Are people who i mean i am worried worried of not only losing my dhaka but im also worried about a lot of young people right now who didnt have a lot of experience being undocumented us adults who were able to have a work permit and got a job and were able to contribute and now are looking into how theyre going to live their lives you know going back into the shadows and its not easy oh you when you came here i was eleven. Do you trust Mitch Mcconnell to take up the new variation next month as from. I dont and i think a lot of americans dont trust them he has lied many times in the past and other issues and unfortunately he he might do it again and you know like i said theres still a chance for democrats you know the the funding basically got extended so were going to keep pushing on democrats who do the right thing i understand theyre worried about their elections but when it comes to use enough for their elections i mean theyre theyre theyre you know they they use their stories they use a dreamers to be able to get at latinos in this tricks where they they want to win with the Latino Community or in community but when it comes down to this its unfortunately that they dont come through so were going to keep pushing them to the right thing through the spending bill because it is the easiest and not the easiest but is the best way to get a clean dream act as we as we are pushing for it President Trump says that he wants a permanent fix for a dr you believe that. You know its why would anyone really hard. If yeah i mean he said that that was the reason he ended it but its hard to say because President Trump seems sometimes like hes sympathetic to the dreamers when he talks about the new no dokken and the dream act but people around him you know once theyve miller is one of those those people in the white house who has been pushing against this and its you know its like hes bipolar trump comes one day and says that he he wants a bill of love and then a couple of hours later he uses twitter to say that he now wants a wall and that hes not gonna allow for us to have our our fix without the wall thats thats not love using us senator schumer announces hes taking back the office remade to trump the sun the border wall what if we put it this way why not give them the wall ok give them the wall a big cost some money but well have a path to citizenship for you and other people doctor given the wall whats wrong with that. Well you know its its really its first turn to read to hear schumer say that now because its a no again going back to schumer he basically found a way out of the shutdown and the way our wasnt actually getting something that could have had no wall by using his leverage and unfortunately he caved in and i dont think he believes mcconnell i think that he found a way out and say you know what at some point republicans are not going to meet their or their promise that we can blame them in the elections and you know its going back to the politics is going back to them you know using us as a ball a political football rather goes back and forth. And so you know right now him saying that he hes now now willing to do to give the wall to them for means its a little too late we had a chance and hopefully he can prove that again in this coming you know c. R. Or funding bill vote and that he just gets it done now he has the leverage he can do it aragon hope we call on you again i hope everything turns out well for you both thank you so much in the year for having me legs tens of time with our panel lani chen joins me from stanford hes a Research Fellow at Stanfords Hoover Institution he served in the george w. Bush administration was also an adviser to the president ial campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in Washington Democratic strategist Julian Epstein he said just chief minority counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and Reform Committee us. Gentlemen thank you for being with us whats your takeaway from the Government Shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. Well you know larry were stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. Solution inside i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for Many Americans for the democrats i think the challenge was its not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances maybe that theyll be discussion on immigration but at the end of the day it seems to me that this was much ado about nothing julian yeah i think lanny has it pretty much right and i think he was charitable towards the democrats i think if you look back at the Government Shutdown and into that in one thousand nine hundred five in two thousand and twelve thirteen. The republicans lost those battles because they were in charge of the congress and generally what weve seen with Government Shutdowns is the party was Controlling Congress gets the blame and i think Chuck Schumer the Senate Majority leader and went into this fight not knowing what cards he had and as it got into the weekend a lot of red state democrats the ten red state democrats democrats who won in states that trump also won started to kind of go south on him and so he was left. A little bit with an army not having an army behind him and so i think he got an out in front of his members i think he didnt negotiated very well and i think you know i hate to say it but i think the republicans and i think the white house won this one that said this is a temporary this is a three month visit three week delay until the next showdown i think both parties look bad here i agree with lani on that i think it is kind of a pox on both houses let alone the. Years. Donald trump said to me theres not a candidate then if theres a Government