visor or judges which resulted in n. S. A. Surveillance of a president ial campaign a Transition Team that is very serious ok well its called the fruit of the poison tree daniel in washington here. Is there a real crisis going on here i mean this is the premier. Law Enforcement Agency in the United States certainly maybe even in the whole world here. Are these people that can be trusted lost emails counterintelligence is supposed to be watching emails and they lose their own i mean im sorry it is hard for me to believe that go ahead in washington yet absolutely we have a few answers to this question one is the f. B. I. In specific since Herbert Hoover and that movie that was portrayed on him to call me the f. B. I. Has been a Political Institution i know great agents that work there and some that have left there but in the bureaucracy and the leadership it has been known as a political weapon and has been utilized look at bill clinton spec ground as well i mean its a lot of very recent history where its continued to be used in the way it is but yes we do right now have a constitutional crisis where devon noone is many of the other congressmen and House Homeland SecurityCommittee Chairman ron johnson and his statements yesterday they have woken up to the fact of the flagrant abuse weaponization and politicization of this institution and it creates a very dangerous precedent because this goes back to a hoover style. Yeah. You know and the way that theyre doing things and being able to as kevin and just said surveil a candidate and surveil a Transition Team under false pretenses missing Text Messages come on theres no such thing i could recover my own if i deleted them tomorrow so this is just beyond the pale granite of the annual in lake jackson we have j. Edgar komi i think is the new movie thats going to be made here. You know where its very troubling is that peter stroke you know hes kind of the premier character in all of this right now i mean the hillary emails and then we have the flynn interrogation eccentrics letter he still has his job why why why isnt he on leave why isnt he gone in front of a. Face legal you know complicated implications of what hes done i mean theres none of it at all but we dont even hear from him go ahead. Well this goes back to the the whole problem with the we are in the poorest place remember when it was first formed the first thing they did is started spying on antiwar people in the early part of the Twentieth Century and putting them to jail f. B. I. Agents do what if the rest of us did it we would be sent to jail and thats the core problem and blundering and losing losing evidence is nothing new i look at the collection bundy case in in the western part of the United States they absolutely obstructed justice they got rid of evidence to exonerate them and they were found to doing the same thing happened if you remember a few years ago in ruby ridge in waco under president clinton this is part and parcel of what the f. B. I. Does this is the danger of having an organization like the f. B. I. National police force kind of a stasi for the United States so it really is nothing new but what they do the rest of us would be thrown in jail if we did it kevin what is Jeff Sessions doing i mean is he perpetually on vacation or are maybe maybe we dont know maybe he is already called some special investigations hes not obligated to tell the public that hes doing that the marriage act he really cant ok but i really have to wonder i mean you know there is so many of these things you know we want to find out there is donald trump in the white house theres Jeff Sessions at the department of justice they couldnt release any documents they want whats going on explain it. Well you know peter i was in counterintelligence with the cia and we were daily with the f. B. I. And at the lower levels our work with them actually fantastic f. B. I. Agents but at the upper levels i can tell you we saw constant politicization by f. B. I. Supervisors even leaking information to the press on cases that we had but up to attorney general sessions one thing we did learn about the f. B. I. It was kind of frustrating it will take them or year or years to investigate a case just move in plodding along dotting every i crossing every t. I think a sessions is just being careful slow and really meticulous in what hes doing its frustrating theyre not going to come out and say things that will get sessions or others in trouble until they have things solidified so although its kind of frustrating and i hear all the time people are are wondering about sessions but their silence does not necessarily mean that theres a bad thing going on it could just mean that trump and sessions are building a solid irrefutable case ok well daniel in washington you think that cases against jim comi read a lynch Samantha Power i mean in these types of people here because it appears that they have their fingerprints all over this and then we can talk about the entire history of the quote unquote russia da ca ok which is a whole different the need to go down go ahead daniel in washington i think the problem i kind of disagree on the attorney general sessions part ok he has not been effective he has not been a good leader and he has not done which is unprecedented when you have a change of party you get rid of all of the institutional employees and you bring in your own people this has obama attorneys working all throughout this institution he brings Rod Rosenstein in and also you know recuses himself instead of proactively addressing the administration on this a. Tiger special counsel investigation in addition to that hes that the white house is not known as a well run machine right now they do not have their act together internally and this is you can see it and state department d o d so many other places that really need white house direction but i find that turning general sessions is not doing his job effectively you mentioned a let me of things that he should be speaking about at least addressing and hiring and directing and hes just not doing it and i think that was you know a poor choice to have him in that position and if we had Rudy Giuliani right now you know you have a completely obvious and situation and absolutely in the department of justice it daniel in lake jackson. Is you know one of the things that were witnessing right now and i think is the real dilemma is that you have this and how many people in the highest elmo of the f. B. I. That appear to be in collusion from what we know lets be careful here