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But by few other countries as well who are against the ceasefire, and also the possibility of their involvement in this war. Of scott ritter, former un weapons inspector, joining us alive from new york, also we have with charlet kates, International Coordinator of samidun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network from. Thank you very much to both of you for joining us, lets begin with scott, we are witnessing massacre a large scale that could be called based on textbook definitions, a genocide, ethnic cleansing, and despite that we are witnessing countries such as the us, few western European Countries supporting israel, why is that . Well, i mean the United States and europe have for a long time uh been the top supporters of israel, i think its linked to the lets just be very honest here, the the strong jewish communities in both locations and uh the i guess the romance they have attached to the israeli state based up on the horrors of the holocaust, the notion that there needs to be a jewish homeland in the middle east and uh and that this homeland must be secure and on on surface, none of thats um a problem, except when you overlay the reality of political zionism, and uh, you understand the creation of this jewish homeland came at the cost of the aspirations, the lives, the dignity of hundreds of thousands of palestinians back in 1948, millions of palestinians today, but the jewish lobby, the pro israeli loby has taken control of the um, the political dynamic in both the United States. And in europe to the extent that you cant have meaningful discussion about the reality of the situation today, give you an example, right now of these palestinians who are suffering, to call this out and and talk about it, youre accused of being antisemetic, this is one of the arguments thats put out there any time somebody tries to have meaningful discussion about the reality of um of the middle east, the reality of israel as it currently exists, and we we can to support real blindly, i mean, and i mean literally blindly, because if we opened our eyes, wed see the that its literal genocide, its not a suggest genocide, its literal just the transpiring tape in gaza, and its been going on for decades, weve just ignored it, weve weve pretended it wasnt happening, but we cant ignore it now, uh, well scott, since pointed out and you mentioned that date, 1948, uh, well that was a time when colonialism was still a thing, theres no doubt about it, but the United States, look, the americas romance with israel didnt begin in 1948, we uh, actually the American Jewish community uh was a little bit hesitant uh about embracing israel because of the colonial aspect, because of zian, it wasnt until the 1967 war, that um, suddenly the notion of a tiny embattled jewish homeland uh, this this narrative took hold in the American Jewish community uh embraced it, but america, thats the iron, america has been anticolonial. Um from the very beginning of the united nations, we were against British Colonial you powers, we were against the french, we were against uh the the Dutch Holdings in the uh in the far east, and yet we allowed this zionist state to be created uh in the middle east, which is a prototypical uh colonial you methodologies of acquiring land, oppressing people, etc. Okay, lets bring our guest from vancouver, canada, who could uh add a bit of zest to. That argument just put forward thought uh, well charlotte, canada has also a terrible history when it comes to taking overlap of the aboriginal, the people, the First Nations who were. So do you believe that reason why these countries are backing israel is pretty much because they are in a way complicit themselves . If we go back in history, these are the people who have committed the same crimes. The only difference is then there was no social media, there was no smartphone and that is why they could away with it. Fundamental, fundamentally yes, mean i i have to uh differ um with scott and the assertion that you states has been an anticolonial power while uh certainly uh the us rebelled against British Colonialism, locally it was also engaged in a settler colonial process targeting um indigenous land and indigenous lives, and of course it has become the center of imperialist power and control in the world, particularly in the past 75 years and is the dominant colonial force in the world today, and so its support for colonialism and occupied palestine, much like canadas, is not an anomaly, but parcel of its of the same way. That the United States and canada engage in relation to asia, africa, latin america across the board, certainly uh towards iran and towards the arab region, and weve seen this over and over and over again throughout the years and the zionist project always saw itself as a colonial project, and it was always viewed by its western backers and supporters as mechanism of maintaining control and division against the people of the region and their ability to control their own resources, their own destiny and their own. Future and what we saw on october 17th with the tremendous uh military operation resistance action that was undertaken by the Palestinian Resistance on october 7th was the fact that just as in lebanon just as elsewhere in the region the capacities of the resistance have