That the International Community has failed when it comes to the palestinian cause, in this case the massacker by israelis and uh how a regional countries perhaps can unite in order to uh not have the un forum be a guide here to stop israel from doing what its doing and perhaps uh even have their formation be the one that may prevents the continuation of this massacre. Let me introduce our guest uh for this Netfa Freeman is a coordinating committee. Member of the black alliance for peace who joins us from washington dc, im sorry snm, professor of Political Science at burzed university who joins us from romala and nepfa freeman coordinating Committee Member of the black alliance for peace who joins us from washington dc. Welcome to you both uh sad so uh let me start with you and uh in terms of the way that uh were were looking looking at the developments in the region on the diplomatic side and the push for uh stopping the massacker thats taking place, weve seen two things happened, one the failure of the un where they were again not able to come up with any type of solution of which the russian envoy slamed to the un for that, at the same time uh were seeing what for example has happened in jedda in saudi arabia with the oic, ivan was in attendance, other persian gulf countries of the arabs, arab countries of the persian gulf. Were also present and they were united in the way that they thought israel should be punished for this amongst other things, where do you think the failure is coming on the un side of things and in terms of the regional countries how theyve united to perhaps make something happen to help the palestinians . Good evening for you and all your viewers and also your guests, your guest, well i think the um password for what you asked. Ask for this question is usa, its United States, they are pressurizing the united nations, especially in the security council, they were very influential in the issue of not to get the resolution coming through the russian russian suggestion, and also the same thing happened with the two events, not only the islamic countries who met in riad, but also in during the arab summit or or the Foreign Ministers of of the arab summits which you the the um the of statement came out was not only very weak and very bad but also it was very much influenced by the United States so what we are talking about now that the role of the United States in the whole war this war in in in palestine israel is a player but the major player here is the United States, they are encouraging israel and they are the one who are trying also to push things out, the meetings that they had with the even the war cabinet, of whether it was blinking or even biden today, of it was so clear, and just now, after the meeting, netanyahu is saying that we are preparing for Something Like big and we will change the whole situation for our sake. Okay, what . Kind of plans do they have, we dont know, i will remind you with something, in the year 2006 and during the war on lebanon, when the israeli felt that they are losing the battle to hizbollah, they tried to get out of the battle and to stop to see fire, but it was at that time kunderiza rice, and she was still pushing them, no, go ahead, go ahead, dont stop, dont stop during olmart when he was the Prime Minister in israel at that time, so it was clear that the american are the major player, the american from their point of view, i believe, now in the middle east, its the major battle for them, and its maybe more important than the ukraine issue. Why it is important because yeah well hold onto your thoughts so let me let me get freeman in here do you agree with that is the us now the major player mean after all weve never had uh according to our um records that thats out there a us president to come into i dont know if i should call the war zone but in a zone thats obviously filled with this type of conflict that uh that exists and also then showing um its support for israel with the 2000 sailors with the two aircraft carriers what are your thoughts, is the us the major player here . I agree wholeheartedly, i dont even know what i can add to with the your guests has said, i think the analysis is spot on and that what, well what i can add that um, that this whats happening now and what the people Palestinian People and the people of of gaza, all the people of gaza are being subjected to is a shift in attention of the us, eu, nato access of domination, they their uh intent on on waging war against the people of the global south around the world, um, the Palestinian People have been subjected to this since for 75 years of since the establishment of this Israeli Zionist state, um, and right now, after this failed proxy war in ukraine, theyre turning their position to here, they didnt, i dont think they expected the at the attack that they got, the israeli state expected the attack they got, thats why theyre putting all of they can all they can into. The propaganda apparatus of this, getting people um to to to single out in the sector of the palestinian u um resistance to the occupation and the resistance to settle colonialism um and try to make pin it on them and and use that as an excuse for the continued genocide against the Palestinian People and so we should as and the black lines for peace we stand with the people of gods and all Palestinian People under occupation and the. Ist aparty settler state