Welcome to Prime Time we can. I am nicolle wallace. It is up to us to remember what camilas mother told her. Dont just sit around and complain, do something. If they lie about her and they will, we have to do something. If we see a bad pole, we have to put down the phone and do something. If we feel tired and feel that dread, we have to pick ourselves up, throw water on our face and what . It is 5 00 in New York. Answering that powerful message. Barack obama will indeed do something as he takes his Star Power to the Campaign Trail Campaigning for Kamala Harris. The event next thursday will be his first foray into the election as a Battleground State super sarah get. According to an official, it will launch a larger effort as he ramps up campaigning for harris in the final stretch of the season. It is marking a full Circle Moment here Kamala Harris was an early supporter of the campaign. She knocked on doors for him. The former president s work on behalf of harris raised 76 Million from fundraising content. Having the heavy hitter out on the trail will bring Excitement And Energy to a new level. He is also endorsing democrats and important down ballot races. Earlier he released an ad for Alyssas Lock and running for senate in a crucial swing state. I want to talk with you about Alyssas Lock in. She is a true Public Servant that dedicated her career to serving american people. No matter who was in the White House. I saw that Leadership And Character of close. In the situation room, she delivered national security briefings on some of the toughest issues. That is center to negotiate on my behalf because she understood when to compromise and wind when to stand firm. That is why i nominated her to be an Assistant Secretary of defense. She is the kind of leader we need. Tough, independent and effective. She will get the job done. There just 32 days left until election day. The race will determine the policies but also answer a fundamental question. A question about what would become and do we remain a democracy or not . These efforts by the former president could prove highly consequential. We can only assume he will deliver some of those same messages of Hope And Enthusiasm with a side of humor. Here is a 78yearold Billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems since he rode down the golden escalator nine years ago. It has been a constant stream of grapes and grievances that has been getting worse now that he is afraid to lose to Kamala Harris. There the childish nicknames, the crazy Conspiracy Theories and a weird obsession with crowd size. It goes On AndOn And on. We know what he did. No one does it better. The Washington Bureau Chief and white House Correspondent is back at the table. Strategist and professor at Columbia University is back and also joining us the host of is here. This is the point in the campaign, i had talked with a couple of Folks Today where everything is possible in either direction. It is possible to have the Energy Or Sort of a surprise. And to have the coordinated messaging from President Obama and Michelle Obama. And to have the stakes of the election elevated by Liz Cheney. It is not choosing between democratic policies and republican policies it is choosing whether or not we remain a democracy. You have to run the table and do all of these things. The president and Michelle Obama are central to that. There is excitement. There is also relief. Republicans do not have that. Is it lindsey Graham Or MitchMcconnell Or Matt gaetz . They dont have it. They have probably the greatest politician of our lifetime. Someone who bridges a lot of bridges. He cuts across and does it with Charm And Honesty and integrity and likability. I cant wait to see him with her. We saw him at the convention but not together. The energy is going to be magical. It is down to the stretch. You talk with trump people and they are nervous and harris people are nervous. It is anybodys game. Everyone is nervous because it is really close. It is a margin of error election. The idea, President Obama and Michelle Obama, i have to say privately. We have been nervously waiting for them. He is the most talented politician in the country. Im just trying to it is full stop. He also has a Track Record on the campaign trail. His final speech was sunday night. It was a speech for the ages. He is someone who keeps getting better and is as good a letter on behalf of other candidates than he was for himself. With Barack Obama, he has the ability to reset the national conversation. We have seen him do that time and again. Even back to his race, when he is attacked he says i will take it now lets talk about this. He has an incredible ability to do that. For a second we will talk about Michelle Obama. That part of the convention she made a point with respect to every are. I see that even i may feed, anticamila suite by African Americans which is concerning. I am starting to see that more. If i am seeing there is a lot seeping in. At this moment, ignore it. Her point was if you dont get that Phone Call or if the campaign may not knock on your door and understand she is doing something in that short time that most people have two years to do. She is building a campaign in an operation with money and volunteers that will get out the vote. It is also a reassurance. The standard error of the party is out there with you. One of the most gifted of the day or gifted politicians of the day is trying to unite the country in the ways that he did many years ago. Even if there is a moment where voters with respect to Trump May Have , they dont have the ability to remind people of the past in the Way Barack and Michelle Obama did. Trump, no one triggers him the way President Obama does. Trump rises to the particular crevices of the far right. It is not a simple seared relationship. Obama triggers trump in a way that is almost unknowable. Everything seems okay. With trump we know there is chaos. Camila is an unknown. He comes on. There is a really fat are. You just trust him. You think everything will be okay. I really think that he is going to be profound. It is the energy in the kickstart. With all that he brings, could be magical. He doesnt lowe you, he and michelle tell you what to do if you want things to be okay and if you view that is continuing the experiments. His smile is electric and confidence assuring. One of the reasons people