About these things the way they used to for decades is in the completely uh you know zionist dominated uh Mainstream Media in in the us which of course are all you know part of that whole ruling elite and lot of the americans uh are just brainwashed and dont realize it but its also interesting that even in the us you see that its its not the way it used to be, you have lot of people who are waking up right uh and and im not optimistic because obviously the. Dont have lot of power, but its not that kind of blanket propaganda and brainwashing that we used to witness, for example during the iraq war when that was happening, but the important thing is whats happening on the ground, which is you have strong powers in the world, whether its regionally or of globally, and theyre not going to allow uh this to happen, even if the americans and the israels want that to happen. Thank you very much with that, turabi, director of the rasal strategic studies institute, spoke to us from tehran uh from. Seattle washington, Alice Rothchild joins us, hes an author, activist and filmmaker. Alice rothchild, welcome to the program, uh, were just speaking to a um, analyst here who pretty much points, and im sure you agree, to the inefficiency of the un that is dysfunctional, and uh, this is something that that is very well known, for many different reasons, but in particular when it comes to the palestinian issue, and israel, it has truly failed, why is it that were. Seeing this happen time and again uh when it comes to the issue of palestine and what israels doing, why not put the un aside and have countries that want to form logical approach towards this . For example, russia made a proposal that was rejected and were seeing in some sense uh what that uh has entailed in terms of the consequences, at least there was a chance perhaps if the russian proposal was accepted, but why not put aside the un and have at least the regional . Form uh something in the context of lets say the oic or another organization in order to do something when it comes to the massacre of palestinians in this case and point . Well i think the un has both helped the palestinian survive through uno and support of refugees and also failed on the political scene because of the domination of the United States and um israel in the context of un. Ability to move forward, you know, im not a political scientist, im a physician and human rights activist, but it is clear to me that the um surrounding uh countries uh that are witnessing this genocide in gaza are not going to quietly let this happen, and so i i i cant speak to the the exact question youre asking, uh, because its not my field, but um, i think that uh, the the attacks that uh, the assault that israel has launched on gaza is certainly going to trigger a response uh from all of the countries that you mentioned, and this is a whole new ball game now, yeah, im sorry to ask that question in the form and manner that i did, uh, so ill come at you with an, maybe an activism uh flavor in this question that im about to present to you, or healthcare, im good on healthcare, healthcare, were going to get, were going to unfortunately the healthcare thing is going to touch on the humanitarian side of whats happening there, uh, but before i get to that, on the activism side, given the fact that theres a uh conference that was held a summit, i should say in jetta of the oic, many of the regional countries in attendance, irans for minister proposed sanctioning israel, now the minute that that word sanction came out uh from him, one uh can only at least i was immediately drawn into the bds movements, maybe theres uh this is a time uh for that to be revitalized and perhaps put into motion because theres got to be some repercussions and um consequences behind what israel has done uh in terms of the massacker that that has taken place, do you think that theres enough uh enough of a will by at least regional countries, if not internationally speaking, which weve seen the condemnation come worldwide. For Something Like that to be put into high gear . Well, i think you know the story of bds is the story of palestinian nonviolent resistance, and the world uh, or at least the western world, not being willing to um accept that, and so the irony is that when they resist nonviolently theyre condemned, and when they resist violently theyre condemned. I think this is an optimal time to uh remobilize the boycot devestment sanction movement. It will be an uphill battle in the west. Western world um, but perhaps it will be more uh well received in the rest of the world, um, and i think the western world is um, as you said, getting more and more aware of the role of the us and western countries in supporting what has been defined as an apartide regime and the need for political pressure and political change and boycot devestment sanction is very proven tactic in other struggles and and i would certainly um hope that this rises up as a response rather than um a military response because what weve seen is that these the wars that the us uh supports um in this region have been catastrophic for both the us and for the countries that get attacked. Is it is it right uh to put some responsibility and wait on activists and for activism to take place when it comes to the issue of uh israel and palestine, especially at this juncture in time, because activism on this issue, i think right now may prove to be much more efficient than prior, even though this type of oppression or this oppression has taken place for decades now, but maybe right now uh activists should get more mobilized to come out and to voice what is happening there on the streets, weve seen the protest, but im wondering if this should uh, there should be a continuity to it, well i can speak to the ac. In the United States, um, i think this is uh, probably the first um, major assault on gaza where people, particularly jewish groups