Mean, katim, if we look at the situation, even hospitals have been bombed, and now uh, hospitals are told those that in northern gaza that they have to relocate, supplies are few hospitals overcrowded, people being treated on the floor, and filled with critical patience. I mean, what does that mean when the Israeli Regime tells the hospital staff to relocate to the south . Well, essentially. Its a threat because its saying that if you do not leave when we attack the hospital you will be hurt and lets be clear israel has formed it has bombed several hospitals during this Campaign Including a dura hospital which is a of Childrens Hospital supposed allegedly with White Phosphorus which of course is a prohibited weapon so we are talking about war crime upon war crime but we are seeing is that israel needs a symmetric warfare of striking from the air. It seems to fear the Ground Invasion which it has threatened for a long time and it seems to be trying to use the threat of the Ground Invasion as a bargaining chip with which it may be able to extract the prisoners of war who are in ghaza and lets remember that israel up till now since the 7th of october has killed around 20 26th 26 of the people that were taken captive. It has killed 26 israels in the air strikes on ghaza. Is this the application of the hannibal directives which we know exists within the Israeli Military . Time will of course tell, but you are seeing reports from those who were taken as captives, from within the green line, saying that others who were with them were killed, other hostages who were with them. Or prisoners of war were killed by the israeli forces, so what does that do even our perception of what is the death toll . Israel claims to have the bodies of 1,500 palestinian fighters from the uh resistance factions within the green line. Do we know the conditions within which they were killed . Of course aljazera has uh produced a investigation which found uh some palestinians within the green line being killed um uh who were unarmed um and had their hands up, of course theres been other um investigations that have found similar evidence, so the question is is is is open, you know, there are likely to be many palestinians stuck under the rubble now as we speak, so even our perception of the death toll is massively skewed, i would argue. Uh, shabir, when, while all eyes have been on gaza, palestinians and the west bank have been going through their own hell, aggressive and increased israeli patrols and raids are in place, theres a lockdown on palestinian areas with over 50 palestinians having been killed and 500, over 500 arrested since the increase aggression began. Your take, where where do you think the situation is going on the west bank . Yeah, i think the Occupation Forces are definitely increasing their hostilities towards towards the palestinians in those areas and actually if you look at some of the videos of of the palestinian. Is being martered there uh you see its actually settler accompanied violence, i believe there was a video that came out of settler with a gun who shoots uh a palestinian man thats missing an arm already point blank and hes accompanied by uh Occupation Forces so i think this is a time where were also going to see lot of settler violence in the area, the settlers are more than likely take this advantage, take this time to take advantage of the situation and harass palestinians assault that more brutally uh fight. Them uh do what they have been doing, but now with more further Occupation Forces, protection to allow them to get away with these horrific crimes, i think we also can expect from the west. Bank is its own form of resistance as weve been seeing uh, not only in the form of uh civil resistance, as weve seen a lot of street protest, but resistance fighters also taking action against the Occupation Forces, heroically combatting them in the streets, heroically taking shots at them wherever they can, accompany with of course uh in between all these x um protes that we see, i believe we saw protest at rubber law for example uh among other acts of disobedience uh because people are not going to sit around and just allow israel to get away with ethnic cleansing, theyre not going to tolerate uh an entire population being genocided before their eyes. Well, candy, weve been seeing uh more aggression by the israelis towards southern lebanon, also and hezbollah has responded today by hitting five israeli bases in the occupied territories. Do you think that this war is expanding . Without doubt, the war has expanded not just regionally but internationally with the british sending a spy plane which they operate themselves over the top of occupied palestine, also the us sending several warships essentially as a warning to any people of conscience in the world who would hope to come to the aid of the palestinians, but essentially all of that is attempt to delay the inevitable, as as i was saying about the invasion or the the potentially imminent. Invasion of gazza. The Israeli Military traditionally only has about 160,000 personnel within it. It has now claim to have called up 200,0 people um from the reserve military. That means theyve taken 200,000 people out of the traditional economy. That as well as the disabling of bengorian airport will have Major Economic ramifications and that can be seen on the israeli. Stock market, but in terms of the push uh with lebanon, israel is now claiming that it can fight this war on two fronts, since the beginning it has bombed syria, it has bombed lebanon and it has bombed of course gazza, and as was said you have seen around 50 people in the west bank be killed too, but what israel knows is that in lebanon there is a far more experienced and essentially wellarmed fighting force. That israel fears, so can israel really deal with um the exertion of force it will take in the west bank as well as a ground occupation of ghaza as well as um major moves from the south of lebanon and the north of palestine, would israel be able to withstand that, economically speaking, would it be able to convince uh the settler population that what it was doing was somehow justifiable, im not sure, you would certainly see the society fall into chaos very swiftly. Well shabir, irans foreign minister has said that iran cannot remain a bystander while israel is committing massacres against the palestinians. What do you think that this could mean and and are we likely to see uh wider scenario in dealing with this war . Yeah, iran has lot of options on. Table right now for when it says uh it will not stand eitherly by uh