We have. Doctors here who will never know what about you but we just care and to call for a year ago they thought the relatives would hate them and i would just love them and theyre just so absolutely inspiring to a whole or a person coming actually i just had a man in my room at the same words. My wife has just died thank you. Oh im just so good and go me Sophie ShevardnadzeArtificial Intelligence is no longer a product of Science Fiction it already exists and its developing fast. As some of the worlds greatest minds warning about the dangers of a i what do we have to fear as the age of intelligent computer. Well we ask a leading scientists in its field of Artificial Intelligence robotics and ginny are done. With the world of Artificial Intelligence accelerating into New Territory possibilities from the realm of magic could be about to open up right before our eyes. Some inventions capable of fundamentally altering how we live will the new Technology Lead to the next step in Human Evolution to what extent i was really able to merge cyberattack with the human body will the Artificial Intelligence revolution become the foundations of a new world. Robotics and Artificial Intelligence researcher welcome to the show great to have you with us now ban wrong kurtz whale from google is claiming Artificial Intelligence will enhance us as humans task less c o l n masks asked that people must merge with machines or theyll become irrelevant so is this the next step in evolution for us well go from apes to humans and then well become androids. Well i think theres going to be a lot of possibilities is open to us as advanced technology the unfolds one of these possibilities will be for us simply to upload our minds into a digital or quantum computing substrate and just because transhuman minds leaving the human body behind all together another opportunity will be to hybridize with machines i mean this so phone that we hold in our pockets can go in our head and we can effectively become cyborgs and thats going to have all sorts of amazing consequences for months and bodies another possibility will be to remain in basically the same human form but do away with annoying features of our current life like. Disease and snow the and Mental Illness and so forth theres going to be a spectrum of possibilities and its going to be much more exciting than human has been heretofore so if humans will be able to upgrade their intelligence as you say what whats going to look like i mean i imagine plugging in that shape and being able to speak chinese all of a sudden. Being able to learn new languages by simply plugging the chip into your head having your. Mind immediately grasped the full power of the internet of a calculator of an automatic fear improver these will be some of the consequences but it will go way beyond will be able to network our brains into each others brains and into the brains of ais which in essence will let us go beyond our current existence as individual humans and become part of a sort of. Group biological mind then do you really think that a human mind can handle that i mean that the Fastest Growing disorder in twenty First Century is mental visible these order all over the world and thats because theres like so much information do you really think we can handle i think were going to go bizerk and that happens. I think the young generation will be able to handle these changes especially were oh and some of us who are not so young anymore but with open minds ready to embrace these possibilities should have an easy time i do think there will be some significant adjustment problems for older people who dont want to give up the traditional way of living and and i hope all of these atrocities will be optional so that if people want to remain in their similar human bodies if they dont want to plug into the digital mind matrix if they want to get sick and die rather than availing themselves of the new possibilities i think people should should be allowed to go by the same token i think that people who want to expend their minds and bodies and grow in an unbounded way to embrace all sorts of new possibilities should also be allowed to do so so you said before that groundbreaking technological leap is coming in the next decade but our current tax like the processors appears to be reaching its limit and then its no longer developing us fast as a day so where will this new breakthrough come from. I think the biggest breakthrough that lies ahead is the transition from narrow. To age artificial general intelligence todays. Are very good at solving highly particular problems like driving a car or playing supreme acting the stock market once we create a general purpose that can confront new problems that it wasnt explicitly programmed or trained for and this general purpose is going to accomplish one after another task that only humans can do and the general purpose and i will been set itself the task of improving itself and the reprogramming itself and good the mathematician foresaw this in the one nine hundred sixty five when he said the first intelligent machine will be the last invention the human he needs to me so during this half. A. G. I. Development like you call it you sad that at first things will get that right so how about are we talking about what kind of bad i mean will that stalin in progress make human scale of robotics. Some people will always be afraid of progress but that doesnt seem to stop progress from happening when cell phones first you know people complained a lot that they were you know they would destroy a normal social interaction people will always be staring at their phones and you know the realities more complex and people are always staring at their phones but theyre mostly messaging with each other and carrying out new forms of social interaction in the same way people will be afraid of these new technologies where once their verbal they will embrace them and they will use them in their own way for their for their own purposes few hero is a companys progress but human nature is to embrace progress and move forward anyway thats where were not living in caves anymore so youre saying that smart robots will eventually run World Governments are humans really going to be confortable with that i mean who is going to obey robots where are they gonna get legitimacy im not sure that most people are comfortable with their current government step further with them because they dont have much choice and i suspect. Ai robot governments can be much more rational and much more compassionate than the current oligarchic human governments that we have i suspect people will be more happy with the new situation than they are with with the current one but the thing with computers despite all the advancement they can make mistakes they freeze i mean my computer freeze on me all the time. They not function they do something stupid where is