and anticolonial groups and palestinian groups are out on the streets and are, occupying the offices of Congress People and are gathering in washington dc and you know blocking all the entrances into the white house, i mean the activism today is much fiercer than it has been. In the past attacks that weve seen, so i think activists have very major role. It is total uphill battle in this country, because you listen to biden, you listen to Congress People, everybodys like lining up in support of israels quote, right to defend itself, um, and you know, i think we can be horrified by what, the war crimes that hamas committed, but that does not justify genocide, what a justifies is addressing the root causes of the conflict, and Holding Israel accountable. For what its done and and that has to be uh um that shift in um understanding is partly uh going to come about through activism but also through academia and politics and all the ways that uh people change the narrative of a conflict, but you know we live in a settler colonial country, we have a history of racism, were not great leaders in moving forward in this, but i think we have the potential to be, because the us publi has much better understanding of what the causes are, but its still not the mainstream cause, a mainstream understanding, so theres a lot of activist, education, media, all sorts of things that need to happen uh to change uh the understanding of our country. All right, uh, id like to expand on the things you just said, but since uh, you, i think you mentioned that, youre informed on the physician side of things here, what would you like to talk about, a physician, right . Yeah, so what would you . Like to talk about, i mean uh, its pretty evident what is happening in terms of uh, what what, well, tell us what youre saying, and in that through that lens, tell us what you think . Right, so im a physician whos done human rights work and i was, ive been in gaza four times, the last time was in august, and what we know, according to International Law is it is illegal to attack medical facilities, and medical providers, and that um the geneva conventions clearly state. That and so what were seeing is um both direct attacks on medical facilities and medical personnel and were also seeing uh direct attacks on civilians which is also not allowed under the laws of war and so what were seeing is just for instance restricting water and electricity and fuel um is a crushing blow to a civilian population that already didnt have enough of those things and and basically it looks like the plan is sort of starvation and misery and lack of healthcare, and and this is uh war crimes, this is egregious, this is against um all the the the geneva conventions, and so as as just looking at the medical crisis, um, it is just appalling and needs to be condemned, and like for the israeli government, to tell hospitals in the north that they have their 22 hospitals, the major hospitals in gaza to evacuate and go south, this is death sentence, uh, the major hospitals in the north are providing critical care, theyre already completely overwhelmed, theyre running out of fuel and then they will have no electricity. People are talking about hospitals becoming morgs um and if they were to evacuate, how would they do that . The ambulances are being bombed, theres no the roads are bombed, where would they evacuate to . Its just outrageous, and so thats why this looks more like genocide um than anything i can imagine, and you know, im talking to, i have lots of contacts in gaza, and theyre talking about lack of food, lack of water, um, diabetics dont have their insulin, all these people on dialysis are not getting dialysis. Is these people are going to die, and and is the world going to just stand by and say, well, you know, its war and bad things happen in war, no, you know, so one of the things that im involved in is bott implications of this war, and then mobilizing um healthcare workers to to speak out and to say, we cannot allow this to happen, and we need to name it, and and so thats the kind of work that that i see is important, and and its important partly because you there are a lot of people that dont understand the siege and dont understand um what happened in 48 and 67 and have all sorts of political opinions, but nobody, no human being should be able to um defend starving civilians, dehydrating civilians so they have no water, having no fuel so that the hospitals cant function, this is a war crime, and i think we can appeal to people um with the reality on the ground. Around in a way that bypasses whatever political stuff is going on, so that they see the consequences of this kind of Bombing Campaign and assault a population that already was basically on life support, mean i spent time with farmers and fishermen who can barely make living because of the israeli sige and getting attacked in their boats and having the israelis flood their crops just before harvesting and not being able to do repairs because they cant import anything that they need to do repair. With this is like a humanitarian crisis top of a humanitarian crisis, so people who work on humanitarian issues, people that work in healthcare need to be speaking out, and thats what were organizing and focusing on for me. Well, when you have the us president , who wisited israel, it is reported that he did talk about the humanitarian assistance uh in one form or another, and that israel actually agree to it, and then there was an announcement, and this is the, i dont know the how many times this has been announced in the past. Few days, but then nothing happens, right . I mean, why is it that that is not happening, do you think . Um, you, its hard for me to say because im not on the ground and im not talking with the people in charge, um, but what i understand is that um, egypt is having issues about letting people leave gaza and letting humanitarian gaid