Shutdown the president has to be to blame to season judge to have anything to do blame with this one. Well look i think all leaders share some responsibility to a certain degree i mean in this particular situation what it came down to was you know i do think that the democrats shut this government down in part because they want to have a discussion about immigration is a perfectly reasonable thing perhaps from their perspective but to to say that just because you werent involved in the ultimate event that shut the government down doesnt mean that you dont bear some responsibility so overall i think certainly all parties in this situation have to bear responsibility and look the president could always come back and say we want to figure out some way to have a longer Term Solution here and thats what we want to work on so there are always ways out of this silly cycle that were in now and its really just a cycle of blaming and shaming and its unfortunate because a lot of people end up living their lives somewhat precariously because we cant resolve our situations more permanently julian something puzzling every polls is eighty five to ninety percent of americans favor the dream is the doc is to have a path to citizenship. Yeah and somewhere along the lines of some between two thirds and three quarters of republicans favor it as well but i think i think democrats have the upper hand on this argument and i think it has been the white house that has wanted to hold this up to leverage and to get other things like the wall. That nobody i dont even think Congressional Republicans particularly care about immigration experts dont really think the wall is going to do that much for Border Security there are many other things that we could be doing that would be giving us greater Border Security theres many other immigration reforms that i think conservatives are interested in employer verification for example that would be much more effective in stemming the tide of illegal immigration i think trump is just come on up as he usually is on these these kind of avatars in these symbols of things he campaigned on regardless of the. Whether or not they really make a difference in the everyday lives of americans this is just a symbolic fight for him and he wants to leverage the dhaka issue the dreamer issue so that he can get this kind of skull on the fence. Schumer says that the wall is also the table or do you make of that. Well it was on the table a few days ago now its off the table look i mean this is a this is a really difficult negotiation for Chuck Schumer if hes going to say on the one hand that hes willing to go out there and offer the wall and now says its off hes got a similar problem to the republican negotiators in the sense that you know both sides seem to be speaking out of both sides of their mouth a little bit here but but Chuck Schumer needs to figure out what is ultimate position is because on the one hand hes probably got a progressive base of folks whether its Campbell HarrisElizabeth Warren the senators from california and massachusetts respectively or others who are saying under no circumstances should he be out there talking about the wall and then there are some red state democrats to juliens point from earlier probably say look we dont to say i like the idea of a wall but we like the idea of being able to talk a little tougher on immigration because they might be in tough electoral races so Chuck Schumer needs to figure out what his negotiating posture and position is before he goes out there and makes these conflicting claims. Then well be right back with more politicking after the break. Yes there was but with a large applause you can. Help remove the muscle tension i believe will do more its almost the young thing we will all soon wolf but you know one of the most often little pushes that so. Many. Have been moved out of the you know the scouts move to the bluecoats believed to be. Easy showed. You took the edge. You will know that you know much. Of the proceeds go to the english you can you get other colonies up and you tell us maybe you did to us all but youre using my suspicion of us they. Were told the secret society existed within the f. B. I. With the sole intent to undermine canada and then later President Donald Trump also were told the f. B. I. Last Text Messages from members of this secret society with russia gate rapidly losing steam we now have f. B. I. Get. This is hard in kentucky. Places people work in street fannys. A coma any city with in the snow cone mines left. 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What do you think of that you know i think its a campaign of deflection and mr action i mean i think that the republicans tried to do this on the steel dossier the famous dossier that the backgrounding on trump during the election and then it was discovered that it was a marco rubio a republican an issue investigation by this private organization then they tried to refer steele for a criminal prosecution the democrats put out the testimony of. Fusion g. P. S. And that kind of dissipated quickly there is now this new question about whether f. B. I. Agents were sending each other to f. B. I. Agents that were involved in the investigation were and also having an affair were sending each other texts that were very disparaging about the president and therefore they were somehow biased and the and the investigation was biased i just dont think that dogs going to hunt i dont think its going to go very far i think that. Muller removed these two individuals from office so i think if anything it enhances his credibility and i dont all for investigating and finding out if there were any people that were biased i mean everybody in the