of israel and that we will not be golded into a white supremist settler colonialist media uh that singles out uh for condemnation any sector of the Palestinian Resistance thats not our place to do that um and so anyone who does so who is not a palestinian is out of place and and and is uh siding casting the lot with with racist zionism id like to ask you sadnim based on your expertise it it appears and and you said there was a war uh cabinet session that happens and of course while us is there with israel that they are going to do to partake in some kind of military action which all uh fingers point to them moving towards that Ground Invasion so so we we know that that may be happening and its on the high side what about the regional countries do you think that the us is expressing to them what its going to do and if so the us has plans in place do regional countries do you think have plans in place . Except for the announcements that have been made by hazbullah, maybe the resistance factions and iran. Right, okay, well first of all, let me say that what they agreed with netanyahu on is a big plan for the region, its you know to clear gaza, totally clear gaza from the population and get them out of gaza, most probably to senai, and the statement came out today by cc, the. President of egypt talking about that, it means that there is talks with the cc and egypt by the the americans, though he refused the idea that to move the people to the Palestinian People to to sinai desert, but this is the plan since you know long time, not just you know recently, so we believe that the israeli are going to continue in this plan in bombarding gaza and pushing the people out of gaza in in order to achieve that goal. They will get into the Ground Invasion, it was said today in the jerusalem post, one of the israeli most prominent newspapers in english in jerusalem, it says that the plan was on friday or saturday to do the, and then the american postponed them till this meeting with biden today, so we believe this yes, the Ground Invasion is coming and israel are going to come into gaza, but first they will. Have a week of really very heavy bombardment together in order to push the people out to the south as far as they could get them to the south and in such case yes you are absolutely right, i think that will turn this battle into a regional war, and definitely hizballah who had indicated many times that if the israeli entered gaza an Ground Invasion, hizballah is not going to stay calm, and the americans said, dont worry about it for the israel we will take care of hizballah, we have we will take care i mean, the americans promised the israelies that they will take care of hiz allah, meaning that they are going to take the uh battle there and they will fight hizballah with their air strikes on on on lebanon, but at the same time we are talking about you, other regional parts, we know that in yemen they said that if the americans start bombarding hizballah, in such case definitely we are going to bombard all the american bases in the gulf states and the same did hizballah of iraq, the iraq is also did the same and they today they sent some missiles to. One of the american paces, so we are talking about a really a regional war. Now how the the americans calculate that, yes, we are depending now on their arrogance about we can do that, we are you know power, we are you know and they want to show something in the middle east and to rearrange the middle east once and for all from their point of view, to put israel as the master in the whole middle east, and this is the plan from their point of view. But would would that be successful or not . I dont think so, because you have also jordan, you have lebanon, you have people are not going to to be silent according to to when it comes to this concern, so i believe that would be at the battle of the middle east. All right, so so mean freeman, our guess there talks about the us plans along with israel, but at the end says that thats not going to work out really, because not work out, but its uh. Is going to end up in a defeat. Im sure the us uh has and israel have uh and their um ministers of military affairs have uh painted all the different scenarios and if it ends up in defeat then why per take in it uh but then the question comes about that theres no turning back for israel on this matter so is the only option left for a military one uh which will engage the region into a allout war. Well, i think military option has been the only thing left to imperialism for quite some time now, theyre proving that, and that they and i think their ultimate defeat is that the the rest of the world is not with them on this, i mean some im the based in washington dc and regular people are getting bombarded with all this very onesided uh depiction of whats going on here, but any of us who pays attention to whats going on, the demonstrations, even inside in washington dc and and within the United States, but also around the world, um, that the everyone is opposed to whats going on here, as opposed to israel, as opposed to United States position uh on this, and that they are for the palestinian, the cause and resistance, so that in itself means that they are fighting an unwinnable uh situation, its a reactionary situation, but i think its also one of desperation that speaks to the. Inability, i mean they cant really accept um any anything thats