aid in. I dont know the whole, you, its not public exactly whats going on, um, so there are a lot of questions about. That, but you know, this, this is an emergency, humanitarian has aid has to come in, it could come in through another checkpoint, thats not rafa, um, it is outrageous that this is happening and that um humanitarian aid agencies arent allowed to bring their stuff in, and im sure if there was a will, there would be a way, and you know, i think egypt is afraid of having refugees in the sin and having to deal with this humanitarian catastrophe themselves, i get it, but we cannot let people in god. Starved to death because of political differences, this is just uncontionable. Um, the fact that you have uh, the idea of palestinians being uh uprooted, i just like to get your opinion on this uh from their land, which in this case in point will be the ghaza strip, um, and uh, as an example, since we just mentioned egypt, for egypt to take them in, its said that the us president joeden has actually proposed that to egypt and their debt would be uh at zero if they were to decide. That which egypt rejected uh, why is it that that approach is being used when its been outright rejected . Again, im asking for your views on this uh, in terms of your opinion that there was this type of proposition made, and its still im sure being worked on or trying to be pushed through if possible. Well, you know, i can only uh speak from the conversations that ive had with my palestinian colleagues. Um, its important to remember that 70 of gazans are refugees from some place else. Many of them can see their villages from. The eastern uh fence, um, and so as refugees, they are very aware of the price of leaving in 48 and 67, and so many of them are. Saying things like, we left in 48, were not going to make that mistake again, i would rather die in my home than be a refugee again, so theres that going on, and then there are people who are faced with the utter catastrophe of their lives, who will go anywhere just to survive, and both of those um streams of thought, because this is totally impossible situation, but it is, it it again reminds us that if International Community and israel and all the International Agencies involved, do not understand the issue of refugees and the rights of refugees, then this will just continue to be catastrophe, and you know, i can imagine if people in gaza end up in the sinai under egyptian control, maybe they wont starve to death, but then theyre remade as refugees again, and so theres another refugee crisis top of many uh horrors that have already happened to refugees, and you know populations that have. So much loss and so much pain and are um beliddled in the conversation about rights and the right to determine your destiny and your refugee rights, that means that youve just generated a whole new generation of people who are in, are going to resist, because unless you deal with the root causes, youre just creating more resistance, and so youm interested in the longterm solution and longterm peace and people getting along with each other, it doesnt, happen if you create keep creating more trauma, more historical catastrophe, more things for people to be angry and hopeless about, thats not um, thats not how you get to some justice solution here, ali, thank you very much, author activist and filmmaker from seattle washington, from cape town, now we have uh zenal abedien gaddafi, he is a coordinator at the zagzaki Foundation South Africa who joins us, znal abadin gaddafi, welcome to the program, um. We are looking at minutes ago where the un um took had a meeting of which the us again uses vedo power, which in some sense uh would allow israel to continue what its doing, not that israel heads International Law nor the un. Riad mansura, the palestinian envoy to the un, made some very good points of how it said that um israel doesnt deny killing, using his words, israel doesnt deny killing members of the same family, in one instance 45 members, it has done that through. About the years, right now were looking at 3500 palestinians, almost all civilians, women and children to have been killed as a result, and he said that we cant allow this to happen, if the un cant uh do anything about this, where uh can countries resort to that are concerned to use the diplomatic route to prevent israel from continuing with this massacre . Thank you very much for having me on the show, correctly said the United Nations, especially the security council, but apart from the security council, the United Nations as a whole has failed to assist the liberation of palestinians and more so failed to prevent the illegitimate zinas regime from imposing their military aggression and their sadistic genocide upon Palestinian People for the last 75 years, the illegitimate regime has failed to head any International Laws even when it comes to the laws and the rules of engagement, they even use White Phosphorus on innocent servilliant. Within palestine and within gaza since the establishment of the illegitimate regime. If we want to talk to what can countries do to support the right of palestinians and to diplomatically as well as to prevent the zianist regime from continuing its illegal, illegitimate military occupation of palestinian lands. I think the only way to do so is to send aid to palestinians is to support the palestinian humanistic given right of selfdefense. To support them vier military aid, via humanitarian aid and to support the palestinian world to resist the aggressor and to bring about their own liberation. Diplomatic means has failed and palestinians are rising by arms to bring about their liberation. Uh, what about the fact that were looking at whats happening on the ground . What are your views if we were to see this massacre continue, which by all um, what the facts are pointing. To is that israel through its Bombing Campaign that is still happening is