Vulnerable people in our community for children for carers for older people weve seen people die and here as a result of the sturdy tory politics weve done our best medicaid against that in the north of ireland the fact is do you pay are in a ridge vent with the tories to keep them on par while those people are making decisions that are affected the person people in the north of ireland so its very disappointing to your the helps work first as well of vain and youre talking about austerity for people a collective economic brownish when you are the ones still being the power sharing agreement in stormont which means the billion pound bunker as it were given to Northern Ireland isnt fully coming through thats what the. Bring the money for all the health care and we were in an executive for ten years and every year we were asked to make cuts to our Health Budget to all of our budgets because of tory a sturdy and the conservative government took two billion find out if the. Block grant over that period of time so this is money that theyve actually taken off of that theyve just given back but the reasons that Martin Mcguinness resigned earlier on this year and the reasons that he said art and his Resignation Letter are still those every single one of those issues are still to the fore and still concerned he said the on in the russian war of course legacy is you can go on too but given that you know you have the worst Child Poverty some of the worst trouble because even western europe why are you stopping this do you cash going from was once because its a casualty of what we need we need an executive theres no doubt about that we want to be in the executive and if we could sort these issues out would be there in the morning but there are issues human rights issues that have been ignored have been decimated by the do you pay by our partners in government and when we went into that executive in two thousand and seven it was in the hope that over a period of time as we build trust and built a relationship that we could fix things like maija quality that we could introduce an Irish Language act that we could ensure. Through one hundred thousand young people involved in Northern Ireland and need that money so that the u. P. A. Said on this program see a minute of young people were in poverty a year ago when we were in an executive for the do you pay where they were agreeing with the cuts to the budget and were when we were sent to the British Government we need more money to medicare against things like the bedroom tax the a study measures we were asking the British Government for money for that and we werent we got some but not all that we wanted at the same time the finance minister was writing to the treasury asking for money for our hitch i recipients long boilers that werent needed in mt sherry the grocery they captured over but im going to im nineteen if i can finish the point they when we were asking for money to medicaid against the bedroom tax they were asking for money to put into the point as they got nineteen million at a time that the British Government was telling us there is no more money so yes money wont fix all of the problems that we have in the north we need a Rights Based Society we need a culture that embraces all of the people of the north of ireland at the minute the executive and the assembly. Are disappointed an awful lot of people and if youre a national which activist if you remember the travelling community if youre a Foreign Worker there are hundreds of paper for whom the assembly doesnt work and if were going back into the executive its not the basis of the status quo. It has to be a transformation of the executive on a number stand and from our partners in government that we need a right to sadie ok it doesnt look like any time before christmas thats going to happen but on a macro level shewn fane they want to be part of the European Union thats their policy that the European Union is known around the world as well as near liberal institutions there is there the people who would stop for the nationalization of Privatized Health services why is your party so connected with what is around the world seen as one of the most new liberal institutions or well dont forget we have ireland in the past eight hundred years has been under the cosh of the biggest colonizer in the world so you know colonialists yeah i mean its so you know weve been always been euro skeptic and youre cynical weve taken the decision to vote against different treaties and things because we felt that there was too much centralization in europe you can be part of the European Union and not embrace all of the. Well thats. Well obviously well reverend but clearly i mean youre European Union a bit in the European Union has been good for most of ireland its been good for the Peace Process and we welcome the fact that gave or have stopped Michel Barnier and others are putting the good friday agreement front and center of the relationship between ireland and the e. U. We recognize what youre saying and certainly id be very concerned about things like be concerned by th open w. T. You know when the big the big trade talks that could have an impact on our farmers for example the irish people will be fierce the choice basically were given out this year which union do you want to be part of and they they people in the north arent didnt pick being part of the British Union they wanted fifty six percent of people voted to remain within the course the border. Seven for the good friday agreement. Do you think that all of this is compromising the good friday agreement the things going out of ten downing street and other departments if you read the good friday agreement that was written best on the assumption that britain and ireland would be in that you