f. B. I. Has a political view of one form or another you dont have to check your views necessarily just so long as you do your job as an investigator effectively but i dont think thats going to distract from the bigger issue here we know the russians interfere in the election we know that Trump Campaign members whether it was papadopoulos whether it was donald trump jr. Flynn we know others had lots of meetings with the russians we know there were multiple lies and kind of cover ups about those meetings for example the cover up about the trump tower meeting where the president actually dictated a false cover. You know in those i think thats going to continue to be the central focus and you know one thing i think that mullers looking at is this efforts of obstruction the firing of komi. In particular and i think thats where the investigation is heading and i think all of these other efforts to mr direct from the central issue are really not going to work at the end of the day the money as a republican does all of this can see you with whats going on. Well you know the challenge when there are stories or allegations for example regarding the two f. B. I. Agents peter struck was one of them who were expressing points of view about donald trump during the campaign you know it obviously i think the right action was taken to remove those people the challenge is it lends credence to this narrative that there was this systemic bias against donald trump now whether you believe that or not there are some who can make that argument and this kind of gives them fodder for the fire at the end of the day i dont think its particularly productive for republicans to be assaulting the credibility of the f. B. I. The f. B. I. Is the finest Law Enforcement the finest Law Enforcement agencies in the entire world i dont think that gets them particularly far but i do think that there will be an increasing chorus of people who will express their concerns whether its about the f. B. I. Or about the muller investigation generally and to the extent that these kinds of things are in the water it makes things that much more complicated and that much harder for Robert Muller a to draw his investigation to a close but b. To draw to a close in a way that all sides are going to say what happened and the results of it are both impartial as well as as should be respected consuming that six trimly are just to add to that i think thats extremely well said what loni just said and eloquently stated the only thing i would add to it is the notion that the f. B. I. Theres systemic and bias inside the f. B. I. When both komi and muller are lifelong republicans just seems to me to be a little bit of a stretch and i just think its kind of i think theyre republicans are divided i think theres a group of republicans like lanny who are very responsible here and want to get the facts and thats what we all want the end of the day we just really want the facts and then i think there are another group of republicans like maybe new news and a few others who are kind of a little bit like inspector clouseau here and going down a lot of rabbit holes with a lot of kind of these half baked theories to discredit the f. B. I. And i think its very harmful to the country and very harmful the Republican Party ultimately consuming the. Sin of the the president and the porn star. People are wondering how the evangelicals finches to continue to support research from tony perkins head of the very conservative Christian FamilyResearch Council says evangelines rules are willing to give trump a do over on bad behavior like that alleged as long as he delivers on policy. Parkers the here. Yeah i mean look its certainly bothersome the notion that you would be able to basically i think the interview said in the interview i think mr perkins said that the president gets a mulligan on this one and i you know thats not to say the way that i see it from a personal behavior point of view but this brings to light larry a very important point which is that for many conservatives the behavior or the nature of the way President Trump conducts himself has been separated or divorced from the policy and i think at the end of the day that is something which is a very important distinction because while people will continue to talk about the character and about the things that the president has done in his personal life the reality is what were all left with as a country is actually a pretty conservative policy agenda whether on regulation or on on health care on taxes and certainly on judicial appointments so you know people will try to separate that out i personally am troubled by the idea that you can separate the two but at the end of the day weve got to look at what were left with thank you both very much lonnie in julian we those of you on. Thanks larry thanks larry turning now to the World Economic forum happening in davos switzerland Donald Trumps the first sitting United States president to attend the form since bill clinton nearly two decades ago what my president dreamt of complication davos and what potential pitfalls exists then for him his two of them and that with mags wolf the chief economist of the Phoenix Group. He is in new york ok hows it going to play what do you expect through the president s visit to davos so i think the president goes there in part because hes probably long wanted to and this is a big opportunity also i think its a muscle flex for him and many of his supporters the notion that a lot in the global elite who are kind of fetid infecting each other at davos had expected him to be a bit of a more problematic for them than he turned out to be and he wants to celebrate what he sees as his successes which would otherwise