reached the point where it is possible to talk about defeating the occupation it is possible talk about undoing colonialism in palestine in a meaningful way not only an ideal but as material. On the ground, and so what weve seen is this absolute, this absolutely panicked, and and genocidal response that, not only by the zinest regime and occupied palestine itself, but also by every imperialist power in the world, the United States, canada, britain, germany, france, italy, the the list goes on and on, and what these countries all have in common is that they are engaged in a process of extract. The resources and value from the people of the region against the will and without the consent of the people of the region and that the colonization of palestine it plays an indispensive role in this process and so all of these states view the future of socalled israel, the future of this settler colonial project in occupied palestine as essentially referendum on the future of us led imperialism in the world today and so what the palist resistance, the action of the Palestinian Resistance posed a true threat to this form of violent domination and control that has done so much harm to people around the world, to millions upon millions, hundreds of millions, billions of people around the world, um, and that is something that they are willing to engage in allout genocide in order to prevent that from happening, and so were seeing that reflected obviously most glaringly and most brutally um, you know, in the rubel that we see in gaza, in the 7,0 marters that have fallen, but also in the ongoing repression and attacks and attempts to silence any kind of movement for justice, even as larger rallies and demonstrations come out for palestine than weve ever seen any point in history. Exactly, and the organization that you represent, sam has also been repressed particularly over the past 20 days and we will definitely get to that. Hold that thought and go back to scott to see if uh you were actually able to convince him about that and scott what do you think it will take for people in countries such as the us and western europe and canada to stand up for whats right to stand on the right side of history and uh side with the oppressed palestinians . Well i mean its going to take a fundamental shift in the narrative look in the United States we have embraced israel as an extension of ourselves the. The notion that israel is just like us, democracy, just like us, people who share the same values and such, and so um, of course in the United States we have this very pecular religious aspect where fundamental christians, are waiting for the rapture, the uh, the end of days, um, believe that this cant happen unless theres an armagedden, and in order for an arm getting to exist, israel must exist, and so they blindly support israel for for these, for any number of reason. Weve been supporting israel and weve been buying into the israeli narrative that they are good, the palestinians dont have their act together, the an immature nation, the and or terrorist organizations etc. Um, what will it take . Whats happening right now . I dont mean to be too uh flippant here, but when you say 7,00 marters, theres two million marters in gaza today, these are people who are carrying out the kind of nonviolent resistance that has to happen to break the spirit of the oppressors, the sacrifices played out live on tv a daily basis help expose the lies every aspect about israel today is a lie, it is not a democracy, its a repressive fascist, zionist state, they dont comply with the law of war, they violate the law of war on an ongoing basis, in the past if you dare to mention this, you were shouted down, but you cant be shouted down now with the images playing themselves, not just the horrors in gaza, but the israelis themselves, the mass is fallen, listen to the zist defend whats going on, and you understand that these are people, they may their ancestors may be. Survivors of the holocaust, but these are people who embrace the same methodologies that was by nazi germany against their grandparents, the exact same methodologies are being used today, and people are starting to wake up, the their eyes are being opened, and this is why you see the demonstrations in street, and i think this is going to mark the end of political zionism, i dont think political zionism survives this crisis, as long as the people of gaza stay strong, and when i say strong, i mean dont surrender, dont give in, the suffering. Is horrendous, but its the suffering theyre doing today, i believe is the only thing that will wake the world up, exactly, youre absolutely right, and of course since you mentioned a public opinion, and of course uh the International Community becoming more aware of what exactly is happening on the ground, and that is basically due to the day and age that we live in, where we have social media, everyone of us has a smartphone with us and with that uh cell phone, well one of us is a reporter. Which brings me to the next question from charlotte, well charlotte, sami doon has been uh repressed, you havent been able to operate the way you used to, first of all tell us uh, give us more details about that and how uh, Mainstream Media is trying to take away the narrative, not allow independent media outlets, particularly social media platforms that