a guarantee that a robot who decides things for humans will be flawless i mean if there rob a cop shoots me by mistake. I dont think were going to achieve flawless machines perfection is probably a pipe dream on the other hand and just as humans are not the fastest running or the high is jumping creatures on earth theres no reason to believe were necessarily the smartest things that can be created were not the upper limit of intelligence and were not the upper limit certainly of kindness compassion and ethics ais dont need to be perfect to exceed humans in an awful lot of relevant dimensions certainly theres going to be problems as Intelligent Machines are rolled and progress further and further and take on more and more roles in society theres always going to be some kind of problem i would know the actual problems that happen are not going to be the ones we foresee know just like before computers in the internet was created known for sabat computer viruses and the actual issues that we have now were just going to were going to move forward were going to take the good along with the bad and im personally an optimist and believe that the good is going to weigh the bad believe it has generally through. Civilization you know for me the biggest problem in allah is. The economy i mean who are you going to hold accountable if something goes wrong with a robot i mean when a human makes a mistake you can put him on trial put him in prison ana execute him where he did it with. You know hold him accountable for a mistake hes making. The legal system that we have now is predicated on the idea that humans are the only intelligent beings with moral accountability obviously this is going to have to change and the legal system will have to embrace. As legal persons which will come along with things like perhaps a right to vote for robots as well as the as the newly told the robot. Accountable if it does something wrong and machine if there isnt any a lot more machines will be able to program their own minds and if necessary the machines will be able to to fix the mind of a machine thats going to rot right now we cant go into the mind of a human social path and just to make them the dangerous so we have to lock them up or kill them these methods are our very crude with an ai we have source code access to their minds and we can adjust their hardware they can adjust their own hardware and because of this i think the incidence of problems is going to be far less since its really a very crude situation were in were running on these machines that we dont understand and we cant reprogram. So even a toaster these days can be connected to the internet of things and it immediately becomes hackable and is relying on rabbits with brains even more dangerous since you know they can also be hacked. Security is going to be a serious problem is more and more things are connected to the internet and more and more things are controlled by Intelligent Machines ultimately it may be that radical transparency becomes the solution this if everyone has the ability to watch Everything Else what the futurists david turner scrolled sue valence everyone watching everything if you have that situation then its much harder for people to get away with stealing things and wreaking havoc because someone will see them and i think were already seeing the trend as the traditional notion of privacy is on the decline. And were going to take a short break right now when were back well continue talking to ban cell scientists Artificial Intelligence researcher talking about the advent of robotic intelligence and the possible dangers that may bring to humanity states. Twenty eight is coming the big countdown the balls going to draw new years starting resolutions will be created its all so very exciting lets check in. Was writing exists in that region what is it with him i am. Trying to list as a. Must that. Mean you when you. Who are what it will do when you dont need you to go ships in the start with you. Oh. Yes yes to. Showcase they. Dont have. To be from a jewish when you. Get your response to being discussed at the. Just over your. Hour back when band gerth soul robotics an Artificial Intelligence pioneer talking about the impact of creating thinking computers on every day lives so bad big names in science such as Stephen Hawking ill in moscow apple cofounder still washing out sign an open letter warning against Artificial Intelligence used in the military but battle robots are already used in war so if Artificial Intelligence can get past powerful as you claim it can be well wars become immensely more destructive than they are now. It seems that over time in Human History wars. Overall decreased in sins and the percentage of the population killed in moores keeps going down and further more democratic nations quite rarely go to war with each other so i dont actually think were going to see an explosion of love more and more wars i think were going to see a more and more democratic and Peaceful World but i agree this is a risk and this is why i think its important that the most powerful ais are developed as free and open Source Software for the good of everyone in the world rather than developed as the exclusive province of some governments military or some Large Corporation now the only think we can model Artificial Intelligence on from what i understand is our own heman brain but with all the flaws and issues and limitations is it a good model to follow i mean prison scientists are already saying Artificial Intelligence can quickly become biased racist sexist. There are many different approaches to the creation of advanced ai systems some people are trying to model the brain but not many thats not a common approach in the field even even the Neural Networks the other widely used for things like Image Processing are are very very loose models of parts of the human brain and my own work with the open cod artificial general Intelligence System isnt really based on the human brain its based more on mathematical principles of intelligence just as cars and airplanes and submarines and so forth are theyre not based all that closely on biological animals do things that are based on principles of of engineering and mathematics only loosely loosely inspired by biological systems so i think ais dont have to emulate the human brain and thats a good thing because they can be smarter than us and kinder than us and they can be more open minded and communicate in different ways than we can what an industry will be the driving factor behind robotics evolution military baseball and google corps and maybe robotics interest or killer i predict will be driven by the toy industry to toy industry which is centered largely here in south china where im sitting right know is not another creating complex Consumer Electronics a low cost and large scale the and anyone else and furthermore toys can afford