know the European Union it was based on that assumption if the relationship that the good friday agreement is internationally by and an agreement if it is dismantled i think thats a very bad day for all of us we worked very very hard you have to start again i hope not i hope the next twelve to eighteen months can say a transformation i think we can celebrate what might this week we need to ensure the ball is still very much in play here we need to ensure that the next phase of the negotiations are done in such a way that the rights and entitlements of the irish people are protected and an enhanced so we need to ensure that a very fragile place that has existed in the north of ireland for the past twenty years isnt it doesnt disappear im not sitting here making threats im very concerned i have three children theyre grown up on the border im concerned about what their future looks like i think back to my upbringing on the border. A British Military presence in the north of ireland affected me growing up im concerned about any kind of moves towards hardening the border whether its through technological solution or whatever i would be fearful for the future of the north and i think the latter that youre starting talking about the open letter shows that theres a new confidence and an expectation and an aspiration among nationalists and Republican People that we wont ally our rights to be eroded we wont allow our rights to be denied we will ensure that we are looking to the Irish Government as our as a Call Guarantor of the good friday agreement to protect and hance and ensure that the rights and entitlements of the people in the north of ireland are minty and very briefly on that by through irony some suggest parties to the right. In southern ireland they all seem to agree with you does it mean the dublin controls the future of this country the United Kingdom i think people will say that as a as a way off track to insert a little bit of tension were out of here appears well be a us geve negotiate any of the e. U. Twenty seven can veto the day that is done i think people in this country had they known that the braggs at the trays in may envisaged was going to be as hard the result here might have been different as well i think things have been said and done that maybe attitudes in britain are hardened but if people in the referendum earlier this year it feels like one hundred years ago but if they knew that they were voting for exit in the december mar future. Well well but dublin is one of twenty seven Member States and dublin is the one most going to be most affected by brags that its understandable that dublin well have a very close eye on the negotiations and will ensure that their economy doesnt suffer and that their people dont suffer and dont forget when the conflict was going on in the north of ireland it wasnt just in the north of ireland and there were attacks in dublin and one hundred other times as well nobody in ireland wasnt affected by the border nobody and nobody and i. And will not be affected by brackets and. Cold and i need to ensure that that remains the case and that they are very careful apart gentlemans agreement weve seen them before with the british and they havent they havent we dont trust the British Government to do the right thing baron and we trust they we know theyll do the right thing by britain we need the Irish Government to stand up for the rights of the. 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Welcome back within the next twenty four hours the bosses of Facebook Twitter and google will be addressing members of the u. K. Home Affairs Committee over their role in promoting hate crime and violence but one scholar believes that the rise of social Media Companies are central to our second renee souls joining me now is dr Chris Katrina aurthur of age of discovery and fellow of the oxford Boston School at the university of oxford chris thanks for coming on before we start even on your latest writings thats Jeremy Corbin officially told drop. This man features quite elevens of your writing who easy oh right and you found a fundamental one of his good days this is your law most of on a roll he was a dominican friar in the fifteenth century and his claim to fame was that he evicted the mideast from florence in at the height of the european renaissance which was no mean feat because of course the middle east you were sort of the. Family that ruled florence for sixty years until he came along and with a populist campaign of angry rhetoric he united a population of florentines who who felt deeply anxious about the time that they lived in and he pointed to the mideast and he lay blame for for their fears for their weakness their anxieties upon the weakness that theres an interruption of the leaders of the in florida manatees to go back to something more religious arguably was the relevance to today so really the bonfire of the vanities i mean it was draped within a religious rhetoric but it was really about burning away the liberal values that were threatening his followers traditional values and you know one of the remarkable things of course about the rise of this populist of this false prophet was that it was enabled by the technology of print by this new media that enabled him to bypass gatekeepers give speeches on sunday to crowds of ten thousand and then you know the pamphlets the tweets were in the streets when people were filing out of the churches and it was that kind of the ability of these revolutionary ideas against the establishment that flowed with a terrifying new speed that enabled him to break the power of the recent writings of seeming to extol the virtues of a cooperative dalwood going back to soviet style eighty years of science of economics or fascist ideas of. Fair comment and