can allow uh independent news to spread are being repressed by world powers, well absolutely so. So what were seeing across the board for organizations and movements that are working to advance palestinian liberation is that hand in hand with this genocidal assault on gaza what were seeing are all of the western imperialist powers kind of lining up to engage in suppression internally to try to stop this you know undeniable sea change and Popular Support and undeniable see change in Public Energy and opposition and rejection of their governments policies of complicity with and support for active genocide taking place against the Palestinian People, so in for example, this includes germany where the german state, while using the excuse of you guilt over the crimes nazi germany, but we have to push back and challenge that narrative, because the german state isnt acting like a party that feels guilty or bad about itself, instead what its actually doing is supporting fascist forces in ukraine and elsewhere, while at the same time palestinians and arabs for antisemitism, so its actually a way of of displacing responsibility for nazism from germany, so we see the german state is engaged in a tremendous amount of fascist repression, its state media and Corporate Media in germany is engaged in the kind of excitement against the palestinian, arab and Muslim Population could easily be compared with the kinds of nazi propaganda that we saw aimed at jewish people in the 1930s and the. 40s in germany, quite frankly, its that disgusting and its that appalling, and what were seeing from the german state are these bands on holding demonstration on holding any kind of action for palestine, whether its a vigil, demonstration, a protest, um, that police are going in, theyre not just banning these demonstrations, but police are going in attacking people, beating people up. We saw in frankfurt just a couple of days ago, German Police um, spraying down people with water hoses and seems reminiscent the civil rights. In the United States because they were holding videl um for the murders of palestine. Weve seen in berlin these just vicious uh attacks on palestinians and arabs and solidarity activists in the street with hundreds of people getting arrested a daily basis for saying free palestine wearing cafia or holding the palestinian flag um and in this course of all of this uh german chancellor olaf schultz went before uh the bundestag. In parliament and announced the solidarity network, our organization in team samy doon palestinian prisoner germany, which very involved in organizing demonstrations and actions and Public Education about the. Quality of whats taking place in palestine and specifically about the liberation of palestinian prisoners, and so what were seeing is that the german state not only wants to prevent people from coming out atressing support for palestine, theyre engaging in really a form of state terror against palestinian communities, seeking to deport people, seeking to strip people of their residency, seeking to denationalize people because they are palestinians, because they are arabs, because they are standing up for palestine, and it is so important that people in germany and around the world absolutely see this fascism in progress for what it is, and take a real clear stand against it, and it can just can be seen that its very obvious that these forces that call themselves, the International Community promoting socalled rulesbased international order, one order in which they make the rules and everybody else is course to obey. Theyre not talking about international law, theyre not talking about the. Laws of war, instead, they are talking about an absolute dystopia in which people are denied their fundamental rights of freedom of expression, in order to promote and assist in the act of genicide against the Palestinian People. So this is whats happening in germany right now, seeing similar seens in france, where uh the interior minister attempted to ban all demonstrations from palestine across the country, and weve seen Police Attack on demonstrators in britain, where uh raverman, the infamous home secretary, previously best known for her attacks on mans and refugees uh saying that saying free palestine or holding a palestinian flag would be punishable as support for terrorism and in the United States were seeing in florida uh governor ronda santos in attempt to prop up his fail president ial campaign seeking to ban student for justice in palestine on florida campus again once again in bladent violation of the First Amendment protections of the Us Constitution so this is a really dangerous and critical. Time in which supporting the Palestinian People fighting back and resisting genocide is fundamentally the key to fighting back against fascism and preserving those basic democratic rights everywhere in the world. Thank you very much charlotte, now im going to have to give more time to scott, because that took a bit longer than expected, of course im really grateful to you for explaining exactly what the challenges are that you and uh people like you who are supporting uh palestine are facing in western european. Countries so we just heard uh charlotte um telling us what the challenges are scott now uh what i would like to focus more since you are in the us and uh weve heard about the lihi