gravitate is because of the realness and authenticity. Barack and Michelle Obama have been every person. They have been poor and struggled in middle class to upper class. They are every person. People understand them. For Barack Obama to get him toward the last 32 days is the best thing he can do. It is like reading a book. You remember the first and last. He often offers the punch that No One Else has given. He finds those little areas and spaces and filth them. He is one of the greatest of our time but Michelle Obama may have taken that at the dnc. He is still one of the greatest of our time. He is a beloved president. His numbers are in the top 10 according to historians. This will help her. Particularly in states like michigan with black populations like in dearborn. It will help in philadelphia and places were pennsylvania more so. In the suburbs of philadelphia. I believe Barack Obama and whatever charisma he has will be dynamic. I believe it will be tight but i think it will help her in a lot of ways. If there is one lesson, it is this. It is always and was always so much worse than any of us on the outside ever understood. The sheer volume of incriminating material contained in the pages of the latest filing. Painting that most depraved picture yet. Than making things up to cling to power. 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Switch to comcast Busines Internet and mobile and find out how to get the latest 5g Phone on us with a qualifying tradein. Dont wait call, click or visit an xfinity store today. Why did you come here . B President Trump told us that we have something big to look forward to. I believed that Vice President pants was going to certify the electoral votes were not certified them. That has changed. It is a big disappointment. There are several hundred thousand people here that are very disappointed. I still believe President Trump has something else left. It is still haunting. We now know thanks to Jack Smith that this is exactly what Donald Trump was watching when he hit send on that tweet, attacking Mike Pence and fueling the deadly insurrection. According to the filing, he was enraptured by supporter storming the capitol. He was watching it on loop. The defendant sat in the Dining Room by the Oval Office where he used his phone to review twitter and watch the television which was turned On And displaying News Coverage of the riot at the capitol. In the details how desperate he was to cling to power with a staffer at one point hearing him tell a family member, it doesnt matter if you won or lost, you still have to fight like. It has been 24 hours and the casey put together jumps off the page as devastating. A few things. The comment from the former president that it is Election Interference is worth remembering. The reason the brief was filed is because Donald Trump prevailed in the Supreme Court and the court told the District Judge, you have to hear from the parties, look at the facts and look at the context of all of the evidence and decide what is official and immune and what is unofficial as a candidate and can go to trial. The brief is because Donald Trump appealed, wOn And now the District Judge is doing exactly what the Supreme Court said. He has always been a terrible winter. To be fair points out he is a terrible loser. In that the amount of proof and the difference between this brief and January 6 hearings is the amount of direct proof with people in the room with him up to and including Mike Pence is voluminous, even when you take out all of the Department Of Justice evidence. Things that the Supreme Court said could not be considered. There is so much proof here of someone that knew he lost who said two people, i dont care that i lost, i am still going to go forward. Then with respect to the clip you just played, threatened Mike Pence in terms of thing if you continue with your view that you are not going to help me, i am going to essentially sick the mob on you. The response has been widely reported when he is told that is exactly what happened he said so what. The picture of Donald Trump as such a deep the flawed human and that is willing to do all of this including to his own Vice President , is something that is very hard, even as a psychological matter to understand the makeup of that. That you would turn to your Vice President who is saying i cant do this because the constitution doesnt allow it and he would turn to that persOn And say im going to threaten you and when you actually are threatened, i am not going to do anything. For someone that has been loyal that long. Tell me how much you learned from Mike Pences testimony. It feels like that is the big bucket of new content. Even in that there are clearly notes in meetings. Meetings that staffers people like mr. Short and jacobs were in and we saw some of that come to life but there are a lot of oneon one meetings if you add that to the timeline, really deepen our understanding of the pressure campaign. First it is in terms of cooperation. It is not just Mike Pence. You have his notes that are referenced. There are people around him to say, he reached out to all sorts of people. We know for instance that after Donald Trump threatened him, his people reported that the secret service. They understood very well what would happen and they were right. One of the things i found that knowledge of the possibility of the likelihood of violence . Absolutely. They understood that is what was going to happen because of what Donald Trump did in Donald Trump understood that is why he was threatening. He wanted to use it. This was his last gasp. All of this for power that he was not entitled to. This goes back to a discussion you are having which is you read this submissiOn And it is impossible to think that we have a true Existential Crisis in this country. The idea that this is somebody who is doing so well running for office when you sit and think how can people not read this Unit U to really call them out. Whether it is newspapers. You cover it fairly well. Newspapers and politicians and corporations that are trying to hedged bets and giving money to both sides. Are you willing to say are you reading what it is . I want to drill down on how much new evidence we have about the willingness to make things up. There are kids and families in springfield, ohio living under the burden of that. There is a brand new body of