you know when the heads of google and facebook and twitter are brought before parliament or before congress i mean there is a powerful Public Interest at stake and theres. The reason that they that they come before before these forums but again i mean i think as we you know rather than have a knee jerk reaction to what do we do with fake news with with foreign influence in our popular discourse with everything that happens on social media that we dont want to happen now before we have a kneejerk reaction to what we just need to regulate these problems away i think we should at least take one quick look at history and what happened attempts to regulate print and indeed the efforts by the church you know by kings and princes to to control this new medium of print is precisely what catalyzed society to develop new values like the freedom of the press which didnt exist at all until there was suppression of the press but to develop new values that led alternately to to the breaking of these traditional monopolies on truth lead ultimately to the spread of notions like a market economy like democracy everything we have in the world everything we have today modern he came out of the contest of how do we negotiate this new medium ok but isnt a good book a bit different to Twitter Facebook and and it was the other one with google which is already banning this station through promoting tweets on that station facebook already saying were going to muddle around with the postings on your time late couldnt you just got the press and the rolled it out and there was no corporate boardroom control and corporations very close to government we know the close ties between google go. And i think this is a great point that there are powerful disanalogy between sort of the past and the present and then the question becomes so. What. What meaning do we find in the differences and youre right i mean one of the big differences todays is just the sheer concentration within the organizations that put out these social Networks Facebook and google and we understand you know sort of contemporary economists that there are natural monopolies going on here they do make no sense to break up facebook say thats what youre saying well thats what i would United States me was they broke a Bell Telephone right and now theyve reconsolidate it in a different way you know essentially the which is again raised by a monopoly why dont break up google and facebook make it will democratically account i think one of the problems is the way that we frame this debate across the advanced liberal democracies is basically a debate between sort of laissez faire selfregulation so facebook will set up a committee to screen the news and decide if we do indeed is less safe and it is a real problem will be a strong case to agree to all these complexities but that versus you know we need to regulate these or entities as if they were publishers thats the debate that we seem to have set up in society and i think its a very strange debate because yes there are some characteristics that are similar to the Publishing Industry but its really a whole new thing i think that if were talking about regulating facebook or google that the closer metaphor is not that these are publishers but these are utilities the more people using the one platform the more value so lets just accept you know we have to say you do these a National Model please you seem to be raising it like railways water and electricity and what where is she and what is the public responsibility in that what youre going to. Produce. As regular regulators require but also as sort of the the academic world requires the usage data and really thats where i think we should get to you know were going to haul the googles in the face but in front of congress or in from the House Parliament and say. What theyre already doing is that we want the usage data you know during an election cycle during a referendum cycle what was the foreign spend on advertising or on posting and promotion that usage data is useful to us not specifically to regulate you but then go to our Foreign Affairs department or whatever it might be to look at that issue we do they have ties to intelligence agencies who have proved the google has ties to the military Industrial Complex the Security State so my fear is not so much over there are ties to the military Industrial Complex but that there are these proprietary ties and so you know if we accept that there is a military Industrial Complex that that does it is that they can request data that see me as a social scientist trying to understand as we adopt this new social medium what are all of the social consequences risks implications that we need to be aware of so that whether as policymakers whether as academics whether its organizations whether its educators we can develop responses it is it is not my argument is what is the risk power from below scaring the elites what were talking about here is power from above orwellian power ugly against the rest of the people is there a big difference that there is there is some difference but you know it depends how finally we want to argue history so i mean one of the powerful sort of power from below disruptions during the first renaissance was Martin Luther and the protestant reformation i mean this was i mean sort of the ultimate breaking of the establishment status quo but you know a historian would look at that and say this wasnt just Martin Luther you know with a Printing Press spreading this idea far and wide. This was a lot of individual princes within europe who looked upon this new narrative as an opportunity to legitimize their contest with rome and say no now i have a now i have a philosophical argument for why i dont need to listen to the dictates of the pope sure but