to be a little silly and learn as they go were military robots for example must have a very very high very high reliability so actually what were aiming to do with our robots and hansen robotics is to roll so robots it will be like young a. G. I. Children that. Learn from the kids who are playing them and and grow up together with the children who own them and think this is can build an emotional and moral bond between humans and robots and give a gentle way for robots to grow up learn human common sense knowledge and learn human values so talking not toys there are people already more attached to sex dolls than real people so if sex robots become a real thing well this ruling remains i mean id be so much easier to fail loud when its programmed then you dont have to do anything about it you just love it because you know you push button. Romans has changed greatly throughout Human History i mean in term of the last century or two most marriages were were not based on rowlands and large parts of the world arranged marriage is still the norm so i think love and romance are going to change over and over again as the evolves and exactly what intact sex robots is hard for me to say i have to say its its not incredibly appealing to me personally because i value the sort of emotional bond i get with another human because i know my wife is a human and she knows im a human in the a certain bond you get from the coming out of the and sharing but thats me if some people would prefer sex aroma to another human that doesnt really bother me in particular im all for freedom and people having the right to use or not use each new technology as it comes about so tell me something can they charge five Artificial Intelligence the same weight fights cloning. I think religion has a lot of tower to the human mind to grow and to create social cohesion in groups but you know religion is true very adaptive over time and if you look in the bible or the koran we dont take literally a lot of things that are said there no harm in the Christian Church adapted itself to Birth Control and even abortion reasonably will and i think religion will adapt itself to new technologies as the emerge i mean just as its been doing your company. Has found thats run by Artificial Intelligence from what i understand he makes predictions about Market Trends an investor cordingley its going pretty well right but if youre already earning money thanks to Artificial Intelligence why isnt everyone lining up for the tac i mean the more people have it the last of man its gonna bring you so are you maybe trying to keep it a secret or something. Financial prediction using is its definitely the wave of the future and i think within ten years. A tremendous majority of the money on all major markets is going to be traded by of of one form or another in an idea weve created some trading strategies that are reasonably successful at the scale at which they traded no but the specific strategies that were now trading theres a limit to how much how much money we can trade using using those we can trade trillions of dollars with them so were working to develop newer and better strategies it will be more and more scoble and a lot of other people are too but theres a diversity of different approaches that can be used on the markets just like theres a lot of different approaches to fundamental trading and to. National quoted of training so can we create an artificial intelligent robot thats based on a real person like cloning but for the mind i mean would that in essence be digital in our talent. It should be possible via scanning the human brain in great detail to matter of the neural circuits that make a person be them so and then replicate a neural structure in some sort of computer be a digital computer or a quantum computer some sort of Synthetic Biology no computer once weve done we will have a synthetic simulation of a specific human being and then then we have an interesting philosophy problem or a few is the simulation of me is that really me just some thing that acting like me and more interesting lee does a simulation of me does it make me does it have the same type of experiences and sensations i do or is it just a sort of philosophical zombie that impersonates me with as no true experience and these are questions that are going to be intriguing to explore right now and these are shots of the questions but as we develop these technologies these are going to become science questions and part of the new science of the mind so theres amazing new news of discovery that were going to be exploring exactly so if the human brain is copied on some kind of hard drive what about emotions and feelings i mean isnt immortality a kind of torture without being able to feel a single thang. Bush you couldnt feel anything you wouldnt be tortured nor you you wouldnt you wouldnt surely. Think that immortality whether in a human body freed of disease and suffering or in a robot body to which the mind had been uploaded them in mortality will be a great joy to many people including myself but if if someone gets sick of living it and finds it to be a torture im not in favor of of compulsory immortality so i as i keep saying i think people should have the freedom to leverage these advanced technologies or not. As befits their own tastes but theres theres a lot of things to explore in this in this universe as far as im concerned you know eighty or ninety use of life is is not nearly enough to learn everything there is to be learned travel everywhere there is to be travelled and growing everywhere and its possible you know its great if big science minds can live longer and create develop invent more but what about like another side of the story well tyrants and dictators they always want and have dreamed of never aging and living forever what might happen if it becomes possible for them. I think dictators are on their way and democracy is on the rise and the advance of ai that reduces material scarcity and improves communication between people and other minds this will help the rise of democracy and you know the increase of a peaceful and positive world for everyone all right ben thank you very much for this interesting inside to crazy world of an Artificial Intelligence good luck with everything were talking to a vendor crazy i mean i still cant get a catchy. But i hope with time ill embrace it like you do i just need more time than you. Anyways thanks a lot for this interview were talking to bangor its all Artificial Intelligence and were bought expired near author and entrepreneur discussing the rise of thinking world books and what that means for humanity in the near future thats it for this edition of survey call see you next time. Snow worm good bridge to come in you stupid twenty. Yaos nose to. East oklahoma so. Into. The so in the fall colors coastal. 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