Or so barrett fifty caliber sniper rifles to ukraine is grandstanding the same with rocket man in north korea its a way of the u. S. Boasting forcefully but what i would bring home i think is the contrast between forceful boasting of trump and the very much more successful forceful boasting of Teddy Roosevelt and the difference is that Teddy Roosevelt was announcing americas debut on the world stage and america had forty percent of the worlds manufacturing today its absolutely the opposite in terms of trends and direction ok let me go to Christopher Christie year in iraq war veteran i mean if i could just ask you personally i mean it seems like we have a continuation of this mentality of empire in i mean for iraq its been a disaster for afghanistan its always a disaster but and you know and whats happening in syria hear it but we dont seem to learn any lessons here you would there do you see that what the problem is here. Well i think theres a few different issues i want to try to address as many as i can i think that were omitting several Different Things here were overlooking several Different Things for one i think the president s actually moving away from nation building were trying to get for example the Iraqi Security forces and the iraqi militarys had significant gains against isis weve been trying to empower them to take the reins and to be able to do that kind of fighting themselves weve also admitted the fact that weve decimated the leadership of isis weve kept them in a constant state of confusion weve killed the some of bin laden theres several strategic victories that have occurred along the way we also for getting the u. S. Military provide significant foreign aid to our allies we still provide a blanket of security across europe were protecting south korea weve been in a Global Leadership role for decades and those are the kinds it is very focused there is no let me trying to immediately put a United States that would be trying to assist me to intervene here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on washingtons new Defense Strategy stayed with our. Joined me everything on the alex simon chill and ill be speaking to us in the world of politics or business im show business ill see you. Everybody im stephen bob. Taft hollywood guy usual suspects every proud american first of all im just george bush in our view to say this is my buddy max famous financial guru well just a little bit different im not. Going to harness the oh no one knows up with all the drama happening in our country im shooting the road have some fun meet every day americans. And closely start to bridge the gap this is the Great American people which. Were big oil mine here year ago better because one nine hundred talk to profiteer said this was their year toy seventy to go to all kinds of crazy eyes and yeah it sure does our experiencing a bit of a fall back. Measure the sand had a. Problem with a small. Amount of good armor on our show but the rather rough it was the fourth down because of that. Im going to let combat of my next question then you can man kick and. I didnt lose a child for a trophy all that and it is living. Below the line monisha little subtle and. In their own mind the. M. S. F. Around the hey how do you want to do it. Told. You that youre going. To im going to tell you this is. A. Model for other folks around us to have to jim and then i hope that our. Welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered im peter little to remind you were discussing washingtons new Defense Strategy. Ok let me go back to philip and percival right before we went to the red cross who is talking about our alliance as well you know alliances are a transmission belt for war and weve seen this historically and im thinking of the situation that the United States is facing with its nato ally turkey and turkey is a legally invaded syria and you know all of the entanglements that the u. S. Has found itself there with the kurds and whatnot and its nato ally here i mean and then we had not too long ago we had a russian jet that was shot down by the turks then you have you know you have this article five kick in here it seems to me the United States is very dangerously involved in a potential war that it doesnt want to fight and then we can bring up the issue of north and south korea you know what theyre talking thats a good start isnt it and then we have this bluster coming out of washington that maybe its not enough i mean the South Koreans probably know best about their defense than anyone else go ahead philip. Yeah well i have i have to agree with the your premise which is essentially that americas alliances have in many ways outlived their usefulness the. Russia does not threaten the United States theres not really threaten Eastern Europe it has a sphere of influence like every other country but this does not amount to a threat and nato is dangerous in a way because nato could very much involve the United States in a shooting war where it doesnt want to be in it. And i would i would comment on the situation between turkey and syria turkey is indeed attacking syria but turkey has an interest in syria the terrorism problem and the kurdish problem for turks is very real the united state is illegally in syria so the United States shouldnt be throwing stones at at anyone when it comes to the situation currently in syria and this whole concept of a of a thirty thousand man border guard is just totally ridiculous that let it happen the syrians wont let it happen and then the iraqis wont even let it happen what do you need to know michael you mentioned ukraine earlier here i mean what explain because i dont understand it what is in the National Interest of the United States of america to be giving offensive weapons to ukraine when we know and our viewers that have been watching cross dog over the years know the importance of the minsk accord ok its not perfect but its certainly slowed things down cooled things down now we have legislation that is not reported in western media that the ukrainians have walked away from it unilaterally and now theyre very happily taking offensive arms we have to be honest here the prospect of a ukrainian russian war is very real folks its very real but you wouldnt know that and you would know that by reading magazines report go ahead michael the u. S. That its alliances both nato and its key alliances in east asia in the western pacific are like lifelines to americas claim to germany so it is to american advantage to stir the pot in Eastern Europe and to create a situation where you know poor. Helpless ukraine is being threatened with with deep violence by you know and this is an old metaphor going back to world war one frankly in the germans in belgium and its a way for the u. S. To maintain the saliency of its position in europe which it no longer has economically and it in the instance of good relations with russia would would not exist in in the strategic sense but because european states especially germany are unwilling to to spend the money they need to on defense to do it themselves which they could easily easily then the u. S. By creating yes i mean the germans could simply double their Defense Budget and it would be no larger percentage of their g. N. P. Than it was during the cold war but the key here is that the u. S. Is able to have it