my question is then and so there was a corporate body that was involved in the power of the vatican in fact the power of Facebook Twitter in other words these arent the great liberating. Operate as if they have to be overthrown democratized. We have to own the well im back and actually i think that that is a precise parallel to the advent of the Printing Press i mean the technology this goes back to fire you know fire wasnt the great liberator you know it gave us food and it burned down you know our possessions in our caves so since the beginning of a concept of technology it has been this neutral object and then the question is that the uses the purposes the concentrations to which we put it there are so many endorsements of your work started to wrap it there are so many endorsements why do you think they come from elite power when Richard Branson currently involved in our National Health service so many of these people from these big one would think the kinds of people that were all parts of the system grew up in in twenty zero eight and i bailed out by the taxpayer why did they like your work what are you reading into your work the pubs you yourself didnt think of when you were writing it thats thats a powerfully reflective question and and you know its not for me to. Assume sort of what were the thoughts in their mind that i like this book but i think you know as i read the testimonials from you know Christine Legarde the head of the i. M. F. Dominic parton the head of mckinsey you know a couple of nobel economists and that sort of list of people. I think partly it was the the optimism and the sense that no this is a moment where leadership is critical actually and so the stakes are very high leadership from above well i dont i mean i think i think we all speak from the place they are and and Christine Lagarde should say convicted. They like it because they fearful that the book could be used by the masses against these kinds of i mean i think you have to ask these people you know what i mean. Strange through all your writing is you know you talk about power in various ways. Not so much the power of say trade unions to all of this this will trickle power and threaten the elites like eight hundred forty eight like seven hundred eighty nine im not sure that thats a fair reading of the book i mean there is a substantial part whether were talking about the developing miracle thats taking place across the developing world over the past twenty five years or really some of the innovation miracles are taking place which you know certainly science and Technology Today has been driven from the bottom up a lot of stuff in the military Research Departments with keynesian backing but i mean. I wouldnt if you do that i mean we all understand that you know the big reason that Silicon Valley is where it is that there was a massive investment in the jet Propulsion Laboratory going back into the space race i dont think that that invalidates whats happening new we all if we all do use it what would what is your reaction to it and the way britain seems polarized at the moment im pretty persuaded in the advantages of being part of the European Union and the European Union project and so i had an opportunity to vote in the referendum and i voted to remain having said that you know here we are at the end of two thousand and seventeen and the vote was taken and i think its about taking the world is as it is today and i think that there are a couple of tremendous Silver Linings for where we are in the world today one and entire country and particularly a young generation has a powerful demonstration of the power of the vote. And you know for all of the handwringing that took place in the immediate aftermath about oh we kind of didnt really realize that voting was significant i think just demonstrated how precious and fragile and how lost the sense of the power of the vote that this is a choice that you individually and then collectively make was was lost and i think now has been has been recovered and then i think to what bracks it has done has demonstrated powerfully to all of those who voted to remain that you do need to have a compelling narrative about the time that we live in and about the project that you want an empowered citizenry to get behind and participate in there was i thought i would say very little respect for the capacity of citizens to understand identify with and support a political project there was a lot of scare mongering and fear mongering and trying to be the all knowing elite telling you what the consequences will be and so how you should vote and very little of here is what were trying to accomplish and do you support this vision of the future or that vision of the future because you know. Im relying upon your wisdom as a citizen to make this choice there was there was a very little of that speech i dont aggress get out of thank you thank you thats it for the show will be back on wednesday the last time drags me on to the prime ministers questions in Britains Parliament before m. P. s go away for their Christmas Holiday still in keeping with the on wednesday twenty eight years of the day the United States killed thousands of civilians in panama to overthrow its own cia backed drug kingpin dictates a man will noriega good stuff following orders. Backstabbers financial survival guide. Housing bob all. Oh you mean theres a downside to artificially low Mortgage Rates dont get carried away thats cause report. Apply for many flips over the years so i know the guy even so i got. The ball isnt only about what happens on the pitch for the final school its about the passion from the fans its the age of the super money kill the narrowness and spend to get to the twenty million. 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