Progresses that the war crimes being committed by israel are disproportionate and indiscriminate, that means that they exceed the damage done by the other side in terms of lives and material destruction, and at the same time they exceed the number of of nontargeted individuals, were talking about tens of thousands and now hundreds of thousand. This is escalation of the violence and escalation of the war crimes. As as were speaking to our guests, these are also live images that were getting from gaza, as the Israeli Attacks continue, black plums or rather thick plums of smoke are rising through the air, which are showing that the. Israeli eerial onslot continues as we speak, mr. Hues, what do you make of this international uh support that weve been seeing in hundreds of cities around the world, denouncing these radi attacks, rallying in support of of the palestinians, do you think that there is increased level of Global Awareness now for the palestinian cause . I do anyone whos been following whats been happening and gaza from the siege from 2007 when hamas was democratically elected as the spokes persons for the Palestinian People because its never suited uh britain, it never suited america, never of suited israel, we all wanted abbass and all wanted the pa to become their preferred uh collaborators uh within the uh palestinian uh people and and political. Institutions and so we have seen an awakening across the world as to whats happening, i put it down to social media, i put it down to the fact that people can google what is happening and find press tv, they can find no denero, they can find george gallaway, they can find a lots of alternative truth speakers who are telling things as they are, who do not have an agenda other than telling the truth, i think more and more people, especially young. Jewish americans or wakening up to the realization that their dream of a land to protect the jewish people does not exist, not because that land cannot be protected, but because every violation upon uh Palestinian Civilians must go to the very soul of israeli society, the damage that they are doing to themselves, while nowhere near on par with the murderous campaign, that they are inflicting. Upon the people of gaza, it is a darkening of the soul of israeli society, the fact that the breaking the silence and groups come forward to explain to the world ongoing uh violations and human rights abuses and uh coldbloaded murder and execution of unarmed palestinians and the west bank proves that the damage that is being done the Brain Washing that is actually being done in in israel as having such huge. Cychological harmful effect on those people, because adults can only demonize and dehumanize other people if they have been brainwashed from children to believe that these other people have no rights to believe that these other people are out to murder you to, how many times have we heard people say theyll rip our children, theyll theyll rip the women, theyll murder the old people, and palestinians are terrorists when indeed palestinians are Freedom Fighters trying to free their land trying to protect their homes and they are not guilty of any of the crimes that the west and israel and the propagandist are trying to convince us all that uh the Palestinian Resistance and the axes of resistance in the region are capable of john, lot of experts have been pointing out this uh serious flaw that was exposed uh in the Israeli Intelligence and security apparatus, what do you think in that regard . Well, i think theres no system that is immune to uh to uh. Feet, that means that it was inevitable that at some point the people in gaza and the the Hamas Organization would find a way to break through the wall that encloses them in what has been called a a literal concentration camp. The population of palestinians has been concentrated into a camp in which they are not allowed to leave or enter freely. Thats the definition of a concentration camp. I think the world. Knows this definition now, and i think that theyre familiar, especially through the Mainstream Media and whats called normally called a lying Mainstream Media, its very, very hard to lie about this subject when theres so much video and theres so much photography being made from all sides about whats taking place, the lying Mainstream Media can no longer pull the wool over the eyes of the world. Now as the world wakes up to the reality. That has not been on the screens, what is happening is that hamas is receiving an approval from the public of the world, and its a passive approval because theyre watching what they did, theyre receiving an approval from many people around the world who say they had other choice. That doesnt mean that there has been a moral decision that has been correctly made by either side here, but all normal, civilized, peaceful, legal avenues of complaint were sealed, were impossible to pursue, and that means that a small minority, a more extreme minority than the majority will always attempt to take action, and there are people around the world who are saying that under occupation, any tactic is legal. These debates have brought the entire subject to the world view, and as we can see around the world, israel has lost sympathy, the sympathy that came as a result the holocaust is evaporating, and many jewish survivors of the holocaust around the world are speaking out against israel, and this is virtually unprecedented, so this. Is not only a military, psychological and intelligence, intelligence defeat for israel, its also becoming a massive moral defeat for israel. Im a christian, and i can tell