continuing with this massacre uh also the fact that there are strong um possibility still um that it may move in with that um uh Ground Invasion that many are saying is imminence uh the us is there to assist israel in one form or another uh militarily speaking what are your thoughts on that and why do you think the us is uh unaabatedly supporting israel instead of trying to move towards diplomatic solution here, the way the United States is concerned, weve mentioned this before that the United States built itself or from the general side, the murder, the plunder and the looting of the land of the Indigenous People of the americas, um, the United States, like the zianist regime is built upon genocide, and they have continuously supported the genocide the illegitimate zinast regime. The United States is a global superpower, and this power which they have, they have not used for the benefit of mankind to assist in bolstering good relations among neighbors and to see the development of third world countries. Rather, the United Nations, i mean, the United States have used their influence, their power, their wealth to continue to rob, to loot, to steal, to invade and to occupy other people and other lands right across the world, the United Nations, the United States in its short history has the highest number of imperialist and genocide wars in the history the countries of the world, and so they have persisted and continue to assist and to aid the genocide of. The zionist regime. Now if we want to see what is the angle of the zionist regime that the latest operation operation flood alaqsa shown that Palestinian Resistance has reached an advanced level, there is superior usage of military precision, there is a superior discipline and there is high coordination between the resistance factions in palestine with the resistance axes of the world um led by the organic hot of the resistance which is the Islamic Republic of iran with this power, with this coordination and discipline, they completely shattered the inter illegitimate regime, they have followed through with an amazing operation to defeat the invensibility the illegitimate regime, and therefore the illegitimate regime today continues a operation of bombing hospitals, innocent people, to create one thing, to try to reestablish an image of invincibility, but that image is destroyed, and if the united if the israeli regime, the zinis regime, wants to proceed and follow through with a Ground Invasion into the haz strip and into further pockets of palestine, this will be met by huge resistance, the resistance is continuing, regardless of the loss of life, people are fed up with being occupied, with losing their lands, with being oppressed and being murdered that they. Are willing to sacrifice and to resist regardless of the consequences and palestinians are in that position today, it is our duty to support them in their world and their right of supplience. All right, one last question here, um, the fact that you have israel fighting so many fronts, regionally uh fronts have been opened up like with his bolah, but one thing thats not focused on or elaborated on at length is what its dealing from with thin when it comes to its own population, which at this point is not happy with this administration thats uh described to be extreme and even other words that have been used. Um, thats another challenge that israel is facing, not only that, its its its now has economy thats being decimated along with settlers who are armed that are being encouraged to go after palestinians. When you put all these factors together, do you see israel being able to handle uh . All these multiple challenges all at once, the zius regime currently is at the position that its never seen itself before, where Palestinian Resistance factions has shown its might and have defeated the Intelligence Networks and the military might which they have presented themselves to be, so thats challenge number one, challenge number two is that the samic republic of iran has emerged as a regional superpower and is emerging as a global superpower power, the Islamic Republic of iran as the organic heart of the Islamic Resistance access is an existential threat to the existence of the zianist regime. The leader, the Supreme Leader of the revolution, Imam Khamenei has number of years ago given the sign regime 25 years left on earth, at that clock is sticking, the time is running out, and i think that operation alaqsa storm has only reinforced. That sentiment of the lead of Islamic Resistance. Thank you very muchdin, coordinator of the zakzaki foundation, south africa. With that we come to an end for our coverage, we do ask you to stay with us, um, we will have uh International News coming up in just few minutes time, its byebye for now. هو يوم حزين نفقد فيه مزيد من الزملاء الصحفيين في هذه الحرب التي تشنها اسرائيل على غزه اليوم الاول فقدنا اثنين من الصحفيين واليوم نفقد الزميلين سعيد الطويل ومحمد صبح هذه خساره كبيره لجموع الصحفيين وهذه تؤكد ان الاحتلال الاسرائيلي لا يرغب في نقل صوره الحقيقه من غزه لا يريد ان يغطي هذه الصوره التي ينقلها الصحفيون الفلسطينيون. الحال حالنا كحال المواطنين هنا نحن نبكي ولكن نبكي على الخذلان وليس على ما يفعل الاحتلال الاحتلال نعرف ان هذا هو ديدنه وهذا هو فعله منذ عقود من الزمن ولكن نبكي على خذلان من حولنا قبل قليل ام هنا اتت وصراخت سرخت امام كل عدسات الاعلام تسال اين العرب اعتقد هذا سؤال تجاوزناه منذ اليوم الاول ولكن لازال لدينا امل هنا لازال لدينا امل في الشعوب العربيه في الشعوب الاسلاميه ان تحرك الانظمه. The headlines, genocide in gaza, hundreds and more palestinians are killed after the Israeli Military targets a hospital, the besieged gaza streb. The leader of irans islamic revolution, deplores israels genocide in gaza saying the regime should be put on trial over his crimes. Also in the headlines, people of many countries hold fresh rallys and solidarity with palestinians. Theyre calling for immediate end to the israeli onslot on gaza