law and we know that uh well according to this law the Us Government is prohibited from helping any government that would commit a war crime and as you mentioned so yourself its happening in gaza at the hand of israelis is the textbook example of with genocide means, with ethnic cleansing means. This is exactly what we read in books, were seeing it unfold before our very eyes and still we see the us support that, the us always boats to be a country of a law abiding country, if it does not abide by its own law, what does it do then . Thats a good question, first of all, i just like to say that i could listen to charlotte all day, and if uh, if you want to take all my time and give to her, id be more than happy to to stand by and let that happen, she uh, shes the one being oppressed, suppressed, and um, any chance she has to speak out, i think is is good, so ill answer the question quickly, maybe you can go back to her, look, the United States is a walking talking um example of hypocracy, uh, we claim to stand for one thing, but we do another, um, you, on the case of israel weve been, weve been hypocrites from from day one, uh, israel has carrying out the you know ethnic cleansing. Theyve been carrying out ethnic genocide, cultural genocide, theyve been trying to eliminate the Palestinian People, the the very definition of genocide in all of its components applies to the israeli policies against um against the palestinians, you know we its funny if you compare contrast the the position United States has taken against russia in ukraine where we exaggerate everything and an effort to make russia appear as the criminals, that they arent, um, the exact opposite is taking place israel and palestine, where every action of israel is not just through the action itself, a war crime, their policies as written are war crimes, examine for instance the dagha policy mowing the grass of collective punishment, it is the official policy of israel put in writing, it is a war crime in writing, but we ignore it, the policies that have been stated, the actions words, the deeds of israeli politicians and Israeli Military officers since october 7th and prior to october 7th, are uh causable war crimes, meaning that if a court of relevant jurisdiction or to. Take these instances to trial using the law as it exists, it would be 100 conviction rate against israel for the crimes of genocide, so its nothing but hypocrisy of the United States to pretend be this law abiding citizen, they laws are selectively enforced, israel will never be prosecuted or charged under the ligh laws. Thank you so much for that elaboration, were running out of time and i still have just one question for the both of you, you could keep that very quick, less than one minute. I would like to have both your answer as we talk a Un General Assembly has convenied uh for emergency meeting on gaza uh what do you hope will come out from this meeting and of course israel has very long history of not abiding by any kind of international law, are you hoping this time they would be able to force israel to abide by the law . Lets have scotts answer first and then well go to charlotte. Just have to look to history 1956 to suis canal crisis where france and england both had vetos in Security Council. The General Assembly gathered. Came together and were able to impose their will, it can happen today, i hope the General Assembly does that, bypasses the Security Council and makes the will of the world known about what the israeli crimes in gaza are. Thank you so much, charlotte. I think were in agreement on this one. Its about time for the people the world to put a break on the power of the u. S. , britain, france, and their partners in crime in uh destroying palestine, and we know where the people of the world stand, and thats with justice in palestine, not with zionist colonialism. Thank you. Thank you so much to the both of you, that was great show, and thanks for uh sharing your thoughts and views with us on this edition of spotlight. We had scott ritor, former un weapons inspector from brathlem new york and also she kates, International Coordinator for the semidone palestine prisidarity network from vancouver. Thank you, and until next time, goodbye. My years of research in literally and historical test me to a theory that i proposed in orientalism. بل اظون ان ادور سعيد هو مؤسس ما يمكن ان نطلق عليه بدراسات ما بعد الكولونيليه for years we had heard it said that we were the ones were trying to drive the jews into this. And here for the worlds eyes to be seen the speckle of palenes being sent out to the sea further away from the land that they came from. I realized the west not only has no problems with israel, but also loves israel. Tarted attacks on civilian infrastructure with the clear aim to cut off men, women. Children of water, electricity and heating with the winter coming, these are acts of pure terror, we have to call it as such. Your headlines on restv at israels war of side against gaza enters 25th day, hamas says almost 50 israeli captives have been killed in the re. Themas chief warns that if israels aggression against the gaza strip continues, the situation in the entire region will spin out of control. And pro palestinian valley continue across the globe in a show of solidarity with their

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