reporting on the New York times on how he wants to politicize doj. This filing makes it clear that he will make things up about anything. I need to sneak in a quick break. We will be right back. Be right. Your best defense against erosiOn And cavities is strong enamel. Nothing beats it. I recommend pronamel active shield because it actively shields the enamel to defend against erosiOn And cavities. I think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients. Try pronamel mouthwash. From this new filing, when person nine reiterated that they would be unable to prove the allegations, the defendant was on the details dont matter. When a Voting Machine Company was able to prove the falsity, they got almost 1 billion. This is the state when you are lying, it affects an actual person or company. That is why you have aspect. Dominion being able to recover bringing that defamation case. When it comes to politics the courts are like well, The Public Marketplace will take care of. It is a huge anomaly. To the point, i was looking to, one of the things that Jack Smith recites, it cannot be this you did. It is in black and white. And talking about litigation may count the Number Cat changing. One date is 130,000 in the next day 30,000. They just make it all up. It keeps changing Day By day. It is not true. One person reports it is not. It still goes in. The Control Room was that you didnt just let it fly. This idea of brazenness is something the courts are reckoning with. It is something to vote a has made peace with and something tim Nice Snyder explained. In russia they know they are being lied to. It is just part of the puzzle. It is amazing that has been imported here. You see it in christian nationalism too. The end justifies the means. Trump is an angel and all politicians are corrupt. He is our corrupt guy. The question is whether institutions including, journalists, know how to properly handle that while continuing to do our jobs ethically. One of the questions i had is how you think this Supreme Court may look at this filing. Do you think it shifts any views . We were talking about unfair. The Supreme Court was actually 54. Amy Coney Barrett and her concurrence said she was not on board with the idea that the state Election Interference is a hard issue. She said there can be hard issues like separating what the president is doing. This allegation, not hard. That is 54. The issue is for roberts, cavanagh or both will say this sets forth enough information that is in fact as a candidate. It is such a strong brief but i think they will. On the other hand, i didnt think the Community Decision would come out the way it did. Start coming up, a plea from deep inside a family. The daughter of Rudy Giuliani who writes, trump took my dad, please dont let him take our country too. We do not like what has happened. You end up in a weird fight that is unnecessary. People only laugh if they are not in those fights. With your Father Or Uncle or cousin. What if your father is someone like Rudy Giuliani. That is the painful situation. Our next guest finds herself in that. To the world, Rudy Giuliani is among other things, Donald Trumps former attorney who according To Jackson is filing, he knew giuliani was willing to falsely claim Victory And Spread knowingly false claims of fraud. He is also her dad. Her dad that she feels she lost to Donald Trump. Caroline writes this, watching my Dads Life crumble since he joined forces with Donald Trump has been extraordinarily painful. Both on a personal level and because his demise feels linked to a dark force that threatens to consume america. Take it from me, trump destroys everything he touches. I saw it happen to my family. Dont let it happen to yours or to our country. Kamala harris will guide us into a brighter future but only if we unite behind her. Joining us now is caroline giuliani. What is this like to be telling the truth about loving your father but also using your platform to endorse Kamala Harris . It was challenging to figure out how to express these feelings. Figuring out if i have the strength to share them. Ive been watching in disbelief. It is horror at the idea of a 30 fourtime convicted felon that refused to participate in the peaceful transfer of power. That disbelief also paralyzed me. I think there came a moment where i was thinking about future children and i saw these two paths, 100 Donald Trump which was full of Destruction And Cruelty and one under Kamala Harris in which women can have a ptolemy over their bodies again in which our government recognizes that Climate Change is real and is doing something about it. A government who respectspeople and trans people and people of color and women and people with disabilities and doesnt treat them like secondclass citizens. Also a government that remains a democracy. That will not happen if we elect trump again. It is really important to remember that this is about so much more than four years. The type of damage he will inflict the second time around, may not be reversible. I dont think it is something we can just fix. He will change the fabric of the institutions and that is something we may not be able to come back from. How does he get people like your dad help him do this . I cant speak to what is in other Peoples Mind or why they make the decisions. I think power is very alluring. The more important question, why he caused such division among so many families. You were just talking about above were. This is so relatable having this in the family. The reason, he spews this toxic cruelty. If you are a person of Color Or Person or a Trans Person in someone you love supports a man like that, it is hard to reconcile that support. I want healing and i want us to find that common humanity. Even when we disagree about politics. If trump becomes president again, it will not be possible. Kamala harris is the only path to healing. She presents a beautiful path to healing. You said something so profound. One of the ways that trump has turned up the toxicity is to divide families along these faultlines. Where the things he may hold most dear and precious, your own family are safe are threatened by someone that you love to pieces, supporting the person that threatens you. What do you think trumps the lower or maybe it is the power, what you think it is that makes smart and accomplished men like your dad Shoes Trump over people and issues they love . The first thing he said to you someone with 34 felonies. Your father is known as a prosecutor and the Law And Order guy. He is all in with someone who is supposed to what the brand used to be. It is a hard phenomenon to understand. I view trump as a disease. It is important to remember that with every disease, prevention is a more effective strategy than treatment. I fear that if we elect trump again, i thought we had cured ourselves the first time. It doesnt seem like we have. If he becomes president again, we may have a terminal illness in the country and that scares me. I want to do two things. 