both ways its able to assemble a kind of crisis in which the u. S. Is the absolutely essential partner and its leadership is on question and frankly it can do that because of the general disinterest by germany in stepping up to taking over the leadership role in europe when it comes to Strategic Issues the u. S. Is doing the same thing in asia with japan and japan is willing to be there as the side. Of the u. S. Under all circumstances and therefore the us is playing the same game using the fruits of its absolute victory over germany and japan in World War Two to continue what will increasingly be the fiction of us world power in the future not not tomorrow but but fifteen years from now look at chris around im michael brings up a very good point i mean if you look at the g. D. P. Of the European Union is vast ok. D. Equals the United States and japan certainly isnt a poor country by any standard south korea is what for its size and population is remarkably successful and very rich by the way why cant they just carry their load for their own security just because what did what does the us get out of it i mean if something happened to the us you think everyones going to come to the us is aid from europe and south korea and japan i dont think so why would they go ahead. I think thats a great point i think President Trump is challenge to nato and europe to put more Financial Resources into their own defense and i think that would be a thing that we should be supporting but i want to go back a step i think were still continuing to emit many many different factors for example you know we sort of discuss the u. S. In this sort of dystopian light and the tone and this this vision people want to come to the United States people are risking their lives to try and theyre dying trying to get out of places like north korea where their governments and their the way they behave is absolutely zero freedom no freedom of the press extremely dystopian and in the case of iran you have an entire government thats stacked with clergy thats frankly extremely. Quickly and i mean if youre a second you know but that has nothing to do with the defense of the United States youre talking about values and i suppose thats all fine but has nothing to do about protecting the solver in this country of the United States the state department should deal with these other issues here ok i mean im im serious i mean it sounds nice but it has nothing to do with defense here let me go to philip here you know philip i was doing a little bit of research before this program you know i was looking at you know republican senator robert taft when nato was started and he was he was saying you know why should we get involved in this alliance because then we lose the right to declare war were giving it over to an organization that you had Mike Mansfield and he in the one nine hundred seventy s. Under the nixon ford administrations he was heavily lobbying for ending american presence in europe because the war has been over there rich they can take care of themselves the reason why im bringing up this boring history for everyone is that where is the debate in the public in the media about what is being said in madison this report theres almost none i mean i read a lot of the reviews its just well he this is what he said but theres no theres no distilling of what hes talking about it just passes it on is that these people are just in the media and dont question anything that is being written we are questioning it honestly on this program go ahead philip. Yeah its quite astonishing i mean the stories the stories on on this paper and on the comments by matt has disappeared within forty eight hours or hardly cover it all and yet this is as i said in the beginning this is a formula for all fences is a formula for the United States to exercise its leadership by military offensive and this is quite outrageous and also the question that way we havent had one thing that happens again states that dont have them chris or you want to jump in there go ahead sorry christopher jump in there is where is worse where is philip worse russia north korea missile testing in north korea threatening. And making these aggressive stances does russia support north koreas continued Nuclear Proliferation and i can watching i cant identify and i can answer that question very clearly christopher if you had watched the proceedings that the United NationsSecurity Council when there was a vote against north korea in which china and russia did participate and did vote for the sanction they also offered in alternatives a freeze for a freeze and you go back you can watch it its on you tube its very thoughtful its very thorough but you had all of the other countries saying north korea bad ok well im sorry thats not very intellectual its not very helpful ok so i would answer you chris but russia and china have been extremely helpful in trying to diffuse those tensions but it doesnt get any coverage in the media because thats not what people want to hear go ahead christopher you know what should be covered i mean thats a fair point there should be more coverage but you look at these these Oil Transfers that china is in a position to really do a lot more of i think theres a lot of opportunity and a lot of optimism christopher to get someone who does this to the United States sit down with the North Koreans and have a conversation whats so hard about doing that you could actually say we would be at. Instead of this rocket man nonsense thats not helpful ok if the United States really wants to show its responsible in the world was it sit down and talk seriously if it doesnt like the deal walk away from it but at least you talked go ahead im just im just saying the obvious thats a fair point thats a fair point but i think i think we have a pro what we have a president that wants to see some results and i think unfortunately a lot of our goodwill and a lot of our diplomacy has had diminishing returns when you look at for example the iran deal and other things were able to get a little bit of cooperation but we have is continued Nuclear Proliferation continued talk of aggression and the u. S. Is continuing to provide foreign aid to continue to fund our our allies in europe and these sorts of other things so i think those talks should happen and i believe the u. S. Is opening to talk to north korea but we need to see a sort of tone and tenor of cooperation and were continuing to see boasting of continued Nuclear Proliferation in the region and remember that offensive curative strategy thats our document for us i theres nothing in there that is overtly offensive it is a document that is reaffirming our perspective and well building up the military i mean christopher liberating really youre right christopher is written about the United States for the United States but the whole world is watching and and the reaction from a lot of capitals is this is a very aggressive in a continuation of an aggressive Foreign Policy the world does react to the most powerful country in the world are gentlemen im sorry weve run out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in personal and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the see you next time and remember. Its. The same wrong when old rules just dont hold. 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