not under their domination, and then like the speaker said, the leveling gods and and taking away all of every aspect of palestine and the west bank is and putting it under their control has been their agenda for a long time and they see this as opportunity to to do that, um, but at the in the end it really is not something thats uh thats accomplisheable because the rest of humanity is against it. All right, you talked about how uh, the sad nemer that the u. S. Wants to, along with israel, uproot the palestinian, and uh, the Ground Invasion is uh going to be the precursor to that, and then eventually they want to move them to the south and then into egypt. Now we know that the egyptian president uh has rejected that, he had, he has come out and said that uh, it was proposed by the u. S. Uh, and said that the us told him that if you do that and accept the palestinians, were going to erase the debt that you have, now um, some are saying, well egypt has to say that, because uh, it has to show some kind of objection, because if it doesnt, then its going to have uh the wrath the people, the egyptians on it, because egypt is on the payroll just like jordan is the us, so do you think that egypt is just giving lip service on that on that idea, but in essence it has to listen to the us, absolutely, yes it is ellip service, not more than that, but we know that by the end of the day the meeting. Which was cancelled yesterday, its supposed to have jordan, egypt, the Palestinian Authority and biden in, what are they going to discuss . We know what biden wanted, and biden make it very clear, even after the bombardment of the Baptist Hospital in gaza, he went out and said, well its not israel, its you know the internal issue, palestinian bomb bombarded that, its not israel, so what he is going to this. Discuss with egypt and jordan and the Palestinian Authority, definitely they were talking about you, eliminating the Palestinian Resistance in the gaza strip as well as in west bank, because there were als also some negotiations between the israelis, jordanians, egyptians and the palestinians, to eliminate the Palestinian Resistance in the west bank, and the palestinian make it very clear that we cant get into the Palestinian Refugee camps especially in west bank, so it will be your role to do it. That was so clear and Everybody Knows it, so what they were talking about is to eliminate the Palestinian Resistance. Not only in gaza but also in the west bank and its so clear that thats the idea beiden have it and the cc in this case after what happened last night and all the demonstration that came out even in egypt and the criticism to egypt that if you are sovereign country how come you cant control one crossing on your own soil you know which is rafah cross to to gaza, because the israeli prevented him of doing that, so he wanted to show at least, some dignity in this respect, and thats i think it is, yes, as you describe it is service, all right, thats a very good point that he makes there in terms of how egypt is not opening up the crossing and could say no to the us and could say no to israel and let aid in, but its afraid of the obviously the the people who uh pay them in particular. The us um since you talked about the fact that there are protests in washington dc, well theres been protests all around the world, perhaps unprecedented, i shouldnt say perhaps, it is unprecedented due to the large volumes of uh, not only the number of incidents, but also the number of people who have come out uh, do you think that makes a difference uh in in the Bigger Picture that they can perhaps um have some kind of sway when it comes to the politicians, and by the way, it also shows how wide. Uh the the the divides when it comes to the people supporting palestine and the officials of their country respective countries who actually uh support israel, not support, but who have relationship with israel, and what i think want to just make sure that the viewers know that the the demonstrations around the world with washington dc is not the only place within the us that theres demonstrations, new york, all across in california, all the places chicago, theyve been having large demonstrations in support of the Palestinian People and and that should be understood. I dont believe i, i dont believe it will have much of sway on us policymakers, um, were seeing all of them, they theyre really just dionist, you know, and the congress, the senate, and definitely the presidency, its a prerequisite to be a zionist, and and be in the office here, except for you have some that some of these new progressive. Of seeming you know uh politicians that have emerged but theyre very isolated and even them are equivocating on the issue and and having the they feel like theres some condemnation of the quote on quote both sides and that theyre not actually getting they will not be able to speak on the root and fundamental nature of it which is settler colonialism and people forget that the United States is the settler colonial this country its just like a clony state and that uh and so and its been so normalized and resistance the Indigenous People and the confinement of them is is so sort of uh neutralized and control that people people dont realize it, but i think that what i the th answer to your question is that theres a lot of uh uh the media here downplays the demonstrations and the up i dont think and