you that having grown up in a Judeo Christian society, in which the two religions were put together very often in our society, there is now growing very, very deep split. Between jews and christians, because christians cannot countenance the wanten killing of civilians by either side, and especially not by a recognized international state, countries, normal, diplomatic and political relations. This has gone beyond the pale, israel has broken. Its trust with jews around the world, with christians around the world, and naturally with muslims and people of other faiths, we are seeing cataclysmic decline in the status of israel globally, and its of israels own doing, this decline of support for israel will destroy israel internationally, bratten, the. The israeli state, theres no way deny this. Frag huws, the capabilities of the resistance forces, how uh, improved at that it has become, was on display, as a result of the operation, alaqsa storm, should the israel start to feel less and less secure now . Yes, i think thats quite obvious, when weve seen all the people trying to. From bengurian airport in tel aviv while they carpet bomb gaza, these carpet baggers that have dual uh citizenship who can return to russia, france. America, britain, canada, australia, belgium, where wherever it is that they have uh moved from in order to occupy the homes and the lands of palestinians and steal their natural uh resources, uh, those people are trying to flee, i think that with the uh Drone Technology and the Missile Technology that hamas and the resistance groups in gaza appear to have acquired, has has given. A more partial uh level fighting field for all those involved and i feel very strongly that drones are now really the balance in wars, if they send in a hundred tanks in the gaza, if the gazans have hundred drones, you know they could lose hkava tanks very quickly, but i just like to comment just on on the question that you you put the jonner just for one second, it struck me as john was speaking that before we had alternative uh media and social media and social networks. If we go back to the times when it was the priests, were the only people who could read, and they directed people from the pulpit, and they were the educated people who in my view would have brainwashed the masses. Then we had the Printing Presses and that give the whole of humanity and opportunity to read, to learn about the world as it was, perhaps we should. Be viewing the alternative media as the new printed media against Mainstream Media itself. The fact that we now have a digital uh Printing Press to allow the world to take the time to uh susus out other alternative uh media uh organizations to find out whats happening. I think this is a rubicon that has been crossed and that is why so many tens of millions of people around. The world are awakening up to the israelis and atrocities. So we have live images from gaza right now on the top right hand side of your screen, we were just displaying for our viewers as uh the indiscriminate Israeli Attacks continue against uh the bassieg gaza strip, the gaza skyline is showing that first of all you can see uh the scope of destruction that the israelis have inflicted on the resident. Areas and Critical Infrastructure in gaza, humanitarian catastrophy, is unfolding, their dire conditions are contributing to this catastrophe, and yet the International Community sits idly by, when were talking about the International Community, mr. Boznic, we have to uh look back at what took place just the other day at the United Nations. Security council, a russia proposed humanitarian ceasefire was vedoed by uh the uh the americans and their allies, the the allies to the israeli regime, which could have stopped a lot of the bloodshed, how uh alarming, how um disappointing is it to see that humanitarian ceasefire would be shot down at the United NationsSecurity Council, well. First things first, anything proposed by russia is being shot down by america automatically, and and and unfortunately, that means theres no actual dialogue or discussion of these subjects taking place at the international level. America is 100 on the side of israel in this conflict, and we know that this is related to the israel lobby inside america, which is the single largest donor to not just the Democratic Party thats in power. In the white house today, but to the Republican Party as well, so all the bases are covered over there, america is in lockstep with the with the lobby that finances its political system, that means the next government of america is primarily going to be decided by the finances coming from the israel lobby inside america, so we cannot look to america for neutral position, and thats why the un exists, thats why International Bodies exist, and thats why russia is proposing to the International Community, and not to israel, and not to america, that there beasfire. Next, what we have to do now is take a perspective on this situation, 40 years ago, this kind of attack by the palestinian side on israel that provoked israels overwhelming response was technically not possible, now we have Nuclear Powers around the world, including north korea, are producing Nuclear Weapons. Nuclear weapons are soon going to be on the International Arms market. The next level of this. Conflict is the use of low yield Nuclear Weapons in the space known as palestine or israel. If that happens, israel, the government of israel, netanyahu and the military of israel will no longer be able to justify this kind of action, and i wish somebody on the israeli side would take note the fact that this