few of those would be you know us military bases that are located across iraq across syria across the region really so if we want to talk targets uh the United States has set itself up to be easy target throughout all of these regions so that could be one possibility of uh iran getting involved another would be um arming up its forces um pushing them in the. War uh not necessarily its uh like you know its army but of course sepal or the irgc would more than happily be able to you know back up its forces in syria for example um and then of course not just iran but theres other uh you know people from the axis of the resistance ready to fight too of course we have in yemen on pledged um their full support to the palestinian cause uh waiting uh and you know letting people know that they are ready to strike back the israeli entity, of course we have in the north, hezbollah who we know the the iran foreign minister has met with uh just few hours ago um who are also as you said ready to fight back against the israeli entity so i think we could see a whole Regional Access uh fight israel within within possibly hours to the next few days even well you mentioned about what the us and the uk uh basically are doing and continuing trying to help uh this regime against uh humanity basically. I mean, lets look at this this uh perspective, whats going on. And this total uh lack of any kind of humanity and openly showing it, um, but at the same time we also see movements, major movements inside of the uk and inside of the us by the people um actually demanding a change from their governments and also demanding that israel stops this genocide, so i want to look at both sides of that. Well, essentially what you have seen over the past few decades is the complete. Integration of the military and security states of britain, the United States and israel, this is essentially a trilateral force which is able to project its power into these societies, and really britain has shown just how deeply integrated it is with the Israeli Military establishment, even in comparison to Something Like 10 years ago or 15 years ago, its far more deeply um integrated with israel and so therefore you are seeing the attempt to crack down on peoples ability to stand with the palestinians in this society. You are seeing the targeting of those who are prominent in their support for the palestinians. You are seeing attempts to really have even waving the palestinian flag be open to interpretation as possibly a criminal offense by this particular government that we have. Here now you have hundreds of thousands of people at least within British Society who feel a deeply emotional affinity with the Palestinian People and of course thats a drop in the ocean when compared to the rest the world you know the majority of states in the world came about through a process of decolonization they are former colonial states they the formerly colonized states they relate to the palestinians as as seeing themselves as postcolonial subjects, they see um themselves in the palestinians, they have this deep affinity with them, and of course britain as a country that occupied 14,7 uh million square miles of the planet, it has people from all around the world in it, particularly in the capital and other big cities, and these are people who will not let go of palestine, they are they are people that in this country who would be willing ultimately to face legal um sanction by the government for standing with palestine, it wouldnt be the first time, it has happened before and people would be willing to do it, you also see inspiring movements in this country shutting down israeli arms factories, so while the political system and the military and intelligence establishment goes one way, i would say that members of the public generally are going the other way, zionism as a top heavy movement is rarely successful at winning hearts and minds and this uh campaign has been another example of that failure. Well shabir um do you think the equation in palestine has changed forever since october 7, because before that of course the zionist regime always tried to portray itself as invincible and also had very good control. Um over uh pr if you want to call it that, but theyre really beginning to lose that front also, mean your take on that, has it changed forever . I think without a doubt its been changed forever, the bloody knows that the zionist regime has been dealt uh a uh since last week, it it cant be clean, as you see with the ongoing operation led by all factions of the Palestinian Resistance uh israel having a hard time containing this, um, theyre resorting even thinking about a grand war in gaza, which if you asked them a month ago, they would have never even thought was was on the table, really. As far as pr goes, we do see, at least across the west, the unified effort of state, of heads of state, of media, of influencers and celebrities coming out in unison trying to do pr essentially for the zionist regime, but as you can see, with the millions of people across the world, merging under the streets and for example just here in chicago we had 10,000 people uh show up yesterday for a palestine rally, another 1000 on wednesday and 15,00 people exactly seven days ago. No matter what unified effort is being made to clean up uh for for the zionist uh crimes of of war and ethnic cleansing, the people stand with palestine easily, the without a doubt um these narratives are being openly challenged um and its gone as far as as you know state accounts of israel using ai generated images um to try to convince the people that you know theyre the victim of this when in reality uh the Palestinian People have been under attack uh since by the zinest regime since 1948 and even beyond that with british colonialism. All right, and on that note, thank you both for being with me. Karim dennis, the look, activist, rapper and host of the watchdog podcast out of london, shabir risv political commentator out of chicago. And as always we appreciate you being with us on another spotlight. Im marsia hashimi, signing out for myself and other group right here in tehran. See you next time. اللي مالهوش اللي مالوش يكون. To occupy palestine, to expel palestinians from their homes and to kill them at will. They needed an excuse. So they call the land their own homeland overnight, ushering in a dark chapter in the history of the world, but shall the owners of the land return home . The civilian dead tol from the continued israely attacks on gaza keeps rising emit a deepening humanitarian crisis in the besige territory. Lebani