that the policy makers when we talk about countries i think we have to put it in sort of a class uh situation here so if we talk about egypt were talking about the. And egypt and power not the masses of egyptian people, were talking about the United States is the same way, and theyve been able to confine uh and and wide out the the outcry of the people and and show that they dont, it doesnt matter what the people say, theyre going to do whatever, the theyve destroyed libya, they just went invaded ar so you know theyll do whatever now, theyre set on it and really feel like their disposition in the world is dependent on uh full spectrum dominance regardless of what the masses of the people say. All right, some nim, the scenario that you painted uh where you said that israel is going to move in with the Ground Invasion, youre going to have the us assist uh israel to make sure that it doesnt fall short or get defeated there. You know uh at the same time you also said that uh youre going to have uh perhaps then the regional front open opening up such as hezbollah which may pull in other countries into this. Well if were looking at that scenario through the eyes of the us and israel, the very well. That those are the risks that they want to take, even though many are saying that the us is doesnt have an appetite for a wide regional war, but if it happens and those um those scenarios play out um the regional countries, im sure on the one hand want to defend palestinians, but on the other hand dont want to have a war, so that has to pull in uh the us in terms of getting either the their okay or not, do you think uh that the us is telling them, were going to do what were going to do, no matter what you think . Yeah, maybe at the beginning the americans were evaluating the situation and maybe they didnt want the things to get even bigger than what it is and to to remain in gaza, otherwise they it was so clear that the American Administration had sent so many messages to lebanon particularly from under the table if you like to threaten lebanon that if hizballah interfered we are going to interfere and all these kind of things, so i think at the beginning they wanted to stop that, but now its quite clear after the visits of blincon to the region. And to the to israel many times and now the visit of baiden, its for the very First Time Ever that president of United States would come to visit a country when she when it is in war like whats going today and because netanyahu declared this is a war, so how come is that and its also for the very First Time Ever that a president of United States is attending a meeting of the. War cabinet of another country, you know, its so clear that now the american are pushing towards that. Now how what what would be the end . Its always the same, its always the same, you know, you are talk about you know the thinking of power, thinking of arrogance, thinking of generals who could put map in front of them and say okay, well go from here, well go from there, well do this, well do that, but what is the aftermath, this is quite well, but they fail when it comes to history, so what happened like in iraq, they okay, theyve occupied iraq and what happened, it became now the opposite, totally the opposite of what they wanted, so i think that in so many areas, they have power, they could occupy, yes we know that, but whats the aftermath . To be realistic, we are not. Saying that maybe the Palestinian Resistance in gaza is going to invade israel, this is absolutely out of the question, we know the power of israel versus the power of the Palestinian Resistance, but the defeat that the israeli have, the mentality of defeat that they had, and especially if hizballah interfered also in this battle, in such case we say that we would won this battle for the palestinian sake. Thank you for that, were going to end it there. Fresh out of time, sad nember, professor of Political Science at burset university, and Netfa Freeman, thank you, coordinating Committee Member at the black alliance for peace. That brings us to an end for this edition of the spot life for me and the team. Its goodbye. Hussein and ibrahim are standing on the ruins the house overlooking the school in the Northern Gaza Strip town of bade hannun. The israelis rounded them up and killed 16 of them where they stood, mostly children, and wounded more than 55 others. The children were playing in the street, some were playing on the swings. We were. Surprised by the explosion, but when we turned round, we saw the children had become shreds of flesh laying in the street, somewhere injured and some others were dead. My uncle shaban, jamal and muhammad were among those who died. Every child of palestine now carries with them memories of explosions, of screams of horror by the inhumane, unconshanable actions of israel. Imprisonment in the israeli jails has a special taste, has a special condition as a special experience حكم عليه 99 سنه و99 سنه. من ضمن التعذيب الجسدي كان الهز وكان الشبح على الكرسي الصغير they segregate the palistine to destroy the humanity. More palestinians fall victim to israels attacks on the gaza strip as the regime continues its genocidal policy against the besieg territory. Propalestinian brolies continue throughout the world in the hag, protestors of urge International Criminal court to stop israeli genocide of palestinians, and iran calls for joint efforts by all muslim