is no, game if it proceeds, if it proceeds the way it has been, this is going to be terrible cataclysm, it is going to be the loss and killing of millions of people, including millions of jews, this is going to be second holocaust, and it is going to be authored, authored by the actions of israel, and this is something that the Israeli Government has has to respond to internationally and to its own citizens. Im actually looking for jews inside israel to insist on peace. Until that happens, were going to see cataclysmic, mass death, mass destruction and potential holocaust number two. Fraw huws, i want your opinion also on the recent United NationsSecurity Council session where the russia. Posed humanitarian ceasefire was vetoed . Well personally no longer look to the un, havent for a long time uh for any form of intervention anywhere in the world that is to the benefit of the people who are suffering from the oppressive uh imperialist massinations through the world, im not surprised by whats happened, we have seen uh thats almost pointless in the way saying it or restating it, but we have seen practically thousands of un resolutions against israel be vetled by america, france or britain and the uh Security Council and being voted down or voted against in the in the Assembly Body itself, and i think one of the dangers that maybe john has alluded to there about maybe a proliferation of nuclear arm contact uh ive traveled quite a bit through throughout the region, ive been in beirout several times and when i was in beirout recently, i was talking to people about the uh bombing or sorry the explosion in the uh beirout in the uh in the port of beirout and mean there are uh there are allegations that that was a thermonuclear device. That was exploded uh in uh beirout, that it was nothing to do with the fireworks and it was nothing to do with the fertilizers that had been there for 10 or 15 or 20 years, but it was a Battle Tested nuclear uh ornament and the fact that this cannot be said publicly is because of the reaction of the lebanese people, i dont know if thats true, but if we assume for one second that it may be true, it shows that there are people in the region. That have small tactical Nuclear Weapons who are prepared to use them, so if thats the case, that would be my concern Going Forward that a country with between 200 to 400 Nuclear Devices that it does not uh publicly uh testify that it has, we dont do what else it has, we do what else it will use, if it can kill 500 people, mainly women and children in a hospital and brag about that, i dont think that they would have any uh compunction not to use small tactical weapons uh in order not to protect themselves, but in order to inflict as much misery, pain and death anyone who would so much as throw a stone a tank or is a pan to rate against the atrocities of the Israeli Government, or indeed fire a rocket and support of the Palestinian People. Just early we had live images of. The rally taking place outside the un office in the iranian capital tehran, we spoke to our correspondent uh just uh earlier from uh the side of the rally there also uh iranians have taken to the streets expressing their support for the palestinian cause expressing their support for gazans and uh palestinians in gaza and theyre also calling for and immediate halt to the uh israeli crimes committed against uh the gazans als so all of this was fuled, all these pro palestidian and antiisraeli demonstrations were fueled by the attack on the alahne hospital in central gaza on two. Which uh resulted in the death of uh hundreds of people who were seeking refuge and seeking medical treatment at uh the hospital uh in gaza also we uh are showing you live images from the ghaza strip, the gaza skyline which is indicating that the Israeli Attacks are continuing against the palestinians and defenseless people in gaza. The Russian Foreign minister just recently warned that there is serious risk that the gaza conflict will become regional. Will you break that down for us, please . Not just in the gaza strip, but also in the other palestinian enclaves across the territory of the state of israel. I think we have a possibility of the activation of hezbollah. On the border of israel, and i also think that theres a possibility for precision strikes by rockets and missiles on, in response to israels attack on the gaza strip, and that these rocket strikes could be um very well targeted on large concentrations the israeli population, the the road forward, if it follows the current course, is road of mass murder and mass killing and and it will involve both sides and it will make israel appear to be uninhabitable to many of the jewish residents who are dual citizens and as youve already mentioned in this program, many of them will abandon israel and leave for other places, so were looking a disruption, a complete disruption of the israeli economy, were looking a potential trade embargo that goes beyond anything thats been seen before, were looking a possible ongoing rocket conflict in which israel has no targets that are not civilian enclosed, and the other side can pinpoint and hit israeli points of military, political and intelligence control. It is a, once again a losing game for israel, israel should not have reacted the way that it has in the extreme sense, that it has done, the Israeli Forces do not show any signs of targeting hamas. We have to remember that the Hamas Organization is roughly of its own declared membership, is roughly 1 1 of the population of the ghaza strip , so the other 99 of the people being impacted, killed, massacred, injured, wounded