be known to us in economics as the high points of the u. S. Macro economy and in fairness many of the basic metrics of the u. S. Macro economy are quite healthy now good stock Market Performance if not every day most days at a usually large number of days pretty good Economic Growth and some major perhaps overdue rationalization of regulation along with a lot of controversy and i think he wants to kind of celebrate himself and try to get these people who were doubters to celebrate having his record next hows the american first idea going to play so look you dont go to an International Organization and tell them that you love yourself more than you love them and that you think they should all love you more than they love themselves and be taken terribly seriously that appeals to people who feel like theyre part of the group that would be first and its just as unappealing to everyone else as you might imagine and this is of course a dedicated multilateralist jamhuri and so coming there with a unilateralist sort of selflove message is a bit risky. On the eve of his departure he signed an order slapping tariffs on solar panels and washing machine imports was the implication of that. So these are both pretty minor most folks think from a Macro Economic perspective its a little bit of a test case to see what happens and what results occur i think its very important to watch how it plays out kind of behind the scenes and in various editorials and newspapers its always fun and beneficial in the short term to kind of unilaterally bluster and make self approving moves the big test of these moves is whether other people retaliate and sort of what happens when the dust settles my guess is we wont see an immediate retaliation but it will further chill the reception added already somewhat snow covered and cold davos switzerland canadian Prime Minister to go use davos to announce that canada and ten other countries will reach an agreement on a trade pact this is sensitive to turn specific from pull out of that you think the timing of to those announcement was a slap at trump is i think plenty of things going on at davos are there to position davos and its leadership as sort of the hundred eighty degree alternative to donald trump i think Justin Trudeau has sort of had that position in north america to some extent being the sort of young suave of open it immigrant welcoming leader juxtaposed to trumps relatively more stern approach to immigration and relatively more advanced age so i do think theres some of that left the tepee was an American Program to counteract chinese global influence we pulled out of it and i think people are trying to say that there is a future for multilateralism without america and that is very much an attempt to reassure themselves and also their own chest out when they know that donald trump is coming there for a victory lap whether or not they particularly wanted to play host to that particular event. True maintains that the United States has been the victim move globalization is the right i dont know theres a single us fact of United States has gained much more than weve lost overall as an economy that being said trump and many other critics have rightly pointed out that globalization and trade have both winners and losers and weve had concentrations and who are the great beneficiaries and they have tended to be more affluent professionals on the coasts and we have have concentrations of who are the great losers or the non beneficiaries from trade and that has been somewhat concentrated among the laboring classes in the midwest i think the electoral map speaks to that and i think that President Trump mind a pretty rich vein of reasonable resentment about International Trade in the u. S. But i do think we have gauged more than weve lost and the by the flip of that is if the International Order that presently exists is reshuffled pretty dangerous for the u. S. If youre the top card and i shuffle the deck the chance that you fall in the deck is statistically nontrivial it takes over a whole of slogans playing well in davos. That. Yes so look i think i think the dollar has more fans than some might have imagined possibly even dollar trump might have imagined in the davos set in part because he has cut the individual taxes of the folks who tend to gather there as well as the copper taxes of the folks who tend to gather there and a lot of what people had feared was that a more kind of harsh populism maybe personified by some members of his cabinet would rule the day and what weve got is much less of that much more of a probusiness agenda with more probusiness legislation so there are probably a few folks even who will be critical of president tribe who are privately benefited and far less critical and less sort of excitedly critical they might have been had some of the more populist rhetoric turned into legislation max what would constitute. A successful dumbos conference so to be honest i think the bar is not that high i think if there are no kind of off script harsh language if theres no diplomatic or personal phone or misconduct it will be very good in terms of the global reception at davos and by the media i think trumps in a very difficult situation on a deeper level which is basically rare thats a kind of guy who keeps people at davos up at night and is now pretty clear that hes the kind of guy whos really excited to be you know invited to spend all of it with the folks at davos and so hes got to sort of drive that needle carefully either one could be a problem but my guess bar is not that high as long as theres no incident here its a chalk a ball as a when next thanks so much hope to get in. 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