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There on mistake double reminders of the Distractive Trail and it has broken my heart to watch my dad become one of them. Not to disregard accountability but it would be naove to ignore the fact that many of those closest to trump descended into catastrophic spirals. If we let him back into the drivers seat, the country will be nolex epson. What do you think that will lead people to think they will be different. Jim, had been fired and left out. He shared some of your dads skill set. What you think makes people think when it comes to trump you will be treated differently. The important thing, i dont know if they think about that. The important thing is to remember that trump is the only one that even needed accountability for actions and the only way to hold him accountable is to make sure he doesnt become president again. If he becomes the president , he will never face consequences for the actions. In fact he will have more leeway to break laws than an average citizen which is absolutely crazy. If you look at a man like that who is exactly who you would cast his Addict Tater and a movie and you think about him with unchecked power and you are okay with that hemic . You have to reconsider your line of thought. What is your current relationship with your dad . How often do you talk with him and how is he doing . I love my dad very much. That is something that made this hard. I spoke out for biden and it was a different landscape. This was much more painful. I love my dad. We talk openly about feelings about things. It is the challenge. So many other families have the same challenge. You said it was unique, it isnt unique. It is a bit larger than life in public that it is not unique. I want us to be able to disagree about politics. That is so important. I dont believe we have a path to doing that under trump. Kamala harris is the only person that can restore our ability to disagree peacefully. What you think or how do you separate the things your dad did in service to Donald Trump and the lives that were shattered . Reporter watching Ruby Freeman and share stories with Gut Wrenching and difficult. Nching and difficult. I feel so bad for everything. That is why i am so excited to support Kamala Harris who spent her Life Fighting for the citizens and not against them. She would never do anything like this. It is so clear that trump does not care. He is willing to step on anyones back to keep power. That is not a person that deserves the highest office. This essential to the first part of the hour. This moment being so extraordinary. Carolina speaking out, not just about trump but about her support for Kamala Harris. Because of what it has done. Not just to her family. It is almost universal. The division. I was a big credit of Rudy Giuliani. Who could want to see a guy that whether you agree or not, end up in this situation. The reason i would give her credit, Liz Cheney showed a lot of courage. Her father said, she is going against her father and doing public statements. Saying i am not only disagreeing in terms of trump, i will support Kamala Harris. She should be given credit for that. I am looking at her Talk And Hope i never put my daughters in that position. It is almost too painful to process in the context of the campaign. It is imperative that we do that. Imperative that we open up this part of our mind and our hearts to the carnage that has come about. It is a cultural conversation. It is something unique and criminal about Donald Trump. We see a lot of people fall out of political loyalty. It is almost blind loyalty. Lindsey graham is the example of someone we never wouldve thought would stick with Donald Trump. He does it because they are on the same train team. I agree with the remarks and most people share that heartbreak. The one thing i am always intrigued about is did Rudy Giuliani really go as far as he did because he exposed himself to risk as an ally of Donald Trump . We know what he did in ukraine trying to topple the ambassador and the fact that he tried to instigate the investigation. We know what he did with the election. At some point every kid understands, once you are in trouble, you could say im sorry or keep going further down that road. It seems people closest to trump got so far down the road and expose themselves criminally in some cases. Then there was no going back. Is that too far of a read he might as i said, i think everybody needs to be accountable for actions. I am not here to litigate. Im not here to say i believe Kamala Harris will be a Role Model to my future children. When i look at her talk and when i look at trump talk, even if you take the politics out i ask myself, who do i want my children to learn from . There is no question, Kamala Harris is the only choice. If you were asked to campaign for her or have you . The campaign reached out to thank me. If you were asked to campaign and make this case publicly is It Something you would do with a name that means something to republicans . I am already doing it. I think so too. We have so little time and this is so important. It is not just about four years it is about the rest of our lives. Let me give you the last word. There is a universality to families that are split. A lot of has disinformation. What do you think heals the addictiOn And rapid dissemination from trump allies in Social Media . I think a lot of people hope it will start with the election of joe biden. A lot of ways the patient is just as sick. It does start with listening. That is something i have continued to try to do. I think that Kamala Harris has shown look at the republicans that have come behind. She has shown she can be nonpartisan. 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