or. Displaced by the indiscriminate attack by israel are being radicalized, and the support for amas, the membership in hamas will rise astronomically, we can look at them moving from 1 to 10 in very short order, that 10 times expansion of the personnel and capacities of hamos is going to be nightmare for israel that they cannot live down and they cannot escape. This requires some. Levelheaded, moderate, reasonable, democratic, futureoriented thinking, that is absolutely not possible for netannyahu, it is not within his tool chest, he does not have that ability, since he does not have that ability, a third force has to emerge, and it will be a third force within palestine, within israeli community, within the International Muslim and jewish communities, and among christians like myself, who cannot bear to watch this and cannot silently stand by as accomplices through our silence in the mass murder and in the preparation for holocaust number two, and one last question from mr. Frau huws before we wrap up this segment of the program and thats the issue of accountability uh, there has to be accountability for these crimes, there has to be serious consequences uh for the killing of innocent women and children, um, the targeting of schools, targeting of hospitals, targeting of you onrun shelters, how can we ever see that accountability given the status quo, given the unequivocal support from the likes of the United States for the israelies . I would say good luck with that, because its not going to happen anytime soon. If you look at the historical parallels, youll see that no one was held responsible for the terrorism. The stern gangs, the hagana and the lehi who became future leaders of the idf and future uh prime ministers of israel. Uh, i think its important that one of the things that we we think about is how we can uh possibly help the people in palestine a practical level, and the only people who have held the israelis, the Israeli Government and the idea of to account or actually the Palestinian People. Themselves by standing up in resistance to the continued illegal occupation of their land, and indeed, i would go so far as to say, israel itself has no right to exist, because itself declared itself in 1947, 1948 uh, before it was realized or recognized by the uh United Nations, its a selfdeclared terrorist entity that has continued to terrorize its neighbors and its citizens from the day and are that it was born in bloodshed on the 14th of may 1948. Same question to mr. Boznich as well. Mr. Boznich the issue of accountability. Mr. Frau huws belies that uh we will not be seeing uh any form of accountability soon. What are your thoughts on that issue . Uh, there has to be consequences for the uh israeli crimes and for the manner and action that theyve been conducting themselves over the years with regards to the palestinians. How can that status quo ever change . Well, unfortunately, the institutions of socalled law and justice have been perverted to such a degree that we have the president of russia under a warrant from the socalled International Criminal court, the court that the United States refuses to recognize, but which it uses as a tool against its opponents, so the rule of law has been undermined and destroyed, thats number one. Number two, we have the selfishness and selfcenteredness. Ultimate selfcenteredness of the israeli leadership, which bears no likeness to anything else weve seen in the world, its a state which declares one class of citizens and officially has a system of aparthide long after south africa has been destroyed as an aparthide center. And finally, we have the worst of all, the egotistical, selfish and power centric american ruling group, especially in the Democratic Party, which does not. Care how many people are killed by either side in israel, so long as they can swing this to their advantage. Well, biden has fumbled this ball as hes fumbled most balls during his presidency, and were looking a fall of the Democratic Party in the United States in the coming of President Trump back to power, and i think were going to be surprised, even though President Trump is so so viciforously pro israel, i think hell be able to pull rabbit out of the. Hat and offer israel solution that it simply cannot refuse. So for those of you just joining us, the Israeli Attacks on the besieg gaza strip continue, you can see the plums of smoke rising through the skyline as uh the uh attacks are continuing unabated. This would be the 13th day uh to be precise as uh the uh the attacks continue against. Uh the residential and Critical Infrastructure uh in the palestinian coastal onclave, many more palestinians have fallen victim to the israely attacks on the gaza strip as Regime Presses ahead with its steady onslot against the besiege territory uh up until now nearly 3500 palestinians, thats the official record, our correspondent who we were speaking earlier said that that number will definitely rise and is much more. Than the number of 3,500 palestinians killed as a result of the indiscriminate bombing of the israels, at least 12,000 others have been wounded, of the 3,500 officially announced as the fatalities in the death toll from the attacks, at least a thousand of those have been children, and lets not forget what took place on tuesday, the uh Israeli Attack a hot. Hospital in central gaza uh which left at least 500 people dead to were seeking refuge and seeking medical um treatment at the hospital in central ghaza and now were seeing uh the live images of the ghaza skyline where the attacks on the bessieg people of gaza continues